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[BirKibrisli]

While it might be admirable to see t_c take a lot of pride in his ancestry,we also have to admit that too much "pride" ends up playing into the hands of the Nationalists and becomes emotionally divisive,and hence an obstacle on the road to solution...Let's all stop responding automatically to each other,give the "transcendent instinct" a chance to work...Perhaps we can then see it is the fact that we are concentrating so much on the past,and on our differences which are the essential problems...Cyprus problem will never be solved(justly and permanently anyway) unless we all remove the walls in our heads and our hearts blocking out the "other' side...If we can start acknowledging that nationalism and xenophobia have been used to divide us , different types of apples,and called one of us "apples" and the other "oranges"...take a good look at ourselves and accept that we are really all apples (albeit differnt types) we might reverse this terribly selfdestructive vicious circle of mutual blame and suspicion...We might then be able to find the suitable light and soil conditions,and the right temperature and moisture needs to thrive as resilient Cypriot apples...Otherwise we are headed for extinction as a species at the worst,and becoming sick and fruitless apples and oranges at best...

[miltiades]

Despite this islands past some people are convinced that this island and Cypriotism still belongs to Greeks!

WRONG!!!!

Cypriotism and the Cyprus we have today is anything but Greek.

No Turkish Cypriot should let ANY GC make them feel unwelcome or feel like a mere visitor who has overstayed their visit because we've put a lot into this island!

Cyprus and Cypriots wouldn't be who they are today had it not been for the Turkish Cypriots despite what some people are brainwashed into thinking.

1) Most of the Cypriot dances (apart from Syrto and a few others) ie: Karşılama, Zeybek, Ciftetelli, Kozan, Orak, Kartal and Topal dances = Turkish!

2) ALOT of Cypriot music is of Turkish decent some of the best ones are written by RAIF DENKTASH, Raufs son (some of which are now classed as ''Greek'' with Greek lyrics!)

Halloumi = Cheese that the Ottomans brought, which wasnt even Turkish, let alone ''Greek'' (Arab cheese called Hallum) and which strangely enough is now considered the ''indigenous Greek Cypriot cheese'' Please!

The cheese we brought happens to be ''indigenous'' but the people who brought it are still ''visitors'' who belong elsewhere.

Republic of Cyprus' flag = Turkish Cypriot!

Alot of what is considered TODAY as the Cypriot identity, culture and traditions comes from US!

People like Piratis should stick to their 100 gods, Zeuss and Affrodyke and stop hijacking the culture WE have contributed greatly to and stop calling it their own...it doesn't belong solely to them and some of these things had nothing to do with them till WE brought it here yet most of these things are now classed as ''Greek'' and they've even gone as far as copyrighting almost EVERYTHING we've put in!

There is no getting away from the Turkish factor in Cyprus yet people are totally oblivious and would never know because everything is now classed as ''Greek'' including being a Cypriot. When I tell people I'm Cypriot they think I'm Greek!

Cypriots and Cypriotism of THE PAST was VERY Greek, Cypriots and the Cypriotism of TODAY is VERY Turkish influenced and ofcourse it is! The Turkish influence in Cyprus is much more recent and prominent than the Hellenists of the past but people are too ignorant to see it.

Piratis is now trying to tell me I'm destroying everything Greek when hes left almost NOTHING to the credit of the people who helped shape Cypriotism into what it is today. They've hijacked EVERYTHING and claimed it as theirs from food, music to the constitution AND the country!

Its people like this who force me and A LOT of TCs into wanting partition. If they want Cyprus to be Greek then they should first DROP everything that Turks brought and then come tell us about Cyprus being Greek...

Some of them even snub us and class us as nothing more than 'pheasants'...What exactly is a Cypriot anyways, do they know themselves? The true Cypriots WERE pheasants! Some people even seem to forget where they came from...

I'm not really that bitter about the things I mentioned but I dont want to share the same fate and be assimilated into Greekness like everything else.

I WANT to live with GCs so badly but when I hear people like Piratis I'm happy and thankfull to be where I am. I will compromise as much as I could to get any sort of split NOT to Turkify Cyprus but to live happily knowing I wont be assimilated into a Greek state with the kind of brainwashed Greek mentality that has brought my people misery after misery!

