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[pitsilos]

Pitsilos am the star at my workplace and loved by all my colleagues however when they make generalised statements about Lebanese, it is constant reminder that I am not angl saxon, yet they are happy to suff themselves with lebanese take away, when John Howard and his cronies go obout migrants ought to do this and that I feel that I am not accepted for my difference and what I can bring to this country.

I do not agree with fundamentalism of any sort whether it is Muslim mufties making inappropriate coments or christians making coments like " of course she is Christian and she will go to heaven" etc. Or when I hear comments like oh but your different Andreas I don't even see you as a migrant. What the hell does that mean?


I would argue that I am more Australian than many so called Australians

Andrea I hear you...but later dude...just finished work, and I am beat, also trying hard to rid the damn cold...

@oranos
you need to change your reading sources dude...

There is only one job that you can't apply downunder regardless who you are and that is head of state....a symbolic. meangless tile, but reserved for the queen...and then for god forbid charlie the moron...yes and i totally agree is absurd...

[oranos64]

pitsilos ....sorry mate ... i havent read that ..i was told that back when i worked for H.M government ...in 2002

i think my statement was more of query addressed to those who know

get better bro .....

[paliometoxo]

but why should they be able to take over the laws and have their own.. if they dont like aussie laws they shouldent try change it they should go to where they are from....

[Eliko]

Do you live here Eliko?


Just because it does not affect me personally that does not mean that I cannot speak about the injustce of the country I live in.


Having said this I feel more excluded in Australia today than I did 25 years ago as a new migrant.

No I do not live in Australia, I have connections there and have been involved in a a few interesting capers on 'Rottnest'.

I was based in the suburbs of Perth and did gain the impression that the Austalian people were a great deal more forthright in dealing with what may be loosely termed, 'Racial Issues'.

My own experiences convinced me that the Australians are on top of the problems, as opposed to the Brits, who seem to have accepted that they are second class citizens in their own country.

I like the Australians, they have a great love for their country and I am sure they will surmount any problems they face.

[BirKibrisli]

a little bit too late Eliko...we are slow learners...

I come from Melb and when you have 1 suburb with 5 mosques, walking distance to each other...something is not right...Broadmeadows as it is known , has become a ghetto...Its a different bloody country...Sharia law alll over the join...you see it and live it...The PM is correct in what he said.

What about the last mufti when he claimed women ask for trouble because the way the dress...He equate it to the dogs, men, and uncovered meat....What about muslims screaming our laws are biased...what about muslims have more rights to Australia because they paid to get over....The mind boggles with these muftis and their brainwashing...A anormal government high school in Moreland was closed down for becoming islamist...

Try and buy pork products, ham, bacon etc in Broadmedows...you got no hope...everything is blessed with Halal, in order not to offend, down to the kit kats...how about the word halal offending others...do they care?...fucking NO...The mayor is Turkishm a muslim, and he forbidden ham and bacon from the cafeteria...A public place mind you...

The PM is right, either you fit in or you are out...just wishing he started earlier, like 20 years earlier...

Pitsilos,you have surprised me...i thought you were more broadminded than that.There are thousands of Churches and hundreds of Synagogs in Australia...So what is wrong if there are 5 mosques in one suburb? (Which i doubt anyway,2 maybe but 5????) In any case Muslims in Australia are not a uniform or unified lot...Lebanes moslems are different to Turkish moslems who are different to Pakistani moslems who are different to Indonesian moslems etc....They all like to worship in their own way and in their own mosques....that is why you might have few of them clustered together because often their communities live next to each other in specific suburbs...As to the Mufti (Al Hilali) and his comments...I bet you did not know that he was essentially self appointed as Mufti of Australia,and was only recognised by one section of the Lebanese muslim community as their leader...He did not speak for the Turks or the Pakistanis or the iraqis or any other muslim people...And hey no one has a monopoly on stupidity....He was an idiot out of his debt and he has since been removed....I am afraid you have fallen for the sensationalist media coverage which aimed to demonise him and hence all muslims in Australia....As an intelligent migrant i would've thought you'd see through that and not repeat those sensationalist comments of an idiot...

