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[humanist]

Of course T_C everything is Greek propaganda, tuskish Cypritos have never done anything against Greek speaking Cypritos and Greek Cypriots are the monsters who started everything and are still perpetuating their violent approach on Turkish speaking Cypriots . Thank God for Turkey intervening to save you for the world's most vilent, uncaring, pathetic race on earth.

[Get Real!]

TCs..we have FAILED to get our story accross to the world!

WHY???????????????????????????

Ermm, because the Hodja was not authorized to bless hand grenades so they couldn't be used?

[Viewpoint]

Of course T_C everything is Greek propaganda, tuskish Cypritos have never done anything against Greek speaking Cypritos and Greek Cypriots are the monsters who started everything and are still perpetuating their violent approach on Turkish speaking Cypriots . Thank God for Turkey intervening to save you for the world's most vilent, uncaring, pathetic race on earth.

Amen

[boulio]

During the 20th July 1974, and in the days following thereafter, elements of the Cyprus National Guard under coup-control and EOKA-B laid siege to a number of Turkish Cypriot enclaves and villages across the island. This offensive inflicted mass casualties, and also saw many Turkish Cypriots taken as prisoners of war, by which time the island was at a state of total war. The main combat during this offensive was between Greek Cypriot fighting units and the Turkish Cypriot TMT organisation, the latter of which numbered about 9000 men (Cooper, Tselepidis; 2003).

[Piratis]

Yeah right Piratis TMT was trying to divide the island with their ''GUNS'' made out of PIPES, HANGERS and SPRINGS...give me a break PLEASE.

Its obvious what the TMT started as...they WERE defending themselves to begin with. I'm not saying they were innocent because I'm SURE they killed innocent people too but they WERE retaliating to EOKA!

And I know they got proper weapons afterwards and again I'm sure more carnage followed but no matter how much you try and twist the story the beginning of the Cyprus Problem came from the Greeks and not from the TCs wanting Taksim!!!

Even the slogan ''Ya Taksim ya ölüm'' says it all...It DOESNT mean ''Its either Taksim or we'd rather die'' but rahter ''Its either Taksim or we ARE going to die''

Its SO obvious and I will show you just how obvious it is. I'll even show you these ''guns'' TMT started with compared to the machine guns that were siezed from EOKA and you tell me if it really started as ''intercommunal violence'' or for the sake of Taksim...

I'm disgusted at the TCs!!! We have SO MUCH evidence in Cyprus about what REALLY happened before the invasion and we just sit there trying to knock sense into people like Piratis who think they know what theyre talking about...

TCs..we have FAILED to get our story accross to the world!

WHY???????????????????????????

TCs dream has been, is, and will continue to be partition. They have done and they continue doing everything they can to achieve this.

This is SO obvious I really don't need to say anything more about it.

And since you don't like GC sources, how about British anti-GC sources like the one below talking about the events in the late 50s.

The Turkish community was whipped into a frenzy by broadcasts from Turkey calling for the partition of Cyprus. Violence between the turks and Cypriots broke out in early June and climaxed when eight Greeks were massacred in a cornfield near the Turkish village of Geunyeli.
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/war.html

We fought against the colonialists not against TCs. The TCs are the ones who started the fight against us, when they collaborated with the colonialists and later with Turkey, in order to prevent Cypriots to democratically choose the destiny of their country and for TCs to achieve their dream of partition.

Here is again the UN resolution about decolonization which states clearly that integration with another country is a legitimate option for all territories that are being decolonized, if this is what the people of the territory choose in a democratic way:
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

We didn't wake up one day and thought "oh, lets start a fight with the TCs". We simply had enough of foreigners ruling our island against our will and we revolted against them as it was our right.

This is the root of the Cyprus problem: That Cyprus was never allowed to be free. The TC minority was simply used by those foreigners to prevent Cypriots from achieving a full liberation of our country, since both Britain and Turkey wanted a part of Cyprus for their own geopolitical interests. As simple as that.

And please don't tell me about TCs fighting with "pipes and hangers". The TCs were fully armed by Turkey right from the beginning. Not only weapons were send to them, but also officers from the Turkish army to organize them. This explains how both GCs and TCs had about the same amount of casualties during that conflict.

[T_C]

NO MATE!

TCs ''dream'' was never to partition Cyprus...it was THE ONLY OPTION LEFT under the circumstances!!!

Archbishop Makarios and Colonel George Grivas, a right wing, Cypriot-born Greek Army officer, founded Eoka in the early 50s, while both were still in Athens. Their aim for Cyprus was enosis - union with Greece after gaining the island's independence from the British, who had ruled the Island since 1878 when they had acquired it from Turkey on a long lease. Grivas had no love for Turks and saw no future role for them in Cyprus, where, in the 1950s, they formed 20 per cent of the population and whose interests the UK Government had to take account.