A LOT of Greeks will never accept or like Turks NOT EVEN if Turkey was to up and leave and its ok for GCs to tell me I'm wrong even if they have the best intentions but not everyone is like them and for me its just not worth taking the risk specially knowing our past.

In my opinion the Greeks lost a lot to the Turks, tried to get their hands on anything to expand their borders, the 13th island they tried to annex just happened to be Cyprus. First Britain used their D&C tactics then the Greeks completely poisoned GCs against TCs. Turkey saw the perfect chance, first fucked you over and then us! I have no doubts Turkey is here for her own reasons either, someone just last week in the TA told me that Cyprus is Turkeys ''never sinking'' warship...

Unfortunately TCs wont forget what happened to them during 63-74 and GCs will never remember so there is not much hope of a proper unification. Its all swept under the carpet and called an ''excuse'' anyways

I'm angry when GCs try to tell me that we're commiting treason when they're no different and act in the same way without a care in the world because theyre the majority!!! Everything we've put in has been forgotten and classed as Greek while we're classed as the Ottomans who destroyed Cyprus, we ended up being used by everyone from Greeks, Greek Cypriots, British and Turkey.

Well sorry but after everything we deserve peace, to be happy and some UNDERSTANDING...if you cant understand why we're bitter against Greeks and why we want to administer ourselves to begin with then I'd rather live in a Turkish province even if it means becoming a Turk in the future than become a Greek or the equivilent of a ''Paki'' in the eyes of a Brit (which we already are to most Greeks).

I'm taking a break from the forum anyways....I cant take it anymore

I posted this in another thread earlier but it is I beleive relevant here too.

""We need to prove to all Cypriots that Cyprus is independent and that it is the nation that IS recognised universally as the legitimate entity with part of it under the occupation of Turkey. Are we doing enough ?? No we are not . We march ahead continuously playing the same old "Greek " tune , ignoring totaly the fact that there are T/Cs who also consider this to be their homeland and they MIGHT just object to the continual projection of Cyprus as another Greek island. I'm a G/C but have stated many many times that I'm not a Greek, I'm a Cypriot first and foremost and since there are plenty T/Cs and G/Cs who feel the same way there is a glimmer of hope that we may at the end prevail before the Cypriot identity is buried for ever . There are people on this forum that I have never met and yet feel so close to them because of their commitment to one Cyprus with all its people as equal Cypriots in a democratic environment that is just and fair to all as demanded by the democratic principles applied in all nations. The message our RoC government should be sending to our compatriots is that our nation is your nation , our laws are your laws , our flag is your flag AND WE SHALL DO THE UTMOST TO GET RID OF THE GREEK NATIONA ANTHEM AND REPLACE IT WITH ONE REPRESSENTATIVE OF THE CYPRIOT PEOPLE.Then we can all stand to attention and show solidarity to our nation .
LONG LIVE CYPRUS .

[Kifeas]

Despite this islands past some people are convinced that this island and Cypriotism still belongs to Greeks!

WRONG!!!!

Cypriotism and the Cyprus we have today is anything but Greek.

No Turkish Cypriot should let ANY GC make them feel unwelcome or feel like a mere visitor who has overstayed their visit because we've put a lot into this island!

Cyprus and Cypriots wouldn't be who they are today had it not been for the Turkish Cypriots despite what some people are brainwashed into thinking.

1) Most of the Cypriot dances (apart from Syrto and a few others) ie: Karşılama, Zeybek, Ciftetelli, Kozan, Orak, Kartal and Topal dances = Turkish!

2) ALOT of Cypriot music is of Turkish decent some of the best ones are written by RAIF DENKTASH, Raufs son (some of which are now classed as ''Greek'' with Greek lyrics!)

Halloumi = Cheese that the Ottomans brought, which wasnt even Turkish, let alone ''Greek'' (Arab cheese called Hallum) and which strangely enough is now considered the ''indigenous Greek Cypriot cheese'' Please!

The cheese we brought happens to be ''indigenous'' but the people who brought it are still ''visitors'' who belong elsewhere.

Republic of Cyprus' flag = Turkish Cypriot!

Alot of what is considered TODAY as the Cypriot identity, culture and traditions comes from US!