You can buy pork in 99 % of Austalian suburbs,so what is wrong if in one suburb where there is a great concentration of muslims pork is not available as a sign of respect for their faith...This would only make them better Australians,as they would feel more respected and accepted in their new country...You have obviously spent too much time around Anglo people who might be in the habit of saying "I am not racist but i wouldn't like my daughter/son to marry an aboriginee"...//

[Viewpoint]

Birkibrisli

"I am not racist but i wouldn't like my daughter/son to marry an aboriginee"...//

Yet when we say the same thing about GCs we are branded racists why is that? double standards dont you think?

[BirKibrisli]

Birkibrisli

"I am not racist but i wouldn't like my daughter/son to marry an aboriginee"...//

Yet when we say the same thing about GCs we are branded racists why is that? double standards dont you think?

Careful how you quote me,VP...I don't want people to think the quote above came from my own mouth....

The word Racist is very much abused,I have to admit....
Essentially,it would not make you a racist to say you don't want your children to mary GCs...Because that would be like saying "I don't want my children to marry people with green eyes or dark hair..." It would be senseless and prejudiced but not racist...You can't be racist about you own people...

[Eliko]

Birkibrisli, for a moment there it DID appear that you were upholding the views of racism, that is the danger of selecting a small section of your comments.

I often feel that MY comments are subjected to the same treatment.

The fact that I agree with the contents of the initial post, should not indicate that I am a racist, I think the message overall is a clear signal to all the residents of Australia that they are obliged to conform to the laws of the country, if they are unable to or unhappy there, they are free to leave.

'When in Rome, do as the Roman's do' would appear to be an appropriate adage, YET, those of other religions are quite free to practice their faiths.

I think the strong message is 'Don't try to influence or change our way of life', that's fair enough.

[BirKibrisli]

Birkibrisli, for a moment there it DID appear that you were upholding the views of racism, that is the danger of selecting a small section of your comments.

I often feel that MY comments are subjected to the same treatment.

The fact that I agree with the contents of the initial post, should not indicate that I am a racist, I think the message overall is a clear signal to all the residents of Australia that they are obliged to conform to the laws of the country, if they are unable to or unhappy there, they are free to leave.

'When in Rome, do as the Roman's do' would appear to be an appropriate adage, YET, those of other religions are quite free to practice their faiths.

I think the strong message is 'Don't try to influence or change our way of life', that's fair enough.

Thanks for your post ,Eliko...
I agree with you totally that people who come to live here must fully obey Australian laws,and try to fit in as much as they can...And tolerance must be practices both ways...if certain migrants cannot accept certain Australian values,the onus is on the migrants to decide how they will respond to the challege of living with conflicting values...It is not upto the host nation to change its values for the sake of minorities...

My concern ,and i believe it is real,is how this reactionary government is using the whole Terrorism scare to demonise all muslims living here,in order to appear tough on terrorists and hence more deserving of the average Aussie's vote...In the process these despicable politicians are winking at the racists in our country,and encouraging sensational media coverage regarding their new tough laws which have more or less made a mockery of the legal justice system in Australia...At the moment there is one poor iraqi doctor got caught up in this cowardly Howard's terrorism laws,and the poor man has been locked up for no other reason than lending his cousin a sim card last year when he was leaving England to start work in Australia...One of the British alleged bombers happened to be his cousin,and he has lost his job and his freedom after being charged with 'providing material support to a terrorist organisation'...Even before that case is heard in court,the poor man's visa has been cancelled and he is now facing deportation even if he is found innocent at his trial...
Kafka would've been very amused at the going ons in Australia at the moment...

[humanist]

Hey Birkibrisli thanks for the above post to Pitsilos, I hadn't actually thought about that issue before that Turkish Muslim may infact want to worhsip in a different mosque to a lebanese.

on the matter of marrigae I would have a relationship with a Turkish/ Turkish speaking Cypriot if love was the essence that bund us together. So long as they did not sell Turkish figs...... I refuse to buy anything Turkish.