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Postby halil » Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:35 pm

iceman wrote:
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İceman,
There is a SAMİSİ shop İn Gönyoli .CON COFFEE makes PASTELLİ as well.Whenever i go to turkey or others countries i always take pastelli with me as a present.


I had not seen proper pastelli made from carob pakmez since before 1974 Halil..many people here also call sesame coated peanut bars pastelli...

yes u are right......
my great uncle used to make pastelli and cam şeker as well.we are still making our own kofter ,sucuk and paluse also vinegar.
i will bring some almonds at sunday it will be good with our drinks.don't forget the seftalies.İ have to pick up the almonds tomorrow morning.By the way figs are ready too.....
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Postby free_cyprus » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:05 pm

Get Real!
not only turkey was funding suporting the soo called turks in thsi way but greece was supporting the greek speaking population in the same way, recruting spys to spy on our own people of cyprus and to kill our own people of cyprus and i have to sit here and listen all this shit, why still people take sides without ever seing the bigger picture what went on in cyprus, it was all cordinated from turkey and greece with a little help from britain and today you have cyprus as a result of all that shit that went on, and you people are telling me your greeks and turks when we are cypriots and your deviding us up even rright now in thsi forum by saying or labeling us as greek and turkish cypriots. we are all cypritos we speak two languages greek and turkish thats where the buck stops we have nothing to do with these so called motherland except to kiss their arses as most of you in thei forum do and then say thank you on top of that
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Postby paliometoxo » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:15 pm

kalamaraes.... in the north of turkey do theys peak a diffeent dialect of greek then they do in turkey?
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:02 pm

[quote="iceman"]Talk about childhood memories...
I was driving through Nicosia yesterday on my way to Kyrenia...Outside Makedonitissa Church i saw a panayiri being set up..I thought i'll stop by & check it out..good job i did..Felt like i went back in time..

There were various stands selling nuts & sweets i hadn't seen since 34 years.
There were sugar coated chick peas & almonds in various colours,Paluze,Kofter,Sucuk and many more..
First thing i asked was pastelli which i havent eaten since before 1974...I used to love it..When i was a child,there used to be an old man in Limassol selling pastelli on his bicycle..he had this wooden crate tied up on the back of his bicycle with a great big lump of pastelli..he used to chip off the pastelli with a hammer he carried and the going rate was in "bakiri" as he called it.."bakiri" was the name old cypriots called piastre in them days..(bakir is copper in Turkish which piastres were made of) Depending on the size of the chipped of pastelli we,used to pay one or two "bakiri".
There was another stand with tables & chairs ,i was told they cook & sell fresh lokma & samisi in the evening..
I am planning to pay another visit tomorrow evening to try those too..

Funny how some simple things can bring back memories you thought you had forgotten..[/quote]


My next door neighbor in Kophinou was a pastelli maker. His daughter used to give me free samples. I always knew I was going to get some when the aroma of the sugar and sesame used to waft over the wall. (me and his daughter were twelve at the time - so no comments please)

I still make citir pitir (almonds ans sugar half fied in a dry pan - just the way my granny taught me.

Aaah what a life it was.
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Postby theodore » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:03 am

[quote="Pyrpolizer"]MACH-MUCH :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:

few more posts from you and oranos and the other guy in here and he will forget the few English we know[/quote]

Mach is the speed of sound go and learn American sarchasm ... i did not meant much as in many....
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:23 am

And Ματς-Μουτς is kissing in Greek... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby bigOz » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:07 am

paliometoxo wrote:kalamaraes.... in the north of turkey do theys peak a diffeent dialect of greek then they do in turkey?

I assume you meant to ask "do they speak a different dialect of Turkish then they do in the rest of Turkey?" - to which the answer is YES! But ethnic Turks in Thrace and Bulgaria also speak with a different dialect, and so do those in Eastern Turkey. I suppose it is the same for most countries. Even the people living in many villages in Cyprus used speak with adifferent local dialect to those who live in towns - I am not sure what it's like now!
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Postby theodore » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:01 pm

[quote="halil"][quote="Pyrpolizer"]Hey DA kikapu is a chef de cuisine man :lol:

@halil

Thanks for the map. Believe me a few days ago I met a Tc who was from Ortakoyu, the man got surprised when I told him I didn’t know where his village was…. I understand your mothers route to Nicosia very well now.
Btw the village with the spring water is kRini, not KiRni like so many people in here called it before. That’s an ancient Greek word meaning something like "big water tap". I never knew where that village was either, perhaps I will visit it one of these days.
Shilloura is the GC dialect name for Skilloura, so nothing wrong with that!

