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[Kikapu]

Go ahead humanist lobby Papdop for full closure of the borders, this would help us no end as recogntion would arrive the very next day and we would hold a national bank holiday in your honour every year and call it "humansit day"

Can someone answer this question to me, because VP is too shy from me, to do it himself.

The "borders" were closed to better part of 30 years, and if VP makes a statement that it will bring recognition to the "TRNC" as of next day if the "borders" were once again closed. If that is the case, why didn't recognition come to the "TRNC" in the first 30 years.??

On seconds thoughts, if recognition will come as soon as the "borders" are closed, then what is the TRNC" waiting for.??

Why not shut them down as of YESTERDAY.

Is VP talking "good shit" or "bad shit".??

[Kikapu]

I don't know what you all think of the Turkish election results from yesterday in Turkey, and I'm surprised no one has talked about them yet. The results were good for a future settlement of Cyprus I believe, because the new government still has the goal to enter the EU and will make gradual changes in their laws and same time improve their economy. I think this also plays well with the opposition party who are the wealthy elitist, so they have something in common to work together. The scarf issues will be buried in no time. This leaves the Military and the Nationalist , a very minute of the 70+ million Turks to fend for themselves. Give it one or two more elections as the ones yesterday, then the military and the Nationalist will become history, as far as having any political say in Turkeys future to move further and further to the West and into the EU. Turkey will need to give up her bargaining chip to enter the EU, and that is the Northern Part of Cyprus, aka, the "TRNC".

I would like to get Bir's and BigOz's take on the Turkish elections.

[alexISS]

Didn't the Grey Wolves' party also enter the parliament? What effect will this have in the decision making processes in Turkey?

[Murataga]

What are you talking about man??
You started with a distortion of the concept of Communities or major people of Cyprus by adding the word "nation" to that and then you ended up with the fallacy that there is a TC nation (!!!) and a GC nation (!!!) in Cyprus

I knew after I hit the "submit" button that some looser would come back with a shallow arguement on this. Look who it turned out to be

Nation means a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own. Given the status quo the TCs are the nation of the TRNC and the GCs are the nation of the RoC. The U.N. mentions that the Cyprus Problem is to be settled in a structure where there are TWO Communities in seperate zones with equal political status. However, there exists no such state. In the meantime there are two countries of the two communities known as the TRNC and RoC, thus making the two communities under these entities nations. I used the "/" between words "nation" and the "community" to acknowledge the matter.

Under an agreed settlement the two people are communities; in the absence of a settlement there are two nations with seprate states.

First of all the only paranoid loser in here is you. Next thing you are going to tell me is the Germans of ex-east Germany were a different nation than the Germans of West Germany. In fact you are going to tell me they belonged to the Soviet nation because they were governed by the Soviet system.

And when your paranoia reaches no limits you are going to tell me the United NATIONS where Cyprus is a member considers it comprising of 2 nations just because Turkey invaded my country outsted me from my homes and lands and gave thieves like you the right to rule the whole place. You are nothing but a thief who by the use of Turkish tanks cares FOR HIS LOOT, and calls it self governing.

Go to the UN and claim you are a nation and you will see what you will get you "nation" of TRashNcan

If you correlate Germans of East Germany - Germans of West Germany with the Turks of Cyprus- Greeks of Cyprus, and even go as far as the putting under the same category their ethnicity, history, establishemnt and the circumstances of these countries you are really in for a treat
Apparently you have no real sense of the existing situation, but try to get a stay above the water through personal attacks. Sad.

You really need to start reading and trying to comprehend what others write and imply here, otherwise you will be long stuck with these shallow monologues with yourself.

