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[Piratis]

These old gramaphone players are so resilient. I wonder where they were made!! Same old tune, same old song Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Get over it.

I didn't see you saying anything about the gramophones that play their distorted version of the "63-74 tune" every day, trying to excuse crimes and illegalities that they insist on committing today and for the last 33 years.

There is nothing "old" with the illegal occupation of our country. It is happening right now as we speak. If you believe that we will just get tired and write off what is stolen from us then you are mistaken.

[Pyrpolizer]

threat for their minority my ass

And without further comment:

From Archbishop Makarios III address the UN Security Council on Friday 19 July 1974:

"As I have already stated, the events in Cyprus do not constitute an internal matter of the Greeks of Cyprus. The Turks of Cyprus are also affected. The coup of the Greek junta is an invasion, and from its consequences the whole people of Cyprus suffers, both Greeks and Turks. The United Nations has a peace-keeping force stationed in Cyprus. It is not possible for the role of that peace-keeping force to be effective under conditions of a military coup."

WASN'T MAKARIOS THE ONE WHO ALSO SAID "UNTIL THIS FILTHY NASTY MINORITY THE TURKS EXIST IN CYPRUS....."

SO WHEN EXACTLY ARE YOU GOING TO REALISE THIS MAN WAS NOTHING LESS THAN A DEMAGOGUE WHO WAS ONLY LOOKING FOR HIS PERSONAL INTEREST AND WAS ONLY MAKING SPEACHES EITHER TO PRAISE HIS OWN ASS OR TO PLEASE THE CROWDS?

AFTER SO MANY EXTRACTS FROM HIS SPEACHES DO YOU STILL GIVE CREDIBILITY TO WHAT HE WAS SAYING? JUST ANSWER THIS QUESTION TO YOURSELF.

DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS MAN WAS CONTRADICTING HIMSELF ALL THE TIME?

HEY HEAR THIS. HE USED TO SAY THAT TOO IN HIS SPEACHES

WE EXTEND OUR ARM OF LOVE AND FRIENDSHIP TO OUR TURKISH CYPRIOT COMPATRIOTS.


AND ANOTHER PHRASE HE LIKED TO USE.

"TO SYNOIKO TK STOIXEIO"

Which means

THE TC ELEMENT OF OUR OWN FAMILY

[Pyrpolizer]

The coup was just an excuse for Turkey to put into action the plan Turkey and TCs had since the 50s.

In fact in 1974 no TC was harmed by the coupists until after the Turkish invasion had started.

I don't disagree, it was a good excuse, but excuse nevertheless. This was proven when the Turkish troops instead of "protecting" the minority, they started killing innocent Greek Cypriots by the 1000s, raping under age girls, and performing ethnic cleansing over 1/3rd of Cyprus.

In fact even after the coupists lost power in both Cyprus and Greece, Turkey instead of obeying the UN resolutions and withdraw from Cyprus, on the contrary they continued with a second invasion killing and ethnically cleansing even more innocent people.

So good excuse, but I hope you do not expect anybody to believe that it was anything else but an excuse. Hitler had used the same excuse when he invaded Czechoslovakia, to supposedly protect the German minority there.

So learn the difference between the excuse, and the real reason which was the partition of Cyprus and the stealing of our land, just like TCs and Turkey were planing for decades.

You can believe whatever you wish Piratis thats your right but 99%of the TCs thank god Turkey arrived when they did.

Actually the TCs were convinced that they should go into sacrifices for the national cause of taksim from the 60s. They were always waiting for the Turkish ships and planes to come. So when they finally came they were very pleased.The stage and the timing was perfectly set.

What mattered anymore was not Sampson (who has fallen anyway 3 DAYS AGO) but how they would get their own part of Cyprus. And this is what they together with Turkey did.

[paliometoxo]

the eventual seperation of the island that was wanted for a long time.

[Pyrpolizer]

Precicely.

[denizaksulu]

[quote="Piratis"][quote]These old gramaphone players are so resilient. I wonder where they were made!! Same old tune, same old song Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Get over it. [/quote]

I didn't see you saying anything about the gramophones that play their distorted version of the "63-74 tune" every day, trying to excuse crimes and illegalities that they insist on committing [b]today[/b] and for the last 33 years.

There is nothing "old" with the illegal occupation of our country. It is happening [b]right now[/b] as we speak. If you believe that we will just get tired and write off what is stolen from us then you are mistaken.[/quote]

Godd morning Piratis. I have news for you. I detest all illegalities which are taking place all over Cyprus. The perspective might be different, but I am truly against it.
Gadalavis?
Regards
DA

[T_C]

Yeah right Piratis TMT was trying to divide the island with their ''GUNS'' made out of PIPES, HANGERS and SPRINGS...give me a break PLEASE.

Its obvious what the TMT started as...they WERE defending themselves to begin with. I'm not saying they were innocent because I'm SURE they killed innocent people too but they WERE retaliating to EOKA!

And I know they got proper weapons afterwards and again I'm sure more carnage followed but no matter how much you try and twist the story the beginning of the Cyprus Problem came from the Greeks and not from the TCs wanting Taksim!!!

