Insan wrote: ." So now I'm asking to you Kifeas, if TC community doesn't have "political equality" on legislative matters, how can we effectively participate on decision making mechanisms of our common state.
He already explained you (in his post preceeding yours) you that a separate majority IS political equality.
Supposely you two were to discuss in a dialectic manner. Is this a dialectic discussion first of all? One hundered issues simultaneously...? When you Insan do not even listen to the arguments of kifeas, how could you two possibly discuss in a dialectic manner to "filter out the truth"?
Insan wrote: First you surrender to GC rule, don't worry about the rest. We know how to make you obbey the things we believe."
This is your twisted interepretation. All proposals so far care to quarantee this will not happen.Yet you are never satisfied.
Insan wrote: EU principles are based upon pragmatism and rationalism. The constitution and laws of EU are not static. They are naturally in progress. Any valid and/or rational demand of any EU country is welcomed by EU.
Right! As long as it serves your paranoid demands, the EU must change the most basic principles on which it is founded like the freedom of movement, settlement, trade, and enjoy of ones own property. And who is going to decide which demands are valid and rational, you by any chance in a million?
insan wrote: Most of those sad, hurting situations, sufferings arised from "majority rule" insistence of Hellenic ruling Elite. Apparently most of the Hellenes still insist on "majority rule."
Lets change the standards then. Lets make the whole world run by "minority rule". Or by absolute equality of the 18% to the 82% which is again a kind of "minority rule". Would that make you happy?
TC community knows how to struggle against difficulties even under the harshest circumstances.
By staying poor? Or by depending on others? When exactly did your community ever struggled and succeeded? Do you have a precedence? All your struggles so far ended at abandoning the place....
With what you suggesting we will end up with a Senate
that TCs will have estimately 1/4 of the seats.
One-man-one-vote will be applied. Everything TCs have
had legal objections will most probably rejected by
majority(naturally by GC senators) and we will be shown
the direction of supreme court or ECHR to go and ask for
justice. We will rot our lives at the doors of Supreme
Court and ECHR by waiting the justice to prevail. Most
of the TCs will feel frustrated and feed up. They will
sell whatever they own and flee other countries.
What a naive argument!. First of all how can this happen when you have a separate majority? If the law does not pass with separate majority it simply is dead and burried, why should anyone go to any court??
Secondly it seems to me you don't know that IT IS NOT the laws themselves that can provide economical well being to the people.(Unless of course they are discriminiting on ethnic or other basis which is obviously unconstitutional and can be turned down by the supreme court in the very unlikely event that both your and our Senators approve it-therefore no need for ECHR.) What affects the economic well being of the people is the practicing of the power the law gives to the excecutive organs of the State. In case of Federation the excecutive power will be practiced by the component States and the local authorities like Municipalities local Police, local courts etc. Now it's upto you to explain me how your own Municipalities and local authorities will strungle you so that you will have no other choice than to flee to other Countries.
Even the budget is not the job of the Chamber or the Senate. These bodies can only approve or turn down all, or parts of the budget presented to them by the Excecutive authorities of the State which in case of Federation is derived by the Fed states themselves.Furthermore in case of a Federation don't be so sure you will get more money than what your own Fed State gives to the central State. You will always get less. In fact in Anan 5 it was so much less that both CSs would get bankrupt from the very first year....
If what you are suggesting is not a GC state with a TC minority what is it then?
The TCs are a minority in numbers, you have to swallow this, because this is the reality. It doesn’t mean as a group will have less rights, it doesn’t mean as individuals will have less rights.There are a million ways to guarantee and safeguard this,
without asking the majority to give you 50-50% power on everything,
without asking 50-50% on whatever means
take or profit , and
without asking minority-majority % on whatever means
give or pay. Because that’s exploitation.