[Pyrpolizer]

What are you talking about man??
You started with a distortion of the concept of Communities or major people of Cyprus by adding the word "nation" to that and then you ended up with the fallacy that there is a TC nation (!!!) and a GC nation (!!!) in Cyprus

I knew after I hit the "submit" button that some looser would come back with a shallow arguement on this. Look who it turned out to be

Nation means a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own. Given the status quo the TCs are the nation of the TRNC and the GCs are the nation of the RoC. The U.N. mentions that the Cyprus Problem is to be settled in a structure where there are TWO Communities in seperate zones with equal political status. However, there exists no such state. In the meantime there are two countries of the two communities known as the TRNC and RoC, thus making the two communities under these entities nations. I used the "/" between words "nation" and the "community" to acknowledge the matter.

Under an agreed settlement the two people are communities; in the absence of a settlement there are two nations with seprate states.

First of all the only paranoid loser in here is you. Next thing you are going to tell me is the Germans of ex-east Germany were a different nation than the Germans of West Germany. In fact you are going to tell me they belonged to the Soviet nation because they were governed by the Soviet system.

And when your paranoia reaches no limits you are going to tell me the United NATIONS where Cyprus is a member considers it comprising of 2 nations just because Turkey invaded my country outsted me from my homes and lands and gave thieves like you the right to rule the whole place. You are nothing but a thief who by the use of Turkish tanks cares FOR HIS LOOT, and calls it self governing.

Go to the UN and claim you are a nation and you will see what you will get you "nation" of TRashNcan

If you correlate Germans of East Germany - Germans of West Germany with the Turks of Cyprus- Greeks of Cyprus, and even go as far as the putting under the same category their ethnicity, history, establishemnt and the circumstances of these countries you are really in for a treat
Apparently you have no real sense of the existing situation, but try to get a stay above the water through personal attacks. Sad.

You really need to start reading and trying to comprehend what others write and imply here, otherwise you will be long stuck with these shallow monologues with yourself.

As for who starts personal attacks it's all there marked with red colour for everyone to see. I have just exposed your wrong assumption that people sharing a geographical area (even by stealing?) in which they govern themselves (looking after their loot with the protection of a huge neighbour and his tanks?) are supposely a nation. No you are NOT A NATION. You are and will always be a group of people, the TC people of the CYPRIOT NATION.

Would you like me to start calling you a minority? Isn't the fact that I acknowledge the TC people as one of the peoples that make MY NATION enough for you, you want me to give you the title of another nation just because under conditions of force you got part of my own country etc etc??

[Pyrpolizer]

Go ahead humanist lobby Papdop for full closure of the borders, this would help us no end as recogntion would arrive the very next day and we would hold a national bank holiday in your honour every year and call it "humansit day"

Can someone answer this question to me, because VP is too shy from me, to do it himself.

The "borders" were closed to better part of 30 years, and if VP makes a statement that it will bring recognition to the "TRNC" as of next day if the "borders" were once again closed. If that is the case, why didn't recognition come to the "TRNC" in the first 30 years.??

On seconds thoughts, if recognition will come as soon as the "borders" are closed, then what is the TRNC" waiting for.??

Why not shut them down as of YESTERDAY.

Is VP talking "good shit" or "bad shit".??

What VP means is that IF the RoC does it (I mean shut the doors) is like acknowledging partition.They will shout and scream to the whole world "proving and pointing" their isolation as being imposed.


On the other hand if they do it, that will be nothing new, they had the borders closed for 30 years anyway. They will just continue self isolated as usual.

Kikapu perhaps you don't know that he borders did not really open, from BOTH sides. There was never any restriction for a GC or TC to or from the Government controlled areas. The restriction as always from ONE SIDE, i.e ffrom the occupation regime. They were the ones who restricted the TCs and the GCs to move.

NB. weren't the kisses VP sent to humanist hot and juicy? Man I felt jealus

[Murataga]

What are you talking about man??
You started with a distortion of the concept of Communities or major people of Cyprus by adding the word "nation" to that and then you ended up with the fallacy that there is a TC nation (!!!) and a GC nation (!!!) in Cyprus

I knew after I hit the "submit" button that some looser would come back with a shallow arguement on this. Look who it turned out to be

Nation means a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own. Given the status quo the TCs are the nation of the TRNC and the GCs are the nation of the RoC. The U.N. mentions that the Cyprus Problem is to be settled in a structure where there are TWO Communities in seperate zones with equal political status. However, there exists no such state. In the meantime there are two countries of the two communities known as the TRNC and RoC, thus making the two communities under these entities nations. I used the "/" between words "nation" and the "community" to acknowledge the matter.