In 1954, with the blessing of the Greek Government and the Orthodox Church, Grivas drew up plans for his terrorist campaign. With Makarios, he set about recruiting Eoka members in churches, schools and colleges. By his own statements, they could be trained as 'better' terrorists than their elders and would follow his orders without question. He also believed that the police and military personnel would be inhibited to take strong counter-measures against these young people, some not even in their teens. Every recruit took an oath administered by a priest.

OK so we begin with the creator of EOKA...A TURK HATER!!!

The Eoka campaign was launched on 1 April 1955 and lasted - officially - until 31 March 1959. During this period up to 35,000 British troops were expected to break Eoka and restore peace to Cyprus.

Greek Cypriots who did not wish to support Eoka were executed on the direct orders of Colonel Grivas, the terrorist leader. Among those who chose to support the organization were several senior Greek Cypriot police officers and priests.

During the four-year run of Eoka terrorism, Britons, Turks and Greek Cypriots came under attack. These were the very people Grivas claimed he was liberating from the yoke of British colonialism.

But, in fact, Eoka killed more Greek Cypriots than Britons and Turks together as it promoted itself as an organization of gallant 'freedom fighters', a myth still taught in Greek schools.

This must of been really reassuring for the TCs when EOKA were even butchering GREEK CYPRIOTS!!!

AGAINST this background, the Turks of Cyprus were ultimately forced to form their own underground organisation, the TMT. It was designed, said their politicians, to protect themselves against Greek assaults.

As far as the Turks were concerned, Enosis - union with Greece for Cyprus - was completely out of the question (and for bloody good reason!!!)and, if Britain were to give the Island independence, then they demanded Taksim or division of the island (and for bloody good reason!!!) between the two populations.

Eventually, under pressure from the United States and the United Kingdom, mainland Greece and Turkey agreed Cyprus should become a co-partnership Republic, with a Greek Cypriot President and a Turkish Cypriot Vice-President.

For its part, the United Kingdom agreed to grant independence to all but 99 square miles of the Island, which would remain Sovereign property, until London decided otherwise. Here the UK established two military bases from which the Middle East and parts of the Communist bloc countries could be monitored. The bases would be home for a large rapid reaction-force ready to face any contingency.

On 04.04.59, Makarios began lining up former EOKA terrorists for ministerial posts in the post-independence government. To give them experience, they joined what was called the 'Transition Committee'. Its members worked alongside British officials who, until the London Agreements were signed, had been trying to hunt down.

From the outset, President Makarios did not accept the permanence of the co-partnership arrangements and saw the independent Supreme Court as a temporary measure. By late 1963, he was trying to amend the Constitution to remove the Turks' minority rights. He also promised his people that enosis would take place, an anathema to the Cypriot Turks - and Turkey, which was not prepared to allow Greece to control its southern seaways. Turkey is a mere 40 miles from the north coast of Cyprus.

Again THIS is why everything went downhill!! With the TCs reduced to nothing but minority it would mean that 1) they were left in the hands of Grivas and EOKA and 2) would mean that Turkey would be surrounded by Greece!!

NATO, fearing Turkey might launch a full-scale invasion in support of its Island cousins and cause the partition of Cyprus, offered to send a 'Peace' Force, recruited from its own ranks, hoping it would prevent all-out war between two members of the organization, which had been created by the United States for the defense of Europe against Soviet expansion.

Makarios, who was busy working to become the leader of the 'Third World' or non-aligned nations, including Egypt and Yugoslavia, refused to accept a NATO force and opted instead for a much weaker UN Force (UNFICYP), which could act only with his approval.

The Greek Cypriots now held all the reins of power and represented the Island in all foreign fora, including the United Nations. They, in particular, received considerable support in the General Assembly. The Turkish Cypriots, confined largely to enclaves scattered throughout the island, with no access to communications, had only one tiny port on the north coast through which they could acquire food and medical aid provided by Turkey, just 40 miles away across the water. They called the port Erenkoy (the Greeks knew it as Kokkina) and, in August 1964, held off an assault of several thousand well-armed and trained Greek soldiers led by Grivas, now promoted to General, with fewer than 800 defenders, mostly students who had given up their studies to return home from abroad.

Bearing all this in mind it amazes me that you claim Taksim was the TCs ''dream''

BY 2007, the Greek Cypriot Government of the Republic of (South) Cyprus was still regarded by the UN Nations as the only legitimate authority of the whole island. It was also a member of the EU. Many former Eoka members still held senior positions in the administration, with Tassos Papadopoulos as President. He was one of Eoka's key players in Nicosia. In 1964, he had advocated the immediate extermination of all Cypriot Turks should Turkey invade.