Even the slogan ''Ya Taksim ya ölüm'' says it all...It DOESNT mean ''Its either Taksim or we'd rather die'' but rahter ''Its either Taksim or we ARE going to die''

Its SO obvious and I will show you just how obvious it is. I'll even show you these ''guns'' TMT started with compared to the machine guns that were siezed from EOKA and you tell me if it really started as ''intercommunal violence'' or for the sake of Taksim...

I'm disgusted at the TCs!!! We have SO MUCH evidence in Cyprus about what REALLY happened before the invasion and we just sit there trying to knock sense into people like Piratis who think they know what theyre talking about...

TCs..we have FAILED to get our story accross to the world!

WHY???????????????????????????

[Natty]

Hi TC, how are you? I have to say that unfortunately I can't agree with you when you say that TMT was only set up to protect Turkish Cypriots, Just like EOKA B's aim was the illegal union with Greece so too was TMT's aim to partition the Island, for example, why would they, in 1958 before any intercommunal conflict began, plant a bomb outside the Turkish press office so as to provoke violence between the two communities, if only to try and separate them by playing on the tensions between the two peoples?

The first such serious inter-communal fighting began in June 1958 and was the result of such incitement which the Turkish authorities have subsequently been candid on a number of occasions. Mr Emin Dirvana, a former Turkish diplomat, said: `I was informed that on 7 June 1958 a bomb had been planted in the Turkish press office in Nicosia by persons who, as was later established, had nothing to do with the Greek Cypriots. The Turks of Nicosia were then incited to be overwhelmed by holy indignation and perpetrated acts similar to those committed on 6 and 7 September 1955 in Istanbul'

`The explosion sparked off a night of riot in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter attacks and the fighting spread around the island. A friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in the doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that the Turkish Cypriots mattered.

Rauf Denktash In the ITN documentary `Cyprus, Britain’s Grim Legacy.

Just like in most countries with political problems, I believe that there were things going on behind the scenes, EOKA B’s involvement with the Junta in Greece and the CIA to organize an illegal coup to join Cyprus with Greece and the TMT and Turkey’s aim to partition the Island. And because of these aims sadly we the ordinary Cypriots suffered and still suffer…

[paliometoxo]

very well said natty i remember reading about this the TMT placing the bomb to cause trouble

[T_C]

Hi TC, how are you? I have to say that unfortunately I can't agree with you when you say that TMT was only set up to protect Turkish Cypriots, Just like EOKA B's aim was the illegal union with Greece so too was TMT's aim to partition the Island, for example, why would they, in 1958 before any intercommunal conflict began, plant a bomb outside the Turkish press office so as to provoke violence between the two communities, if only to try and separate them by playing on the tensions between the two peoples?

The first such serious inter-communal fighting began in June 1958 and was the result of such incitement which the Turkish authorities have subsequently been candid on a number of occasions. Mr Emin Dirvana, a former Turkish diplomat, said: `I was informed that on 7 June 1958 a bomb had been planted in the Turkish press office in Nicosia by persons who, as was later established, had nothing to do with the Greek Cypriots. The Turks of Nicosia were then incited to be overwhelmed by holy indignation and perpetrated acts similar to those committed on 6 and 7 September 1955 in Istanbul'

`The explosion sparked off a night of riot in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter attacks and the fighting spread around the island. A friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in the doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that the Turkish Cypriots mattered.

Rauf Denktash In the ITN documentary `Cyprus, Britain’s Grim Legacy.

Just like in most countries with political problems, I believe that there were things going on behind the scenes, EOKA B’s involvement with the Junta in Greece and the CIA to organize an illegal coup to join Cyprus with Greece and the TMT and Turkey’s aim to partition the Island. And because of these aims sadly we the ordinary Cypriots suffered and still suffer…

Hey Natty

I'm really good thanks and hope you are too, I'm still in Cyprus and enjoying every minute of it.

OK I'm going to be really honest here but what you just posted there (in my opinion) is nothing but Greek propaganda

I typed ''Emin Dirvana bomb'' on google and the only results I got were from the following websites:

www.lobbyforcyprus.org

www.greece.org



I wouldnt mind so much but it really is SOOOO obvious that its just a propaganda site with made up lies, I mean fair enough it COULD be the truth but for instance on one of the websites it talks about this Emin Dirvana and says:

"The explosion sparked off a night of riots in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter-attacks and the fighting spread around the island. A friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in the doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that the Turkish Cypriots mattered.
Former Turkish diplomat, Emin Dirvana in 'Cyprus, Britain’s Grim Legacy' in ITV documentary 'End of Empire', 22 July 1984

OK maybe its true, its the first I've heard of it but I'm not just going to dismiss it as a lie just because it differs from what I believe, but if you go down a bit more we have another quotation:

"The turn of Cyprus is yet to come."
Mustapha Kemal ('Ataturk') on Turkey's annexing of Alexandretta in Syria, 1939

This is where it gets interesting...coz unless Mustafa Kemal came back from the dead he couldnt of possibly said that because he died in 1938 a year before the annexing of Alexandretta!

This is what I mean when I say I don't trust the Greek government and this is what I keep saying that the GCs are fed with as much propaganda as we are/have been!

Anyways I don't know about the Greece.org website but I will read it and get back to you on it because it quite long and quite late.

I'll also try to find out more about this Dirvana guy.

Hope all is well