Under an agreed settlement the two people are communities; in the absence of a settlement there are two nations with seprate states.

First of all the only paranoid loser in here is you. Next thing you are going to tell me is the Germans of ex-east Germany were a different nation than the Germans of West Germany. In fact you are going to tell me they belonged to the Soviet nation because they were governed by the Soviet system.

And when your paranoia reaches no limits you are going to tell me the United NATIONS where Cyprus is a member considers it comprising of 2 nations just because Turkey invaded my country outsted me from my homes and lands and gave thieves like you the right to rule the whole place. You are nothing but a thief who by the use of Turkish tanks cares FOR HIS LOOT, and calls it self governing.

Go to the UN and claim you are a nation and you will see what you will get you "nation" of TRashNcan

If you correlate Germans of East Germany - Germans of West Germany with the Turks of Cyprus- Greeks of Cyprus, and even go as far as the putting under the same category their ethnicity, history, establishemnt and the circumstances of these countries you are really in for a treat
Apparently you have no real sense of the existing situation, but try to get a stay above the water through personal attacks. Sad.

You really need to start reading and trying to comprehend what others write and imply here, otherwise you will be long stuck with these shallow monologues with yourself.

As for who starts personal attacks it's all there marked with red colour for everyone to see. I have just exposed your wrong assumption that people sharing a geographical area (even by stealing?) in which they govern themselves (looking after their loot with the protection of a huge neighbour and his tanks?) are supposely a nation. No you are NOT A NATION. You are and will always be a group of people, the TC people of the CYPRIOT NATION.

Would you like me to start calling you a minority? Isn't the fact that I acknowledge the TC people as one of the peoples that make MY NATION enough for you, you want me to give you the title of another nation just because under conditions of force you got part of my own country etc etc??

The only thing you exposed is how little you know of the definition of the word "nation" and the existing situation in Cyprus. You are more than welcome to call us anything you like. This is not your land it is our land. We did not want things to end up here but the unending aggression directed at us to hand this island to Greece and the ongoing aggression of the GC leadership mandates us to protect ourselves in a seperate zone (as also foreseen by the U.N.). The fact is we have our own country and by defintion of the word of "nation", we are a nation of this country, as you are a nation of the RoC due to the status quo. We will become communities if a settlement is reached once again. However, it is very unlikely that you will ever accept to become a community in the RoC for reasons I have elaborated elsewhere.

As for the personal attack: I am sorry. You are right, I was the first to hit.

[Pyrpolizer]

I don't know what you all think of the Turkish election results from yesterday in Turkey, and I'm surprised no one has talked about them yet. The results were good for a future settlement of Cyprus I believe, because the new government still has the goal to enter the EU and will make gradual changes in their laws and same time improve their economy. I think this also plays well with the opposition party who are the wealthy elitist, so they have something in common to work together. The scarf issues will be buried in no time. This leaves the Military and the Nationalist , a very minute of the 70+ million Turks to fend for themselves. Give it one or two more elections as the ones yesterday, then the military and the Nationalist will become history, as far as having any political say in Turkeys future to move further and further to the West and into the EU. Turkey will need to give up her bargaining chip to enter the EU, and that is the Northern Part of Cyprus, aka, the "TRNC".

I would like to get Bir's and BigOz's take on the Turkish elections.

Kikapu I personally adore Erdogan. I was very glad that he swept everybody. (Jeez he is TURKEY he is the enemy I am supposed to hate him). I find it strange that most TCs don't like him because he is religious. It is obvious he is not promoting radical islam, just some freedoms for the religious people. Why not, even religious people have the right to be free and wear anything they like, as long as they don't use force to impose it on others.