Former RoC President Glafcos Clerides was also a leading member of Eoka. He was alleged to have been in command of Nicosia's Ledra Street - 'Murder Mile' - assassins, who included Nicos Sampson.

Clerides, an RAF navigator in World War II, was a London-trained and highly skilled lawyer. During the Eoka period, in addition to his other activities, he acted as defence attorney for terrorist suspects arrested, charged and tried by the British.

Nicos Sampson, who posed as a photojournalist, was one of the worst terrorists. His favourite targets were unarmed British service personnel, police officers and civilian families out shopping in Ledra Street. He shot them in the back and then photographed their bodies for publication in the local press.

For a period in 1955-56 Charles Foley, the editor of The Times of Cyprus employed Sampson as a freelance. Foley later befriended Grivas for whom he ghosted the terrorist's 'autobiography'. The editor's personal lawyer was Glafcos Clerides.

You can believe what you want mate but TCs didnt want the partition of Cyprus, but given Makarios and Grivas' wishes and how they went about getting them I would of been VERY suprised if TCs ALONG WITH Turkey didnt act upon what was happenening because it effected them BOTH!

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cypru ... anted.html

[humanist]

turkish_cypriot

You can believe what you want mate but TCs didnt want the partition of Cyprus, but given Makarios and Grivas' wishes and how they went about getting them I would of been VERY suprised if TCs ALONG WITH Turkey didnt act upon what was happenening because it effected them BOTH!

T_C I agree with you on this one that TC's did not want partition. However I do not agree that Turkey did not have any interest in the Cyprus issue. It was a good oportune time to occupy half the Island as she knew she could rule the Turkish speaking Cypriot community and keep it suppressed to meet its own needs. Enough blaming of the RoC for the current suffrage of Turkish speaking Cypriots. Turkey needs to take responsibility and to allow a unification of Cyprus so that your people do not have to face any economic and social isolation further.

We can all do the past over and over till the cows come home or we could all accept the wrongs on both sides and move forward in a unified people of Cyprus and a unified Island that has the ability to propser and succceed among the international arena.

[denizaksulu]

[quote="humanist"]turkish_cypriot[quote]You can believe what you want mate but TCs didnt want the partition of Cyprus, but given Makarios and Grivas' wishes and how they went about getting them I would of been VERY suprised if TCs ALONG WITH Turkey didnt act upon what was happenening because it effected them BOTH![/quote]

T_C I agree with you on this one that TC's did not want partition. However I do not agree that Turkey did not have any interest in the Cyprus issue. It was a good oportune time to occupy half the Island as she knew she could rule the Turkish speaking Cypriot community and keep it suppressed to meet its own needs. Enough blaming of the RoC for the current suffrage of Turkish speaking Cypriots. Turkey needs to take responsibility and to allow a unification of Cyprus so that your people do not have to face any economic and social isolation further.

We can all do the past over and over till the cows come home or we could all accept the wrongs on both sides and move forward in a unified people of Cyprus and a unified Island that has the ability to propser and succceed among the international arena.[/quote]

You are finally showing your humanity - Humanist. Not a bad post.
Maybe it was our misfortune that Turkey had ulterior motives re: Cyprus rather than 'protect' us.
Lets hope you do not blame TCs for this and the formation of TMT. If the question of partition came up it was only for the sole purpose of "if the GCs want enosis" , then "they can have their bit and we can have ours" this was the last resort.
Pity the GCs did not see that.
Regards
DA

[bigOz]

turkish_cypriot

You can believe what you want mate but TCs didnt want the partition of Cyprus, but given Makarios and Grivas' wishes and how they went about getting them I would of been VERY suprised if TCs ALONG WITH Turkey didnt act upon what was happenening because it effected them BOTH!

T_C I agree with you on this one that TC's did not want partition. However I do not agree that Turkey did not have any interest in the Cyprus issue. It was a good oportune time to occupy half the Island as she knew she could rule the Turkish speaking Cypriot community and keep it suppressed to meet its own needs. Enough blaming of the RoC for the current suffrage of Turkish speaking Cypriots. Turkey needs to take responsibility and to allow a unification of Cyprus so that your people do not have to face any economic and social isolation further.

We can all do the past over and over till the cows come home or we could all accept the wrongs on both sides and move forward in a unified people of Cyprus and a unified Island that has the ability to propser and succceed among the international arena.

You are finally showing your humanity - Humanist. Not a bad post.
Maybe it was our misfortune that Turkey had ulterior motives re: Cyprus rather than 'protect' us.
Lets hope you do not blame TCs for this and the formation of TMT. If the question of partition came up it was only for the sole purpose of "if the GCs want enosis" , then "they can have their bit and we can have ours" this was the last resort.
Pity the GCs did not see that.
Regards
DA

Great post by TC but I beg to disagree with some of the subsequent comments. Turkey's interests in Cyprus were two fold:

Subjected to hostile attack & occupation from Greece and by others soon after the first world war, Turkey had political and military interests in Cyprus, in terms of any illegal action that would have changed the military balance between Greece and Turkey in the Med (surrounding Turkish mainland). This could have been any Greek island close to Turkey being militarised and not just Cyprus becoming a Greek CUNTA ruled mass of land right up her arse!