People like Piratis should stick to their 100 gods, Zeuss and Affrodyke and stop hijacking the culture WE have contributed greatly to and stop calling it their own...it doesn't belong solely to them and some of these things had nothing to do with them till WE brought it here yet most of these things are now classed as ''Greek'' and they've even gone as far as copyrighting almost EVERYTHING we've put in!

There is no getting away from the Turkish factor in Cyprus yet people are totally oblivious and would never know because everything is now classed as ''Greek'' including being a Cypriot. When I tell people I'm Cypriot they think I'm Greek!

Cypriots and Cypriotism of THE PAST was VERY Greek, Cypriots and the Cypriotism of TODAY is VERY Turkish influenced and ofcourse it is! The Turkish influence in Cyprus is much more recent and prominent than the Hellenists of the past but people are too ignorant to see it.

Piratis is now trying to tell me I'm destroying everything Greek when hes left almost NOTHING to the credit of the people who helped shape Cypriotism into what it is today. They've hijacked EVERYTHING and claimed it as theirs from food, music to the constitution AND the country!

Its people like this who force me and A LOT of TCs into wanting partition. If they want Cyprus to be Greek then they should first DROP everything that Turks brought and then come tell us about Cyprus being Greek...

Some of them even snub us and class us as nothing more than 'pheasants'...What exactly is a Cypriot anyways, do they know themselves? The true Cypriots WERE pheasants! Some people even seem to forget where they came from...

I'm not really that bitter about the things I mentioned but I dont want to share the same fate and be assimilated into Greekness like everything else.

I WANT to live with GCs so badly but when I hear people like Piratis I'm happy and thankfull to be where I am. I will compromise as much as I could to get any sort of split NOT to Turkify Cyprus but to live happily knowing I wont be assimilated into a Greek state with the kind of brainwashed Greek mentality that has brought my people misery after misery!

A LOT of Greeks will never accept or like Turks NOT EVEN if Turkey was to up and leave and its ok for GCs to tell me I'm wrong even if they have the best intentions but not everyone is like them and for me its just not worth taking the risk specially knowing our past.

In my opinion the Greeks lost a lot to the Turks, tried to get their hands on anything to expand their borders, the 13th island they tried to annex just happened to be Cyprus. First Britain used their D&C tactics then the Greeks completely poisoned GCs against TCs. Turkey saw the perfect chance, first fucked you over and then us! I have no doubts Turkey is here for her own reasons either, someone just last week in the TA told me that Cyprus is Turkeys ''never sinking'' warship...

Unfortunately TCs wont forget what happened to them during 63-74 and GCs will never remember so there is not much hope of a proper unification. Its all swept under the carpet and called an ''excuse'' anyways

I'm angry when GCs try to tell me that we're commiting treason when they're no different and act in the same way without a care in the world because theyre the majority!!! Everything we've put in has been forgotten and classed as Greek while we're classed as the Ottomans who destroyed Cyprus, we ended up being used by everyone from Greeks, Greek Cypriots, British and Turkey.

Well sorry but after everything we deserve peace, to be happy and some UNDERSTANDING...if you cant understand why we're bitter against Greeks and why we want to administer ourselves to begin with then I'd rather live in a Turkish province even if it means becoming a Turk in the future than become a Greek or the equivilent of a ''Paki'' in the eyes of a Brit (which we already are to most Greeks).

I'm taking a break from the forum anyways....I cant take it anymore

T_C, the above very scientific diatribe will surely earn you a PhD in Cultural Anthology, from the University of Ankara!

[Viewpoint]

Despite this islands past some people are convinced that this island and Cypriotism still belongs to Greeks!

WRONG!!!!

Cypriotism and the Cyprus we have today is anything but Greek.

No Turkish Cypriot should let ANY GC make them feel unwelcome or feel like a mere visitor who has overstayed their visit because we've put a lot into this island!

Cyprus and Cypriots wouldn't be who they are today had it not been for the Turkish Cypriots despite what some people are brainwashed into thinking.

1) Most of the Cypriot dances (apart from Syrto and a few others) ie: Karşılama, Zeybek, Ciftetelli, Kozan, Orak, Kartal and Topal dances = Turkish!

2) ALOT of Cypriot music is of Turkish decent some of the best ones are written by RAIF DENKTASH, Raufs son (some of which are now classed as ''Greek'' with Greek lyrics!)

