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[magikthrill]

oh brother!

you always know how to gie me a good laugh.

lol i am literally laughing right now, i dont know if its the wine or the paranoia from studying or just you but i cant stop laughing. am i jealous of aleX? yes i am. i hope one day to aspire and be like him lol.

i was right though about you being insecure. i put that post up as a joke and you took it seriously.

RELAX aderfe (=brother)

[-mikkie2-]

Brother,

Why can't you respect the opinions of Piratis? You blatantly label him as a partitionist and yet he want unification of our country!

Does it ever cross your mind that some of the things you say are insulting GC's as well?

[Piratis]

Brother, while several times you say things that are insulting towords me, maybe you notice that I never refer to you personally.

When I refer to thieves, those thieves do not include you, or any other TC that does not support the violation of our human rights, even if this TC is currently living in a home that does not belong to him (but recognizes that the home is not his own, and wants to return it)

Unfortunately what I noticed is that many TCs know that what they demand is a clear violation of our human rights, yet they bring up a bunch of excuses in order to be able to continue these violations and gain on our loss. Such people, I am sorry, but I can't think about them in a way other than thieves.

[brother]

I like the way you guys are ganging up on me but hey i can take the pressure.

magikthrill i do not know where you get that impression but if that is what youi believe and in the course i give you a good laugh, well keep on smiling.

[magikthrill]

never brother!

i was just joking. i am not ganging up on you. maybe we'll wait for your posse to come along to even things out?

erolz, insan... where are you guys?

[brother]

mikkie i am very aware that some comments can be insulting to gc too, but i personally do not think that is the way forward.

And as for piratis, well that is something we can resolve without yours or anyone else's input.

[brother]

piratis, if i did not believe in some of your comments or ideas i would not even bother to talk to you and even though i respond to youi personally i am not attackingh you just trying to talk it through with you, so do not get me wrong even though we have had our ups and downs, but what if rather than call people thieves which i am sure you agree is very insulting just said maybe something designed not to engulf all or not so hurtful as you know we are all victims of circumstance and living in each others properties or lands, and as you know when the borders opened majority of tc welcomed you home and expressed no desire to keep your homes and even protected your personal possesions and valuables, does this mean something to you of what sort of human beings we are?

[metecyp]

Why can't you respect the opinions of Piratis? You blatantly label him as a partitionist and yet he want unification of our country!

Sorry to interrupt but I want to explain why I (and TCs in general) find Piratis a tough person to agree with. His ideas are very fixed and he tries to simply everything and make everything black and white. Since the law is on his side (for now), he tries to make the Cyprus problem an issue of violation of GC human rights and an issue of democracy, that's it.

By ignoring the complexity of the Cyprus problem, he tries to belittle TC concerns and label them as thieves/rapists, human right abusers etc. He's doing this because this simplistic view helps his overall argument. I don't think that he's that fond of democracy, this is evident from the way he labels anyone as "traitor" who thinks different.

He believes that TCs are nothing but a minority, just like Armenians, Latins, and Maronites. He doesn't believe that the RoC was based on a fair agreement between the two sides but it was rather enforced. His ideal solution would be going back to the RoC without TC privileges and no bizonality. For TCs, protection from the GC majority and bizonality is crucial. Now how can you communicate with someone who believes otherwise?

He wants unification...unification of what? He wants unification of the land in the north with the structure in the south, nothing more. If he really wanted people's unification, he would have listened TC concerns more, but instead he prefers to call TCs thieves.

[Piratis]

Metecyp,
You come to negative conclusions about me without any base, simply because you do not like what I say.

Yes, maybe my ideas are fixed on some things, like democracy and human rights. These are called principles, and discounts in such principles shouldn't be made simply to benefit a group of people.

I have listened to your fears and in many occasions I proposed solutions that will protect TCs and ensure that each Turkish Cypriot, and the TC community as a whole, will be equal to GCs and the GC community.

You have to realize that one thing is to demand what belongs to you as a cypriot citizen, or as a cypriot community, and a whole another thing to demand to receive benefits by violating the rights of others and by turning Cyprus into a banana republic.

He wants unification...unification of what?

I already said what kind of unification I want. The one where all Cypriot citizens will be equal, with no racial discriminations. At the same time I fully support the cultural, religious and linguistic diversity of Cyprus that should be fully protected by the state. All different all equal, thats how it should be. And I am more than willing to accept even a long transitional period if thats what is needed to achieve the aim.

What I am not willing to do, is to convict myself and my future children and grandchildren to live in an undemocratic banana republic. We need to move ahead and improve, not to move backward.

[MicAtCyp]

Wouldn't it be better to agree on partition with TCs keeping 18%?

My friend by the minute our side proposes partition the Cyprus problen IS FINISHED and the only thing left is to agree on the percentage.We will be lucky if in the end we even get Famagusta back.

That's the game Dekntash always tried to play. By the minute we just even say OK lets discuss it, we are on checkmate.

Besides there are economists who analysed everything and concluded that economically partition is worse that the worst solution. Also that it will lead to the complete eradication of the native TCs from Cyprus.