The simple truth is (as clearly quoted by TC) - if it were not for the initial EOKA and ENOSIS dreams, there would have been no wars between the two communities (just like the 350 years they lived together before), no hatred and probably a single Cyprus nation that would speak both Greek and Turkish as well as English - something many people, in increasing numbers, did prior to 1963 troubles!

I accept that ENOSIS demands lead to Turkish nationalism and growing calls for partition from the TCs to the extent where both sides started inflicting casualties on each other. As from then on, the seeds of hatred and revenge were planted firmly. Being greater in numbers and feeling they could get away with it, EOKA-B and the RoC government at the time (1963) set on a course of ethnic cleansing, details/examples of which had been quoted hundred times in this forum, and pursuing Enosis.

Above being the case, I will never agree with any contention that Turkey and her interests were the cause of Cyprus problem, or Turkey actively planned in any way, the destruction of the Republic. I never claimed or claim what happened to GCs subsequently was fair on them. I also feel much sympathy and sadness for their losses (besides those by the TCs) in terms of human life. But where do we go from here? That is the question to be asked now and not this nonsensical denial of guilt, or looking in other directions for the source of conflict when it is blatantly staring us all in the eye...

[denizaksulu]

[quote="bigOz"][quote="denizaksulu"][quote="humanist"]turkish_cypriot[quote]You can believe what you want mate but TCs didnt want the partition of Cyprus, but given Makarios and Grivas' wishes and how they went about getting them I would of been VERY suprised if TCs ALONG WITH Turkey didnt act upon what was happenening because it effected them BOTH![/quote]

T_C I agree with you on this one that TC's did not want partition. However I do not agree that Turkey did not have any interest in the Cyprus issue. It was a good oportune time to occupy half the Island as she knew she could rule the Turkish speaking Cypriot community and keep it suppressed to meet its own needs. Enough blaming of the RoC for the current suffrage of Turkish speaking Cypriots. Turkey needs to take responsibility and to allow a unification of Cyprus so that your people do not have to face any economic and social isolation further.

We can all do the past over and over till the cows come home or we could all accept the wrongs on both sides and move forward in a unified people of Cyprus and a unified Island that has the ability to propser and succceed among the international arena.[/quote]

You are finally showing your humanity - Humanist. Not a bad post.
Maybe it was our misfortune that Turkey had ulterior motives re: Cyprus rather than 'protect' us.
Lets hope you do not blame TCs for this and the formation of TMT. If the question of partition came up it was only for the sole purpose of "if the GCs want enosis" , then "they can have their bit and we can have ours" this was the last resort.
Pity the GCs did not see that.
Regards
DA[/quote]
Great post by TC but I beg to disagree with some of the subsequent comments. Turkey's interests in Cyprus were two fold:

Subjected to hostile attack & occupation from Greece and by others soon after the first world war, Turkey had political and military interests in Cyprus, in terms of any illegal action that would have changed the military balance between Greece and Turkey in the Med (surrounding Turkish mainland). This could have been any Greek island close to Turkey being militarised and not just Cyprus becoming a Greek CUNTA ruled mass of land right up her arse!

The simple truth is (as clearly quoted by TC) - if it were not for the initial EOKA and ENOSIS dreams, there would have been no wars between the two communities (just like the 350 years they lived together before), no hatred and probably a single Cyprus nation that would speak both Greek and Turkish as well as English - something many people, in increasing numbers, did prior to 1963 troubles!

I accept that ENOSIS demands lead to Turkish nationalism and growing calls for partition from the TCs to the extent where both sides started inflicting casualties on each other. As from then on, the seeds of hatred and revenge were planted firmly. Being greater in numbers and feeling they could get away with it, EOKA-B and the RoC government at the time (1963) set on a course of ethnic cleansing, details/examples of which had been quoted hundred times in this forum, and pursuing Enosis.

Above being the case, I will never agree with any contention that Turkey and her interests were the cause of Cyprus problem, or Turkey actively planned in any way, the destruction of the Republic. I never claimed or claim what happened to GCs subsequently was fair on them. I also feel much sympathy and sadness for their losses (besides those by the TCs) in terms of human life. But where do we go from here? That is the question to be asked now and not this nonsensical denial of guilt, or looking in other directions for the source of conflict when it is blatantly staring us all in the eye...[/quote]

Well represented BigOz
Regards
DA