Halloumi = Cheese that the Ottomans brought, which wasnt even Turkish, let alone ''Greek'' (Arab cheese called Hallum) and which strangely enough is now considered the ''indigenous Greek Cypriot cheese'' Please!

The cheese we brought happens to be ''indigenous'' but the people who brought it are still ''visitors'' who belong elsewhere.

Republic of Cyprus' flag = Turkish Cypriot!

Alot of what is considered TODAY as the Cypriot identity, culture and traditions comes from US!

People like Piratis should stick to their 100 gods, Zeuss and Affrodyke and stop hijacking the culture WE have contributed greatly to and stop calling it their own...it doesn't belong solely to them and some of these things had nothing to do with them till WE brought it here yet most of these things are now classed as ''Greek'' and they've even gone as far as copyrighting almost EVERYTHING we've put in!

There is no getting away from the Turkish factor in Cyprus yet people are totally oblivious and would never know because everything is now classed as ''Greek'' including being a Cypriot. When I tell people I'm Cypriot they think I'm Greek!

Cypriots and Cypriotism of THE PAST was VERY Greek, Cypriots and the Cypriotism of TODAY is VERY Turkish influenced and ofcourse it is! The Turkish influence in Cyprus is much more recent and prominent than the Hellenists of the past but people are too ignorant to see it.

Piratis is now trying to tell me I'm destroying everything Greek when hes left almost NOTHING to the credit of the people who helped shape Cypriotism into what it is today. They've hijacked EVERYTHING and claimed it as theirs from food, music to the constitution AND the country!

Its people like this who force me and A LOT of TCs into wanting partition. If they want Cyprus to be Greek then they should first DROP everything that Turks brought and then come tell us about Cyprus being Greek...

Some of them even snub us and class us as nothing more than 'pheasants'...What exactly is a Cypriot anyways, do they know themselves? The true Cypriots WERE pheasants! Some people even seem to forget where they came from...

I'm not really that bitter about the things I mentioned but I dont want to share the same fate and be assimilated into Greekness like everything else.

I WANT to live with GCs so badly but when I hear people like Piratis I'm happy and thankfull to be where I am. I will compromise as much as I could to get any sort of split NOT to Turkify Cyprus but to live happily knowing I wont be assimilated into a Greek state with the kind of brainwashed Greek mentality that has brought my people misery after misery!

A LOT of Greeks will never accept or like Turks NOT EVEN if Turkey was to up and leave and its ok for GCs to tell me I'm wrong even if they have the best intentions but not everyone is like them and for me its just not worth taking the risk specially knowing our past.

In my opinion the Greeks lost a lot to the Turks, tried to get their hands on anything to expand their borders, the 13th island they tried to annex just happened to be Cyprus. First Britain used their D&C tactics then the Greeks completely poisoned GCs against TCs. Turkey saw the perfect chance, first fucked you over and then us! I have no doubts Turkey is here for her own reasons either, someone just last week in the TA told me that Cyprus is Turkeys ''never sinking'' warship...

Unfortunately TCs wont forget what happened to them during 63-74 and GCs will never remember so there is not much hope of a proper unification. Its all swept under the carpet and called an ''excuse'' anyways

I'm angry when GCs try to tell me that we're commiting treason when they're no different and act in the same way without a care in the world because theyre the majority!!! Everything we've put in has been forgotten and classed as Greek while we're classed as the Ottomans who destroyed Cyprus, we ended up being used by everyone from Greeks, Greek Cypriots, British and Turkey.

Well sorry but after everything we deserve peace, to be happy and some UNDERSTANDING...if you cant understand why we're bitter against Greeks and why we want to administer ourselves to begin with then I'd rather live in a Turkish province even if it means becoming a Turk in the future than become a Greek or the equivilent of a ''Paki'' in the eyes of a Brit (which we already are to most Greeks).

I'm taking a break from the forum anyways....I cant take it anymore


NOT!!!!! I'm going to be staying in Famagusta so I wont have easy access to the internet nor the time to read and reply to posts but I'll be back in full swing as soon as I get back to the UK

GR! PM me your number so I can call you about the picnic. I don't have no one elses number nor yours so PM me as soon as you see this, I wont be able to log on till next week SAT and I need to know times & dates beforehand so I can check my schedule...he he he...