Looking again at the map I see you were living in that Nicosia-Kionelli-Agyrta-Fotta enclave. It is true that living conditions there were very bad, propably the worst although I doubt any GC knew anything about it then.
You said upto 1968 all roads were closed. Please clarify this. Do you mean from inside the enclave or from outside or from both sides? What happened after 1968?
Did you have any relatives living in mixed villages or other areas which were not so isolated? How was their life compared to yours?
What I cannot understand is how some TCs were so much afraid to go in GC areas whereas others not. For example I remember very well in the early 70s TCs carrying fresh vegetables at Ermou Street, where the main market was.Also doing shopping from the then supermarket of Athienites, which those times was the equivalent of todays Orphanides.

Most of the Tcs my family knew before 1974 avoided travelling anyway, perhaps they would travel 1-2 villages down the road, but never very far from their own. Most of the times we were the ones who visited them and it was always for work matters not for socialising. On the other hand the roads to inside the Nicosia-Kionelli-Agyrta-Fotta enclave were always closed for us the GCs, like I said before I never knew where Ortakoyu or even your village Fotta was.

Please feel free to continue your childhood story. I think we learn more by just hearing and asking questions in here rather than swordplaying.
I have nothing much to say about my childhood other than my father was a farmer but never wanted us to end up like him, he wanted us to become educated. Typical for many people at those times.

All I can say is we lost everything in 1974 and my father wanted to die. He finally made it, he got prostrates, which was curable. He didn't tell anyone, didn't visit any doctor. Just let the decease spread all over and finish him. :cry:[/quote]
İ feel sorry for your dad .İt is not easy my friend to lost your loved ones and your belongins.
When i met lena's father i read his eyes.the way he looked it was very sad moments in my life.
when i read your writings also i remembered from the route Nicosia- Ortakoy,Gönyeli, Bogaz and finaly Kyrenia the greek Cypriots were passing by the UN escort convoys.Old greeks cypriots will remember it.
because they were afraid to pass alone.......

later on i will post second part of the memories. when i finelised my writing i will try to replay all of it again while i replay i might remember more .

why don't you join us for a picnic.[/quote]

This making God very please for He said "love one another as I have loved you" also He said "love you neighbor as your self"in other words use kind words tread people as you will be like to be treated. I am so happy to see this Cypriot love among brethren.... I am also sorry for you lost Pyrpolizer
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Postby theodore » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:11 pm

[quote="halil"]about the flags i found out this writing from the culture of cyprus forum.i would like to share it with u.

When Cyprus emerged as a state in 1960, it acquired a flag but not a national anthem. The flag shows a map of the island in orange– yellow against a white background, symbolizing the color of copper, for which the island was renowned in ancient times. Under this lies a wreath of olive leaves. The symbolism of the flag thus draws on nature rather than culture or religion. The official symbol of the 1960 state, the Republic of Cyprus, is a dove flying with an olive branch in its beak in a shield inscribed with the date 1960, all within a wreath of olive leaves, symbolizing the desire for peace. Until 1963, when interethnic conflict broke out, a neutral piece of music was played on official state occasions; after 1963, the two communities fully adopted the national anthems of Greece and Turkey.

The flag of the Republic of Cyprus was rarely used before 1974. Greek Cypriots, who after 1960 were striving for union with Greece (enosis), used the Greek flag, while Turkish Cypriots hoping for the division of the island (taksim) used the flag of Turkey. The flag of the republic was used more commonly after the 1974 separation of the island, but only by Greek Cypriots. It was employed as a state symbol of the Republic of Cyprus, which in practice meant the Greek side. Turkish Cypriots declared their own state in 1983 under the name of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), which has been recognized only by Turkey. In striving to prevent international political recognition of the Turkish Cypriot polity, Greek Cypriots started to employ the official flag of the republic. In practice, however, Greek Cypriots often fly both the Greek flag and that of the republic, while Turkish Cypriots fly both their own flag and that of Turkey.

The largest left-wing parties on both sides, which are antinationalist and progressive, often jointly support the "Cypriot identity thesis," in which people are considered first and foremost Cypriots. The largest right–wing Greek and Turkish parties, which are nationalist and conservative, emphasize ethnic and cultural affiliations with the two other states.

The national days of Greece and Turkey are commemorated, along with dates from the history of Cyprus. Such commemorations often stir feelings of animosity. The most important commemorations for Greek Cypriots are the start of the anticolonial struggle (1 April 1955), the independence of the Republic of Cyprus in 1960 (1 October), and the two days of mourning for the events of July 1974: the Greek attempted coup of 15 July 1974, and the subsequent Turkish military offensive on 20 July 1974, known among Greek Cypriots as the "Anniversaries of the Treacherous Coup and the Barbaric Turkish Invasion." Turkish Cypriots commemorate the establishment of the Turkish Cypriot nationalist resistance organization in 1958 (1 August 1958). During December, a week is devoted to the period spanning 1963 to 1967, mourning those who died in the interethnic fighting that erupted around Christmas 1963. This is called the "Week of Remembrance of the Martyrs and the Struggle." The Turkish armed offensive of 20 July 1974 is celebrated as the anniversary of the "Happy Peace Operation." Turkish Cypriots also commemorate 15 November 1983 as "Independence Day," when they declared themselves as a state.[/quote]

