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82% - 18% partition solution.

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Postby turkcyp » Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:00 am

Piratis wrote:Don't worry, nervous laugh is natural when you have nothing good to say.


See what I mean. I dunno how you come up with such things. God bless you , Piratis. God bless you...:lol:

How come? Your party lost. Or you changed to support the winners now?


For your information. I am overseas now, so I did not get to vote at this election.

My family for some reason keeps on voting for Akinci (BDH), so you might say, my family (mom and dad) lost this election, by voting BDH....

As for me, I am a happy camper whoever wins. But last election I have voted CTP, and this election I would have voted either CTP or DP, (both of which increased their votes) so I did not loose really.

You take care of yourselt and keep those jolly jokes rolling this way....

:lol:
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Postby turkcyp » Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:05 am

-mikkie2- wrote:Turkcyp,

You are a mind reader too! Wow! Is there no end to your multitude of talents?


Where did you get that idea? I just thought your idea of solution is very similar to that of Piratis. You do not have to be a minds reader to see that.

But now that you have asked,

I can juggle bottles as well...

Why? You wanna learn?

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Re: 82% - 18% partition solution.

Postby magikthrill » Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:57 am

Piratis wrote:8 ) They will not have to deal with extremists like me



LoL. I think this statement will convince most TCs to accept your partition plan!

Also, as far as economy is concerned I agree with turkcup that the only reason the north is 3rd world-ish is because of the sanctions. Otherwise they do have prospects to develop, more than Turkey certainly since they are much more educated. Also I assume that TCs are more secular than the Turks, something which can be seen from the way the settlers dress versus the TCs (at least this is what I noticed so just an assumption)
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Postby -mikkie2- » Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:19 am

Turkcyp,

What I believe and what you think I believe are two different things!
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Postby turkcyp » Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:33 am

-mikkie2- wrote:Turkcyp,

What I believe and what you think I believe are two different things!


No doubt!

I am sure there can be discrepancy otherwise I would be a mind reader as you have suggested. :)

I just wrote what I think you think. Whether there is merit to it, only but only you can answer.

Anyway I guess not interested in learning how to juggle huh?

Take care,
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Postby Bananiot » Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:01 am

So, Piratis is now lobbying for a velvet partition. Papadopoulos started this with his pseudo lecture in Helsinki where he claimed that partition is the next best solution (apart from HIS idea of solution that he is so careful not to disclose). I find Metecyp's comments very palatable and the idea of living in a united Cyprus in a multi cultural society is not just ok with me but it is worth struggling for. Lets do away with our xenophobic, introvert nature. Give political equality to the communities a chance. The sky is the limit!
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Postby Piratis » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:16 am

So, Piratis is now lobbying for a velvet partition.

The first time I've heard somebody arguing about velvet partition was some "yes" supporters on NET (TV channel). They said that if Annan plan didn't work out then we would have this "velvet partition" and that was no problem for them.
The problem with such kind of "velvet" partition, is that it would mean a much larger percentage under the TC country, and it would happen only after we go broke, and after we voluntarily destroyed RoC.

The aim is unification where people are unified. "Unification" where people are separated based on race is not unification. I said many times that such thing can not happen overnight, and I would be more than willing to go over a long (but specific) transitional period, so my kids and grandkids will be able to live in a truly unified island.

However just to have the name "united" and just having one more culture in the country, is not enough reason to give up democracy and human rights permanently. I would be more than glad if cultures could live together peacefully. Unfortunately some others decided that these cultures can not be together, and that they should stay separate. Therefore, yes, standard partition is better than a disguised one if true unification can not be achieved.
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Postby Alexandros Lordos » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:49 am

metecyp wrote:
Alexandros Lordos wrote:The only things we would have to sacrifice are the rights of refugees and the integrity of Cyprus for the comng generations.

What about the benefits of the coming generations living in a diverse environment? Most people oversee this but I think it's really important. My grandfather used to speak Greek almost better than Turkish and now I can't speak a word of Greek, I see this an erosion of culture and I want my children to live in a diverse multilingual environment. I don't know what GC friends think about this, maybe they're not so interested in learning Turkish or learning from Turkish culture.


Mete,

I fully agree with you! Actually, this is personally my primary motive for wanting a Solution.
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Postby Bananiot » Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:05 am

Piratis, you are such an expert at misinforming, almost as bad as Papa (qui) himself! People that voted for a solution did so mainly to avoid partition or europartition (according to some). Its pathetic to say that we prefer partition. The only person I know that has confessed to such a barbarity publically (besides Papa qui) is you and we all know what you voted and what your sentiments are.
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Postby magikthrill » Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:08 am

Alexandros Lordos wrote:
metecyp wrote:
Alexandros Lordos wrote:The only things we would have to sacrifice are the rights of refugees and the integrity of Cyprus for the comng generations.

What about the benefits of the coming generations living in a diverse environment? Most people oversee this but I think it's really important. My grandfather used to speak Greek almost better than Turkish and now I can't speak a word of Greek, I see this an erosion of culture and I want my children to live in a diverse multilingual environment. I don't know what GC friends think about this, maybe they're not so interested in learning Turkish or learning from Turkish culture.


Mete,

I fully agree with you! Actually, this is personally my primary motive for wanting a Solution.


quote after quote :)

I agree with both of you. BUt at the same time a solution will reqruie compromises, which are ok but up to an extent. But after a certain amount of compromises the communities will not be satisfied, and this will only lead to instability which is something nobody wants. [/img]
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