Excellent post TC well done, you are spot on.

[Viewpoint]

Despite this islands past some people are convinced that this island and Cypriotism still belongs to Greeks!

WRONG!!!!

Cypriotism and the Cyprus we have today is anything but Greek.

No Turkish Cypriot should let ANY GC make them feel unwelcome or feel like a mere visitor who has overstayed their visit because we've put a lot into this island!

Cyprus and Cypriots wouldn't be who they are today had it not been for the Turkish Cypriots despite what some people are brainwashed into thinking.

1) Most of the Cypriot dances (apart from Syrto and a few others) ie: Karşılama, Zeybek, Ciftetelli, Kozan, Orak, Kartal and Topal dances = Turkish!

2) ALOT of Cypriot music is of Turkish decent some of the best ones are written by RAIF DENKTASH, Raufs son (some of which are now classed as ''Greek'' with Greek lyrics!)

Halloumi = Cheese that the Ottomans brought, which wasnt even Turkish, let alone ''Greek'' (Arab cheese called Hallum) and which strangely enough is now considered the ''indigenous Greek Cypriot cheese'' Please!

The cheese we brought happens to be ''indigenous'' but the people who brought it are still ''visitors'' who belong elsewhere.

Republic of Cyprus' flag = Turkish Cypriot!

Alot of what is considered TODAY as the Cypriot identity, culture and traditions comes from US!

People like Piratis should stick to their 100 gods, Zeuss and Affrodyke and stop hijacking the culture WE have contributed greatly to and stop calling it their own...it doesn't belong solely to them and some of these things had nothing to do with them till WE brought it here yet most of these things are now classed as ''Greek'' and they've even gone as far as copyrighting almost EVERYTHING we've put in!

There is no getting away from the Turkish factor in Cyprus yet people are totally oblivious and would never know because everything is now classed as ''Greek'' including being a Cypriot. When I tell people I'm Cypriot they think I'm Greek!

Cypriots and Cypriotism of THE PAST was VERY Greek, Cypriots and the Cypriotism of TODAY is VERY Turkish influenced and ofcourse it is! The Turkish influence in Cyprus is much more recent and prominent than the Hellenists of the past but people are too ignorant to see it.

Piratis is now trying to tell me I'm destroying everything Greek when hes left almost NOTHING to the credit of the people who helped shape Cypriotism into what it is today. They've hijacked EVERYTHING and claimed it as theirs from food, music to the constitution AND the country!

Its people like this who force me and A LOT of TCs into wanting partition. If they want Cyprus to be Greek then they should first DROP everything that Turks brought and then come tell us about Cyprus being Greek...

Some of them even snub us and class us as nothing more than 'pheasants'...What exactly is a Cypriot anyways, do they know themselves? The true Cypriots WERE pheasants! Some people even seem to forget where they came from...

I'm not really that bitter about the things I mentioned but I dont want to share the same fate and be assimilated into Greekness like everything else.

I WANT to live with GCs so badly but when I hear people like Piratis I'm happy and thankfull to be where I am. I will compromise as much as I could to get any sort of split NOT to Turkify Cyprus but to live happily knowing I wont be assimilated into a Greek state with the kind of brainwashed Greek mentality that has brought my people misery after misery!

A LOT of Greeks will never accept or like Turks NOT EVEN if Turkey was to up and leave and its ok for GCs to tell me I'm wrong even if they have the best intentions but not everyone is like them and for me its just not worth taking the risk specially knowing our past.

In my opinion the Greeks lost a lot to the Turks, tried to get their hands on anything to expand their borders, the 13th island they tried to annex just happened to be Cyprus. First Britain used their D&C tactics then the Greeks completely poisoned GCs against TCs. Turkey saw the perfect chance, first fucked you over and then us! I have no doubts Turkey is here for her own reasons either, someone just last week in the TA told me that Cyprus is Turkeys ''never sinking'' warship...

Unfortunately TCs wont forget what happened to them during 63-74 and GCs will never remember so there is not much hope of a proper unification. Its all swept under the carpet and called an ''excuse'' anyways

I'm angry when GCs try to tell me that we're commiting treason when they're no different and act in the same way without a care in the world because theyre the majority!!! Everything we've put in has been forgotten and classed as Greek while we're classed as the Ottomans who destroyed Cyprus, we ended up being used by everyone from Greeks, Greek Cypriots, British and Turkey.

