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[aapapa]

welcome to the forum aapapa! but turkey does not join eu because they refuse to comply with the laws to join... is that what your sying why cant turkey join because of something that happend 30 40 or 50 years ago?

No absolutely not. I am trying to understand what they fear so much and refuse to adopt laws and regulation that will mean they join the EU, something which will benefit them and the Turkish people much, much more than the Europeans.
I am trying to say that both sides by looking back all the time they have build a wall which although is not a physical one is much higher and stronger than the Berlin wall ever was.
All dividing walls are build on fear. This fear in this case, looking at the world as it is now, is irrational and is fuelled by propaganda. What is it achieving for the GC's and more to the point what is it achieving for the TC's

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

I would prefer to just use the term Cypriots for whoever lives here. Don't forget that there are many, many people here from various ethnic groups who have adopted Cypriot nationality. However I was using Greeks and Turks to distinguish between the two main ethnic groups which live here, ie Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots.

I know for a fact that most of the Turkish Cypriots I have spoken to, or the ones under 30 say, have no idea who Maronites are or that there are Armenian communities in Cyprus also.

[Viewpoint]

welcome to the forum aapapa! but turkey does not join eu because they refuse to comply with the laws to join... is that what your sying why cant turkey join because of something that happend 30 40 or 50 years ago?

No absolutely not. I am trying to understand what they fear so much and refuse to adopt laws and regulation that will mean they join the EU, something which will benefit them and the Turkish people much, much more than the Europeans.
I am trying to say that both sides by looking back all the time they have build a wall which although is not a physical one is much higher and stronger than the Berlin wall ever was.
All dividing walls are build on fear. This fear in this case, looking at the world as it is now, is irrational and is fuelled by propaganda. What is it achieving for the GC's and more to the point what is it achieving for the TC's

Firstly welcome to the forum.

My first question is do you know any TCs?

Then my question is if you were a TC would you like be a minority living in a GC state run by GCs with the bad history we have had?

[aapapa]

welcome to the forum aapapa! but turkey does not join eu because they refuse to comply with the laws to join... is that what your sying why cant turkey join because of something that happend 30 40 or 50 years ago?

No absolutely not. I am trying to understand what they fear so much and refuse to adopt laws and regulation that will mean they join the EU, something which will benefit them and the Turkish people much, much more than the Europeans.
I am trying to say that both sides by looking back all the time they have build a wall which although is not a physical one is much higher and stronger than the Berlin wall ever was.
All dividing walls are build on fear. This fear in this case, looking at the world as it is now, is irrational and is fuelled by propaganda. What is it achieving for the GC's and more to the point what is it achieving for the TC's

Firstly welcome to the forum.

My first question is do you know any TCs?

Then my question is if you were a TC would you like be a minority living in a GC state run by GCs with the bad history we have had?

I grew up in England and there I knew TC's. Most GC's and TC's live and work side by side without any problem in the UK. They can teach us a lesson don't you think.
As for your second point of minorities, don't you see that within the EU we are all equal minorities. Which brings me back to my point of not looking back but instead looking forward within the parameters of today's world and not the one of yesteryear.

[paliometoxo]

welcome to the forum aapapa! but turkey does not join eu because they refuse to comply with the laws to join... is that what your sying why cant turkey join because of something that happend 30 40 or 50 years ago?

No absolutely not. I am trying to understand what they fear so much and refuse to adopt laws and regulation that will mean they join the EU, something which will benefit them and the Turkish people much, much more than the Europeans.
I am trying to say that both sides by looking back all the time they have build a wall which although is not a physical one is much higher and stronger than the Berlin wall ever was.
All dividing walls are build on fear. This fear in this case, looking at the world as it is now, is irrational and is fuelled by propaganda. What is it achieving for the GC's and more to the point what is it achieving for the TC's

thanks for clearning this up...

i agree why hol onto the past.. look to the future a brighter one

[paliometoxo]

your right in england i had turkish friends also and when you are born and raised in another country you are not tought hate for the other side you get along you hang out no problems i had two great friends from turkey football players my auntie friends with their mum and she came to visit c once also very nice people espesialy their mum she was very nice to me also so we can learn from them take their example and not learn to hate the other side.

[bigdog]

If you are born in England you are English , if you are born in France you are French , if you are born in Greece you are Greek , if you are born in Turkey you are Turkish . It does not matter where your parents are from if you are born in the country they choose to adopt that is where you are from and whose morals and culture you should live by and support . If that is a problem there is a plane every day to where your folks came from .
People need to try to get on together and not condemn other country's who offer them hospitality

[paliometoxo]

no its where your perants are from not where you are born... how does being born in england make you english when you have no english blood in you...

[bigdog]

When you choose to emigrate you choose the nationality of your off your future children , Where you are born is where you are from and you should be greatfull for the privlage !

[Viewpoint]

welcome to the forum aapapa! but turkey does not join eu because they refuse to comply with the laws to join... is that what your sying why cant turkey join because of something that happend 30 40 or 50 years ago?

No absolutely not. I am trying to understand what they fear so much and refuse to adopt laws and regulation that will mean they join the EU, something which will benefit them and the Turkish people much, much more than the Europeans.
I am trying to say that both sides by looking back all the time they have build a wall which although is not a physical one is much higher and stronger than the Berlin wall ever was.
All dividing walls are build on fear. This fear in this case, looking at the world as it is now, is irrational and is fuelled by propaganda. What is it achieving for the GC's and more to the point what is it achieving for the TC's

Firstly welcome to the forum.

My first question is do you know any TCs?

Then my question is if you were a TC would you like be a minority living in a GC state run by GCs with the bad history we have had?

I grew up in England and there I knew TC's. Most GC's and TC's live and work side by side without any problem in the UK. They can teach us a lesson don't you think.
As for your second point of minorities, don't you see that within the EU we are all equal minorities. Which brings me back to my point of not looking back but instead looking forward within the parameters of today's world and not the one of yesteryear.

The TCs and Gcs in the UK are totally different because they all live under the laws and rule of the Brits, we are not like that everything changes when you ahve to share power.

You are comfortable in the knowledge that you are 80% of the population and I would be reduced to minority status just like the Indians in the UK always fighting for their rights, against discrimination and prejduiced, they are also in the EU. Please try to understand how we feel we are partners on this island and demand our right to have an effective say in our future. We do not want to be ruled purely by GCs and if we were ever to reunite the GCs woudl have to accept someting along the lines of the AP or else the status quo will one day develop into recognized partition.