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Postby BirKibrisli » Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:06 am

We seem to have to reinvent the wheel every time someone new joins the forum...aapapa is right to be puzzled of course...why oh why do we spend so much time regurgitating the past????The simple answer aapapa is that we have not learned anything from the past...We have become frozen in a timezone or two timezones to be exact (1955 to 1974 and post 1974) because we have refused to take the neccessary steps to help get us over our historical fear and distrust of each other...Most of us even refuse to accept that we are one people,one nation,divided by two artificial factors (language and religion)...Most of us refuse to see how foreign interests have gone about dividing and ruling us...Most of us refuse to see that the only just and lasting solution is to embrace our Cypriotness and reunify around our legal Constitution....Most of us knowingly or unknowingly indulge in propaganda activities,making sure that the division and scars of our homeland can never be healed...Most of us are too scared to acknowledge that empathy and compassion ,not fear and resentment and insults and hatred,are the only way forward....Most of us are too happy to see the status quo continue,because what you are familier with ,however imperfect,feels more right,secure and comfortable...
To cut a long story short,aapapa,we have not evolved much as human beings since the times of the cavemen and cavewomen...We just pretend we have...Scratch the surface and we are like wild animals desperately defending our own territory against the barbarian hordes who want to come and take our fire from us....That is why we keep repeating the mistakes of then past...The future is toooooscarrrryyyy for most of us....
What do they say??? The future is a foreign country??? Do they really say that or is my mind playing tricks on me???? :wink: :lol:
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Postby bigOz » Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:59 am

Oh well! here we go:

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Postby humanist » Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:37 am

Sometimes we need to let go of our victim role, rise above, be strong and move forward,
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:46 am

[quote="aapapa"][quote="Eliko"]aapapa, Welcome to the forum and best wishes, must say I don't get your point when you ask ''What is Turkey afraid of ?''.

It would appear that they are afraid of nothing. :roll:[/quote]

They must be afraid of something. You don't keep 40,000 troops to "protect" at best 200,000 people, ratio 1 soldier to 5 people when facing you is an army of what 10, 15 thousand without air or sea support. I am guessing :wink: that their presence in Cyprus has nothing to do with either he TC's or the GC's.[/quote]


Firstly I must say welcome to aapapa and good luck. You are very wise to join our forum (sorry, the Cyprus Forum, how rude of me) where you will come accross lots of opnions, facts and fallacies. Somewhere in between this muddle you will find the truth.

I would say that Turkey is more "wary" than "scared" of allowing Cyprus its "independence" thus allowing full "Hellenism" to take place, which might lead eventually to Enosis. Thus being surrounded by 'the enemy in a Greek lake'. That is my opinion. Apart from that the turkish Army need not be in Cyprus.
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Postby bigOz » Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:49 am

humanist wrote:Sometimes we need to let go of our victim role, rise above, be strong and move forward,

Humanist, I agree people should get over things and move forward but I will not agree with the term "role". No one is play-acting! There were undeniable victims from both sides during the different stages of this saga.

I think the terminology should be "We should let go of the past by using the experience to create a better future, where there will be no repetitions of the past mistakes". If the members in this forum are representative of the GC demographics, it is evident that there are quite a few GCs who are not prepared to do just that. :(
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:58 am

Birkibrisli wrote:Most of us are too scared to acknowledge that empathy and compassion ,not fear and resentment and insults and hatred,are the only way forward....Most of us are too happy to see the status quo continue,because what you are familier with ,however imperfect,feels more right,secure and comfortable...
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Totally agree with you Bir.

The sad part of the whole Cyprus problem at the present time is, that it is the TC's who are losing out from prospering while the status quo continues, just because it fits perfectly well with some who are able to dictate for the rest, that what they have now is better than a Unified Cyprus, or at the very least, is to keep hanging in there with the present situation until Partition and full Recognition that may come sometime in the future. When in the future no one knows ofcourse, if ever, but the RoC is just moving forward with every passing year developing further and further ahead of the TC's economically and politically which strengthens their position against the TC's in future negotiations for a settlement. AP rejection by the RoC was a prime example, because they were able to say NO from point of "strength and not weakness". This factor will only get stronger and stronger for the GC's as they benefit greater by being in the EU, while the TC's wait for Partition and Recognition to play catch up sometime in the future.

We TC's do have various concerns in a Unified Cyprus, and no one denies these claims, but what disappoints me the most is, Talat is able to call off a meeting arranged with PapaD under the July 8th agreement which both parties agreed to attend, but did not, over a stupid football game, regardless whether or not these meetings would have produced any results. It just furthered the status quo, further. Perhaps TC's believe that by having 40,000 Turkish Troops and holding on to the 37% of Cyprus gives us the advantage to negotiate through "strength" over the RoC's economical and political strength. To be honest, I don't know which one is more right than the other, but what is very clear to me is, that the RoC is gaining economical and political strength every passing minute, while the TC's are just gaining more time in the "hopes" of achieving our own independent state.