Well sorry but after everything we deserve peace, to be happy and some UNDERSTANDING...if you cant understand why we're bitter against Greeks and why we want to administer ourselves to begin with then I'd rather live in a Turkish province even if it means becoming a Turk in the future than become a Greek or the equivilent of a ''Paki'' in the eyes of a Brit (which we already are to most Greeks).

I'm taking a break from the forum anyways....I cant take it anymore

I posted this in another thread earlier but it is I beleive relevant here too.

""We need to prove to all Cypriots that Cyprus is independent and that it is the nation that IS recognised universally as the legitimate entity with part of it under the occupation of Turkey. Are we doing enough ?? No we are not . We march ahead continuously playing the same old "Greek " tune , ignoring totaly the fact that there are T/Cs who also consider this to be their homeland and they MIGHT just object to the continual projection of Cyprus as another Greek island. I'm a G/C but have stated many many times that I'm not a Greek, I'm a Cypriot first and foremost and since there are plenty T/Cs and G/Cs who feel the same way there is a glimmer of hope that we may at the end prevail before the Cypriot identity is buried for ever . There are people on this forum that I have never met and yet feel so close to them because of their commitment to one Cyprus with all its people as equal Cypriots in a democratic environment that is just and fair to all as demanded by the democratic principles applied in all nations. The message our RoC government should be sending to our compatriots is that our nation is your nation , our laws are your laws , our flag is your flag AND WE SHALL DO THE UTMOST TO GET RID OF THE GREEK NATIONA ANTHEM AND REPLACE IT WITH ONE REPRESSENTATIVE OF THE CYPRIOT PEOPLE.Then we can all stand to attention and show solidarity to our nation .
LONG LIVE CYPRUS .

This is the day that I would change my name and from past experience of GC leadership I know my name is safe. You are electing the same leadership so its obvious you are happy with whats going on..militiades you are a minority and stand next to zero chance of getting what you want. You obviously do not know your own community having lived in the green tree avenues of Surrey.

[Viewpoint]

Turkish Cypriot, if Cyprus of today is so Turkish anyways, then why are you afraid to be assimilated into the majority? Why did you have to ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots, import 10s of thousands of mainland Turkish settlers, try to destroy our heritage in the norther part of our island and all the other illegal efforts you currently make in order to Turkify the part of Cyprus you currently occupy?

If you have 1 reason to be bitter, then we have 100. What are you doing about this? Continuing with crimes and illegalities against us?

I have no problem if TCs continue to influence Cyprus with their culture nor I have any reason to deny the influence the 3 centuries of Ottoman rule had on us. As I have always said TCs should be equal Cypriot citizens and they can practice their language and anything else they have unique so they can contribute positively and enrich the island. What I have a problem is when they use brute force and illegalities in order to change the demographics and what Cyprus really is and trying to gain power and land more than what proportionately belongs to them, on our loss.

So in the same way we accepted the Turkish elements that exist on our island (although they were a result of the oppressive Ottoman rule), it is time for you to also accept the rest of the history and culture of this island and you should finally allow Cypriots to democratically rule their own island.

Telling us something like: "Cyprus used to be Greek, but after my great ancestors butchered 10s of thousands of Cypriots and oppressed you for 3 centuries now it is not so Greek, and we are here to finish the job they started using more brute force and illegalities" is not something that helps to achieve peace.

If you want peace you should end the hostility and illegalities, and accept to live in Cyprus as it naturally is, with its Turkish elements and everything but without ethnic cleanings, imported Turkish settlers, changing the names of our villages, destruction of our historical heritage and foreign armies.

Surely Cyprus has Turkish influences, but obviously you are now using brute force in order to influence this island way more than that, since apparently you yourselves are not satisfied with the natural level of "Turkishness" in Cyprus and you want to forcefully increase it.

So how about we stop the war and accept what Cyprus really is without trying to force it (or part of it) to become something else? Can you handle this?

