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[insan]

Insan, you do not understand the difference between a coup and a an invasion? The coup took place in a limited geographical areas, the coupists didn't bomb cities, and they didn't march into the cities and villages.
Also you are wrong that GC citizens didn't resist the coup. Apart from a small minority, the rest resisted, but there is only so much unarmed citizens could do in such a short period.

National Guard was under command of pro-coupist-Enosist Greek officers and they were spreaded the Island wide. They bombed and shot the ones who resisted against them and if more people resisted against them they would bomb and shot them too.


How did the majority of GCs resist against coupists while there were 10.000s of National Guard, Eldik troops and irregular bands under command of coupists, Island wide?

It is obvious that you do not understand the difference between Greek Invasion and Turkish Intervention. Besides you do not understand that the de-facto partition was the consequence of Enosis aspiration of Nationalists and "majority rule" insistence of Makarios. And you do not understand that as long as GC leadership insist on "majority rule" the presence of Turkish troops and de-facto partition will continue. And you do not understand that time is over, truths revealed; de-facto partition will turn into a de-facto seperate TC state.

[magikthrill]

National Guard was under command of pro-coupist-Enosist Greek officers and they were spreaded the Island wide. They bombed and shot the ones who resisted against them and if more people resisted against them they would bomb and shot them too.

the coup ws caused by the junta --> military dictatorship --> support by military forces

[insan]

Coup or soup, it does not matter. They were Enosist and a part of Greek nation. They overthew Makarios and invaded Cyprus with the help of National Gurad, Eldik, pro-Enosist GC media, pro-Enosist RoC politicians, pro-Enosist cadres, pro-Enosist priests and pro-Enosist GC terrorist with the aim annex Cyprus to Greece.

[brother]

Piratis said:

So basically you use force to achieve what you want, and until you get what you want you will not stop the illegal occupation and you will not obey the UN resolutions.

Thieves behind Tanks


You used force and murder to achieve enosis and becauae the turkish intervention stopped you does not mean that you can say they did worse to us, you bought us all to this situation we are in now.

[magikthrill]

Coup or soup, it does not matter. They were Enosist and a part of Greek nation. They overthew Makarios and invaded Cyprus with the help of National Gurad, Eldik, pro-Enosist GC media, pro-Enosist RoC politicians, pro-Enosist cadres, pro-Enosist priests and pro-Enosist GC terrorist with the aim annex Cyprus to Greece.

Theres a great difference between coup and soup. There is a difference between the German Federation and Nazi Germany.

What I'm saying is you can't blame the people for the actions of a dictatorship whose leaders were obivously not elected.

[insan]

The political stance of elected representatives of "democratic" Greece was not any different than the Junta concerning Cyprus issue. After the establishment of RoC, Enosis attempts of elected GCs in collaboration of "democratic" Greece had been started and continued with Junta. There was no divergence of opinion between the Junta and "democratic" Greece, concernin Cyprus issue. Both were pro-Enosis. Both worked annexing Cyprus to Greece.

[MicAtCyp]

As you quite rightly pointed out, I have been insisting that the settler issue and the property issue anre inexorably linked and the only way proper restitution is to be achieved is for as many settlers to leave the island as possible. The argument that Cyprus needs their labour is false and an outright lie when you consider many Turkish Cypriots are unemployed, or are employed by a bloated 'government'.

Exactly Mikkie!
Besides there is too much hypocricy from the TCs regarding this issue. The TCs want the settlers to stay because they themselves are currently not more than 70K.This means less than 10% of the total population of Cyprus.They want the settlers to stay to secure them the political rights they had when they were 18%, and even more, simple as that. You know 2 out of 3 voters during the recent so called "elections" were settlers!

All efforts of Turkey to restore and maintain peace in safer model of state,i.e; bi-zonal, bi-communal federation based upon "political equality" of two communities with some permemnant restrictions; cut no ice. So is Turkey's mission accomplished? How could Turkey leave under the circumstances?

What efforts of Turkey re Insan?Are you serious? The keeping of Denktash in his position for 31 years for wasting everybodys time? Did Turkey through Denktash all these years demand anything else than 2 separate states?Or perhaps you came to the position of beleiving your own sides propaganda that the declaration of "Kuzei Something" was to fascilitate the reunification not to lead to 2 separate states!?

Denktash was always dragged to the nregotiations through international pressure when he could not do otherwise, was then pretending he was disccussing for a bi-zonal Federation and when in the end the GCs would accept everything to finally have a solution he set new demands to drag the matter further and further in time. Are we kidding ourselves here or what?

The only time Turkey showed some willigness was for the Anan case, and even for that Gul went on threatening everybody in New York that if the final outcome was not to their likeness Turkey is not oblidged to accept it. Do you remember than or not? As soon as the Americans told him "shhhh we have a trick it's called arbitration we will do this and that" he suddenly shut his big mouth and transformed into a peace pigeon. And of course the Amaricans kept their promises.... Idiot GCs falled into the trap of trusting the UN, and here we are at todays situation.

Understand now why Papadopoulos is not trusting the UN, and will never reveal them his negotiating points?Because like they did in the past they will do the same now. Drag us into multiple rounds of dead end negotiations where they will force us to accept 50% of the 50% of the 50% of the 50% of the 50% of the 50% of the 50% of the 50% i.e ZERO! I am absolutely sure there will be negotiations this year. Do you bet the result will be a dead end so that next round starts at the 50% of the 50%? I am sure Papadopoulos will try that. If this prediction becomes true be sure there will not be a new round of negotiations until Turkey is ready to join the EU i.e after 15 years.

Jimmy when will you obtain some articles to me that written by Anastasiades. And if you can find, I'd like to read Sotiris' and Vera's articles as well..

Politicians don't write articles.

[magikthrill]

The political stance of elected representatives of "democratic" Greece was not any different than the Junta concerning Cyprus issue. After the establishment of RoC, Enosis attempts of elected GCs in collaboration of "democratic" Greece had been started and continued with Junta. There was no divergence of opinion between the Junta and "democratic" Greece, concernin Cyprus issue. Both were pro-Enosis. Both worked annexing Cyprus to Greece.

You're forgetting the main differenece: the kingdom of Greece never attempted to use force to bring the Enosis into force. Don't forget that by 74 Makarios had reazlied that Enosis was unachievable and if Cyprus wouldn't bother putting forth Enosis, I dont think Greece would have attempted to do anything. Of course I can't be sure I am just putting facts together to come with a potential outcome.

[insan]

What efforts of Turkey re Insan?Are you serious? The keeping of Denktash in his position for 31 years for wasting everybodys time? Did Turkey through Denktash all these years demand anything else than 2 separate states?Or perhaps you came to the position of beleiving your own sides propaganda that the declaration of "Kuzei Something" was to fascilitate the reunification not to lead to 2 separate states!?

You should have well known my views all about Cyprus, including Denktash, Turkey, Greece, Grivas, Klerides, Kyprianou, de-facto partition, declaration of TRNC, the neverending GC insistence of majority rule, GC hypocrisy that nothing bad done to TCs pre-74, Papadopoulos et etc.

So, sorry brother. It seems either you read none of them or you pretend that you don't know... I will not repeat them over and over again...

[brother]

MicAtCyp the only reason that tc are so few is the sanctions imposed on us for 30 plus years,, hence majority of us were forced to migrate to other countries to make a living, if there is a solution i believe that a lot of tc will come back home and swell our numbers up to more than what it was in the past, at the moment in the u.k alone i know of so many families making plans or already left and returning to cyprus.

The fact that there is so many settlers is a point of discontent among the tc but its a unfortunate situation we are stuck in.