You know why I adore him? Because before the referendum he came to the borders and wanted to cross over to drink coffee and shake hands with the GCs and show his friendship and his good will. He was stopped the last minute by his guards who told him it's dangerous.
For me this man is a PURE HEART that I can trust.

Anyway in political terms, I think he needs 2/3rds to pass the legislation so the President is elected directly from the people, no? So he has to cooperate with the nationalists unfortunately. He sure is a clever man, but needs all his wits to bring a change to Turkey and beat the Military Junta.

I am not sure if he will ever make it. Good luck Erdogan Bashbaganu

[bigOz]

I don't know what you all think of the Turkish election results from yesterday in Turkey, and I'm surprised no one has talked about them yet. The results were good for a future settlement of Cyprus I believe, because the new government still has the goal to enter the EU and will make gradual changes in their laws and same time improve their economy. I think this also plays well with the opposition party who are the wealthy elitist, so they have something in common to work together. The scarf issues will be buried in no time. This leaves the Military and the Nationalist , a very minute of the 70+ million Turks to fend for themselves. Give it one or two more elections as the ones yesterday, then the military and the Nationalist will become history, as far as having any political say in Turkeys future to move further and further to the West and into the EU. Turkey will need to give up her bargaining chip to enter the EU, and that is the Northern Part of Cyprus, aka, the "TRNC".

I would like to get Bir's and BigOz's take on the Turkish elections.

I am afraid it is not at all like your interpretation above! Below is the table of new parliamentary seats:


As can be sen the MHP (Nationalist Party) had doubled their votes and managed to become the third party with 71 seats in the parliament (from no seats in the last election I believe)!

The ruling AK party had their seats cut from 363 to 340.

I doubt these results will change the general loss of interest and will to join the EU by the Turkish public, especially when you consider other main news of the day showing the Turkish lira gaining more value against the dollar, Tourism levels reaching new record high, interest rates falling further...etc

Ironically, one of the main car manufacturers in Turkey TOFAS has given their workers 3 weeks holidays and closed the factory for maintenance! I wonder if any car manufacturers in EU could afford the same?

BTW I just noticed Pyrpolizer's post after posting this one. I do not agree that TCs do not like Erdogan. I personally never doubted his abilities especially where the economy is concerned. By the same token, I protest strongly any suggestion that there is a Junta in Turkey
How can you even suggest that in the light of the fully democratic elections that has just taken place, and the will of people has prevailed?

[Pyrpolizer]

The only thing you exposed is how little you know of the definition of the word "nation" and the existing situation in Cyprus. You are more than welcome to call us anything you like. This is not your land it is our land. We did not want things to end up here but the unending aggression directed at us to hand this island to Greece and the ongoing aggression of the GC leadership mandates us to protect ourselves in a seperate zone (as also foreseen by the U.N.). The fact is we have our own country and by defintion of the word of "nation", we are a nation of this country, as you are a nation of the RoC due to the status quo. We will become communities if a settlement is reached once again. However, it is very unlikely that you will ever accept to become a community in the RoC for reasons I have elaborated elsewhere.

Well sorry but I don't accept your claim that my own village/home and lands are yours, neither the ECHR accepts your claim neither anyone. It's just one of your sensless claims. So there goes your basic argument claiming you are a nation sharing a common geographical region. You just grabbed something and you have a gorilla protecting you and your loot.That's all.

As for your claim that you never wanted it to end up like this and everything is due to the GC agreession, who you think you are kidding? Were you aiming at taksim and were you waiting for the Turkish ships and planes to come and take half of Cyprus, yes or no? The fact is you were always planning it and you finally MADE IT. So the fact is you always wanted it to end up like this. So if the Gcs are guilty of trying unsuccessfully to make illegalities, you are guilty for actually MAKING THEM, and still doing them.

There is only one thing you haven't predicted though. Look around your open prison to find out what it is.