If the TC's cannot put on a friendly game of football without the authorization of the RoC, just exactly what is it that we can do politically to become a "independent state", other than wait for the world to ignore the international rules that they want to be governed by, so that they can help us. In the meantime, the status quo remains for the TC's and greater gains for the RoC.
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:38 pm

[quote="Kikapu"][quote="Birkibrisli"]Most of us are too scared to acknowledge that empathy and compassion ,not fear and resentment and insults and hatred,are the only way forward....Most of us are too happy to see the status quo continue,because what you are familier with ,however imperfect,feels more right,secure and comfortable...
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Totally agree with you Bir.

The sad part of the whole Cyprus problem at the present time is, that it is the TC's who are losing out from prospering while the status quo continues, just because it fits perfectly well with some who are able to dictate for the rest, that what they have now is better than a Unified Cyprus, or at the very least, is to keep hanging in there with the present situation until Partition and full Recognition that may come sometime in the future. When in the future no one knows ofcourse, if ever, but the RoC is just moving forward with every passing year developing further and further ahead of the TC's economically and politically which strengthens their position against the TC's in future negotiations for a settlement. AP rejection by the RoC was a prime example, because they were able to say NO from point of "strength and not weakness". This factor will only get stronger and stronger for the GC's as they benefit greater by being in the EU, while the TC's wait for Partition and Recognition to play catch up sometime in the future.

We TC's do have various concerns in a Unified Cyprus, and no one denies these claims, but what disappoints me the most is, Talat is able to call off a meeting arranged with PapaD under the July 8th agreement which both parties agreed to attend, but did not, over a stupid football game, regardless whether or not these meetings would have produced any results. It just furthered the status quo, further. Perhaps TC's believe that by having 40,000 Turkish Troops and holding on to the 37% of Cyprus gives us the advantage to negotiate through "strength" over the RoC's economical and political strength. To be honest, I don't know which one is more right than the other, but what is very clear to me is, that the RoC is gaining economical and political strength every passing minute, while the TC's are just gaining more time in the "[b]hopes[/b]" of achieving our own independent state.

If the TC's cannot put on a friendly game of football without the authorization of the RoC, just exactly what is it that we can do politically to become a "independent state", other than wait for the world to ignore the international rules that they want to be governed by, so that they can help us. In the meantime, the status quo remains for the TC's and greater gains for the RoC.[/quote]

I could not have put it better than you have, Kikapu
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Postby DT. » Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:06 pm

bigOz wrote:
humanist wrote:Sometimes we need to let go of our victim role, rise above, be strong and move forward,

Humanist, I agree people should get over things and move forward but I will not agree with the term "role". No one is play-acting! There were undeniable victims from both sides during the different stages of this saga.

I think the terminology should be "We should let go of the past by using the experience to create a better future, where there will be no repetitions of the past mistakes". If the members in this forum are representative of the GC demographics, it is evident that there are quite a few GCs who are not prepared to do just that. :(


sorry to point the obvious BigOz but i'd say there is at least the same number if TC's on this forum who are not prepared to let go of the past by using the experience to create a better future, where there will be no repetitions of the past mistakes.... :wink:
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Postby aapapa » Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:52 pm

bigdog wrote:When you choose to emigrate you choose the nationality of your off your future children , Where you are born is where you are from and you should be greatfull for the privlage !


Abit of advise! Next time you meet a Welshman in London, don't call him 'English' unless you like to wear a black eye that is.
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Postby aapapa » Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:04 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
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Eliko wrote:aapapa, Welcome to the forum and best wishes, must say I don't get your point when you ask ''What is Turkey afraid of ?''.

It would appear that they are afraid of nothing. :roll:


They must be afraid of something. You don't keep 40,000 troops to "protect" at best 200,000 people, ratio 1 soldier to 5 people when facing you is an army of what 10, 15 thousand without air or sea support. I am guessing :wink: that their presence in Cyprus has nothing to do with either he TC's or the GC's.



Firstly I must say welcome to aapapa and good luck. You are very wise to join our forum (sorry, the Cyprus Forum, how rude of me) where you will come accross lots of opnions, facts and fallacies. Somewhere in between this muddle you will find the truth.

I would say that Turkey is more "wary" than "scared" of allowing Cyprus its "independence" thus allowing full "Hellenism" to take place, which might lead eventually to Enosis. Thus being surrounded by 'the enemy in a Greek lake'. That is my opinion. Apart from that the turkish Army need not be in Cyprus.
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Thank you for your kind welcome to the forum. Let's accept that Turkey are "wary". But surely the answer lies in Turkey doing everything in it's power, and I mean everything, to secure a place in the EU. That way security lies. Of course, as with the rest of the EU countries Turkey will have to make decisions and take actions that will be painful. But as the Americans say "No pain, No gain"
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