With all due respects Piratis we understand what you are saying but the position we find ourselves in was the culmination of many factors, you can argue these forever and not agree anything. Our problem today is that the 2 communities cannot agree a formula that will bring this issue to a close thats why we remain divided. If the GCs are so confident that they know all and have the answer after rejecting the last and only plan that was put before the people then why dont they declare the "new plan" to the world and us, so that we may consider it. All they do is complain yet take no positive steps that will unify the island and create a Cypriot air to draw both sides together. The last 4 years have been a prime example of hardening views (yours included) and widening chasms, I reached the point your are at today 4 years ago and if we continue the same policies we will go backwards not forwards. You must see that the "RoC" being the recognized half of he island must do more to encourage TCs to abandon the TRNC for something which will be far better for everyone on this island, yet they take steps to further alienate us pushing us more and more towards Turkey and economical dependence and wanting recognition of the TRNC as a means to settle this matter once and for all.

[Pyrpolizer]

With the "trnc" in place there is almost nothing the Roc can do to help the Tcs without giving recognition=acceptance to the illegal/racist/enemy/totally against GC rights entity called "trnc". I proposed in another topic that this entity should at least adopt the 1960 constitution and run it using all the Vice/and deputy positions of authority as a step forward unification and taking the TCs out of isolation.

Nobody even replied to my topic..... yet I 've put a lot of effort in thinking to at least make a sensible and practical move forward. What reason would the Roc have to opose international flights from Ercan if the northern part was administer as per agreed constitution and law? (albeit from the positions of Vice or Deputy).

Of course there are the negatives in that the No1 being the northern part could no longer deny access and ownership of properties to the legal owners. However neither the southern part could any longer do the same to the TC owners....

That's the point we should start-COMMON LAW-EQUAL RIGHTS for everyone. And the only common law we have and nobody can deny is the 1960 constitution.

[Kikapu]

This is the day that I would change my name and from past experience of GC leadership I know my name is safe. .

.................??????????????????????

Haven't you changed your name already few years ago, that has taken a bit of your "Cypriotness" away.

If I have made a wrong assumption, then apologies are in order.

[miltiades]

VO WROTE :
""""""With all due respects Piratis we understand what you are saying but the position we find ourselves in was the culmination of many factors, you can argue these forever and not agree anything. Our problem today is that the 2 communities cannot agree a formula that will bring this issue to a close thats why we remain divided. If the GCs are so confident that they know all and have the answer after rejecting the last and only plan that was put before the people then why dont they declare the "new plan" to the world and us, so that we may consider it. All they do is complain yet take no positive steps that will unify the island and create a Cypriot air to draw both sides together. The last 4 years have been a prime example of hardening views (yours included) and widening chasms, I reached the point your are at today 4 years ago and if we continue the same policies we will go backwards not forwards. You must see that the "RoC" being the recognized half of he island must do more to encourage TCs to abandon the TRNC for something which will be far better for everyone on this island, yet they take steps to further alienate us pushing us more and more towards Turkey and economical dependence and wanting recognition of the TRNC as a means to settle this matter once and for all."""""

Recognition of the "trnc" , and for your information this is where inverted commas should be used and not when referring to the ROC which IS THE ONLY RECOGNISED AND LEGAL ENTITY , get this in your little head and we would move on. Turkeys position in refusing to recognise that the earth is round and that Cyprus is universally recognised IS a stumbling block along withe the government of Cyprus whose reluctance or inability to come clean and make known to the people what its goals are , these are the prime obstacles to commencing meaningful negotiations to unite our island. The Cypriot people will NEVER accept part of their island annexed to Turkey , and if you think otherwise then you are naive.

Your refusal in recognising what the rest of the world already does is an indication of your unwuillingness to see reason and to act in a manner likely to influence events leading to a united Cyprus and thus everting ceratin conflict in the future.

[Pyrpolizer]

@ T_C:

Most of your posts are excellent my friend and I admire your maturity at your age. I would say I agree by 80% of what you said in your first post although at some points you went over the edge. The separation of the 2 communities acted in a way that made a lot of people unable to understand what Cyprus really is. If you go at Atca site you will see the opposite of the GC nationalism thriving.

If I were a TC i believe I would write the same things like you. I like your posts, don't get disapointed and please don't go away from this forum.

Like I said I mostly agree with your posts that's why I almost never converse with you. Be sure you are NOT ignored though.