Thanks this was informative for me i am reading a book about Cypriot history now this info help to brake thinks out so that i can understand what happen, thanks again.
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Postby halil » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:45 pm

Back to my memories again

Not all my memories are to do with bad days . i also remember good times. Our weddings,our football matches etc.... etc.....
Today i will tell you one of my strongest memories is my Sünnet (Circumcision).
İn 1964 i was circumcised at the age of 7 . Usually boys are circumcised when their age falls on an odd numbers, for example 1,3,5,7 etc.... please don’t ask me why because i don’t know .
İ was circumcised just 2 weeks before i was to start my primary school.My family bought clothes and shoes for my sünnet feast.They borrowed a fez (Fes) for me to wear from our neighbours.
As the day of my sünnet grew closer i grew more afraid but of course my male pride stopped me from showing my true fears to friends and family.İnstead i would brag about how i was going to piss in the Sünnetcies (Circumciser) mouth.
The night before a boys sünnet is called Kına Gecesi (Henna Night).The whole village came to the village square and we ate food and sang songs ,drink and shot guns into the air until the morning.For this meal our neigbours,relatives from village brought some food,potatoes,lamb,chickens they cooked so many food also kleftikon .They drunk Keo, Angliya , 31 etc..... Everything went well , the day after in the morning they put me on a horse and we rode the horse around the village.İn front of me was a drummer (davulcu) and a piper(zurnacı) playing traditional Turkish music.2 men walked by myside holding the horse steady walking behind me was my family , friends ,relatives and village people.From every house (street) we passed shotguns they shot into air and people joined my procession.Sometimes old women would burn old olive leaves ,the smoke and smell intended to bring us good luck and protect us from the devil eyes.
Before the sun falls the sünnetci came.They undressed me and picked me up by my arms and showed me to whole crowed in my naked glory.Everyone clapped enthusiasatically , they shouted and sang !
Then i was placed back on the ground . i than sat on a man’s lap i don’t remember who this man was he wrapped my arms behind my back with his arms and wrapped his legs around my legs so that i could not move.... thats the time when the fear hit me and i thought i was gonna die.... the only thing i remember than is pain between my legs the cheering of the crowd ( heeeee shaaaaaa yeeeee) and drummer speeding up pace of the drum.İ started to scream and cry from the pain and fear and they put lokum (Turkish Delight) in my mouth to stop the screaming . İ had pain and , sweetness at the same time !
After the sünnetci bandaged my penis and placed in a bed everyone from the village took turns to come to my bed and congratulate me and put some money in my fez.
İ was now a man ..... !!!!!!!
Two weeks later i went to school . İt was still diffuclt to walk.The sünnetci would come to my house once a week to apply a liquid to my penis so that it wouln’t get infected.This liquid stung and make me cry after he could reapply the bandages and leave.One day when the bandages had been freshly applied i got out of bed to urinate in a plastic bootle which i used the bandages somehow forced the urine up and onto my face so instead of pissing in the sunnetcies mouth i pissed on my own face.İt makes me laugh when ı think about it now.
Boys now are very lucky they have their sünnet when they are born or at a doctor’s.They don,t feel however the psychologial fear is still with them but we have no other choice but we have to circumcise our boys.İt,s our religion......

We didn,t have toys so we made our own toy cars from wood and milk containers.From news papers we made paper airplanes stuck together by flour.

An ice-cream van would come from Nicosia if we didn,t have money we would give him egs in exchange for ice-cream (2 eggs =1 ice-cream).
Our mums would tie rope to two trees and make swings for us.Our most popular game was Lingiri (later i will try to explain this game how we used to play).

During winter time we would kill giant hornets and give them to local council who would give us money for that .they would give us money to kill the hornets because the hornets would kill and eat honey bees. İn those days we were not using chemicals..... !!!!
We would also be paid money when we gave crows heads to the council because crows were eating farmers vegatables and fruits.The money we received from this was used by us children to buy ice-cream,chewing gum and lollipops and Periscan( it was kind of powder we can leak it and get somekind of refreshing....).
İn those days we didn,t have electric in our homes we would use gas lanterns.Our mums would use fire wood or a parafin fuel led stove to cook.Our irons were made hot by opening the iron and placing burning coal inside the iron.İ still have this iron .... it is very valuable for me ..... you see from where .... where we came today ...... !!!!!
Cooking of course a long time,i was always too impatined and would eat olives,bread and tomatoes while waiting for a dinner !
Every night before bed i would thank god for our blessing and ask for my father pockets to fill with money..... i hope my kids does same thing i don,t think so .... kids are so different now....
June,july,august our figs would rippen we would eat hellim (hellumi) figs and bread for our breakfast.
Today we still grow figs but now eveyone eats cornflakes.....What a changes we are having !!!
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