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[insan]

This is the eminently sensible way forward. There seems to be this notion that we will revert back to the past as soon as Turkish soldiers leave.

And of course as soon as the National Guard and Eldik leave.

[MicAtCyp]

We were supposed to be safeguarded through agreement as well in 1963. But the agreements mean nothing now after 40 years. That's why we need something stronger and I think it's very likely that TCs won't be majority in the north if there's no bizonality enforced. There're around 150.000 TCs. If all refugees return back, there will be 200.000 GC refugees. I'm sure many GCs would like to have a house in Kyrenia and other places. In any case, without bizonality, it's very likely that TCs will be minority in the north.

That's one of the risks you have to take! You cannot ask the application of fascist methods to feel absolutely quaranteed. If you think you cannot accept such a risk then there is only one way to go, and this is partition.
It seems you don't understand my position. Either with a unitary state solution, either with a return of the TCs to ROC solution ,or with a federal solution, I simply don't accept anything enforced neither on the GCs nor on the TCs that is against their human rights.I reject the bizonal Federation simply because it pre-requires such an enforcement.
In this respect yes I can accept the exchange of equal to equal properties through voluntary participation, I can accept private arrangements regarding the properties, I can accept to consider the human rights of settlers, I can accept to have the sharing of the Political power through a Federal system, but I cannot accept to lessen anyones human rights for you to feel absolutely guaranteed.
If you think this is not much of a compromise then tell me what is your OWN compromise to all this procedure.

[MicAtCyp]

And the problem can be solved when T.Cs acknowledge their guilt and abandon TRNC and go back to RoC. Is that what you are arguing?

First of all if you want answers to your questions you must answer my own questions that you left behind. So for the last time I am doing you the favour of replying your questions, while my own questions remain un-answered.

The problem can be solved when there is a solution where the illegality of the Kksomething and everything that is based upon, evaporates to thin air, and there is justice and restoration of human rights for all, including our refugeees.One way of solving it, is the return back to RoC constitution, under which as you know got your Ids, your passports, your EU aid, and your classification as Europeans.

As for the points of Jimmy, universal principles like majority rule (from where his argument originates) are well known to the whole world, whereas the Anan Plan is not even known by the people a few miles away from Cyprus like Egypt, and Lebanon. Secondly like I said before, I don't accept the argument that the whole world has a YES or NO opinion over the Anan Plan so your argument is irrelevant. First prove me the whole world knows the Anan Plan (like they know of what majority rule means), then I will have no problem accepting their opinion. 99% of the EU MPs never read even a single page from the Anan Plan!!!

PS. As Jimmy seems to be on the same wavelength like you, feel free to ask for his help in replying..
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As we were in 1960? I understand and ultimately can accept safeguards by agreement but you must also realise why we remain 'skeptical' as to how far 'mere agreements' can actualy protected us, given the history, if those that make the agreements are only doing so as a 'means to an end' and without sincereity. As important as the agreements (for me at least) is my perception of the intent of those that sign them This kind of concern is only increased when poster like boulio insist that it is both right and valid for GC to ignore any agrement they have made or may make in the future if they deem it to be against their interest later - as he has done here.

I understand your points and concerns Erol, but the sincerety can be checked prior as well as after the implementation. Like I said there will be ample time for you to evaluate the situation and ENOUGH open doors to escape from a non sincere application of the agreement. a)The fact that you are already concentrated in the North and most propably this concentration will last for ever b)The demilitarising procedure will take at least 2 years so the Turkish Army will still be here in case everything goes wrong because of GC cheating.

I can see your non trust to GCs, but beleive me there is an equal non trust among us for the TCs.The only way to eradicate this mistrust is start working together.

[garbitsch]

MicAtCyp, how can you be so sure that noone who supported the Annan plan had read it? You always expect the world to be on your side. And when they are not, then they should not be taken seriously. Your answer was already given by Saint Jimmy.

[MicAtCyp]

Prove it!