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[Pyrpolizer]

Thanks again Kikapu, thanks to you too halil. It's very difficult for people to talk about personal hardships, I personally CAN'T talk about my life after 1974...
I can only talk for the happy moments, I don't want to remember sad things.

Sometimes I wonder how can people talk and not get so affected like me. Different characters I guess or more brave. Halil seems to be more brave than me in this.
You too Kikapu, you are from the first ones who told us his story in this forum.

NB. But Kikapu man, I am totally confused with you. One day you live in the US the next you live in Switzerland? Are you travelling every week between the 2 countries?

[Kikapu]

Thanks again Kikapu, thanks to you too halil. It's very difficult for people to talk about personal hardships, I personally CAN'T talk about my life after 1974...
I can only talk for the happy moments, I don't want to remember sad things.

Sometimes I wonder how can people talk and not get so affected like me. Different characters I guess or more brave. Halil seems to be more brave than me in this.
You too Kikapu, you are from the first ones who told us his story in this forum.

NB. But Kikapu man, I am totally confused with you. One day you live in the US the next you live in Switzerland? Are you travelling every week between the 2 countries?

I feel like I'm all over the WORLD sometimes, but not as frequently as you think Pyro.

I wished more people would talk about their past experiences. It really isn't that difficult if they have some memories of their earlier years. All the details does not need to be "perfect" as long as we can get the general picture of what was it like for them growing up in Cyprus anytime between 1960 and the present time.

[Pyrpolizer]

when i read your writings also i remembered from the route Nicosia- Ortakoy,Go"nyeli, Bogaz and finaly Kyrenia the greek Cypriots were passing by the UN escort convoys.Old greeks cypriots will remember it.
because they were afraid to pass alone.......

Halil it was not simply fear. It was guaranteed death for a GC to go in there alone. It happened to many people who lost their way.
I personally made that "convoy" trip 2-3 times with the escort of the UN. The first time there were angry TCs somewhere in Kionelli standing by the side of the road waving axes and spades! The other 2 times everything was normal but I remember even the UN were very cautious and were giving instructions to everyone before starting the convoy trip as to what we should do in case we had a flat tire and we were oblidged to stop. I think we were supposed to horn and then 2 UN landrovers with soldiers would come and change the tire for us while we were to stay in the car.The rest of the convoy would continue their trip though.

[halil]

my next writing will be about old days weddings,what kind of the plays we were playing etc.... etc.....

[denizaksulu]

[quote="Pyrpolizer"]Hey DA kikapu is a chef de cuisine man

@halil

Thanks for the map. Believe me a few days ago I met a Tc who was from Ortakoyu, the man got surprised when I told him I didn’t know where his village was…. I understand your mothers route to Nicosia very well now.
Btw the village with the spring water is kRini, not KiRni like so many people in here called it before. That’s an ancient Greek word meaning something like "big water tap". I never knew where that village was either, perhaps I will visit it one of these days.
Shilloura is the GC dialect name for Skilloura, so nothing wrong with that!

Looking again at the map I see you were living in that Nicosia-Kionelli-Agyrta-Fotta enclave. It is true that living conditions there were very bad, propably the worst although I doubt any GC knew anything about it then.
You said upto 1968 all roads were closed. Please clarify this. Do you mean from inside the enclave or from outside or from both sides? What happened after 1968?
Did you have any relatives living in mixed villages or other areas which were not so isolated? How was their life compared to yours?
What I cannot understand is how some TCs were so much afraid to go in GC areas whereas others not. For example I remember very well in the early 70s TCs carrying fresh vegetables at Ermou Street, where the main market was.Also doing shopping from the then supermarket of Athienites, which those times was the equivalent of todays Orphanides.

Most of the Tcs my family knew before 1974 avoided travelling anyway, perhaps they would travel 1-2 villages down the road, but never very far from their own. Most of the times we were the ones who visited them and it was always for work matters not for socialising. On the other hand the roads to inside the Nicosia-Kionelli-Agyrta-Fotta enclave were always closed for us the GCs, like I said before I never knew where Ortakoyu or even your village Fotta was.

Please feel free to continue your childhood story. I think we learn more by just hearing and asking questions in here rather than swordplaying.
I have nothing much to say about my childhood other than my father was a farmer but never wanted us to end up like him, he wanted us to become educated. Typical for many people at those times.

All I can say is we lost everything in 1974 and my father wanted to die. He finally made it, he got prostatis, which was curable. He didn't tell anyone, didn't visit any doctor. Just let the decease spread all over and finish him. [/quote]

Such is life Pyro. Sorry about your dad. Many of our older folk died of heartbteak. My grand father after going to Kophinou, then Ay. Theodoros,then Nicosia ended in London. He did not last more that six months. There was nothing wrong with him except a painful shoulder which he got by falling off his donkey.
May they all rest in peace. Let us regard them all with a smile.
Regards
DA

[halil]

about the flags i found out this writing from the culture of cyprus forum.i would like to share it with u.

When Cyprus emerged as a state in 1960, it acquired a flag but not a national anthem. The flag shows a map of the island in orange– yellow against a white background, symbolizing the color of copper, for which the island was renowned in ancient times. Under this lies a wreath of olive leaves. The symbolism of the flag thus draws on nature rather than culture or religion. The official symbol of the 1960 state, the Republic of Cyprus, is a dove flying with an olive branch in its beak in a shield inscribed with the date 1960, all within a wreath of olive leaves, symbolizing the desire for peace. Until 1963, when interethnic conflict broke out, a neutral piece of music was played on official state occasions; after 1963, the two communities fully adopted the national anthems of Greece and Turkey.

The flag of the Republic of Cyprus was rarely used before 1974. Greek Cypriots, who after 1960 were striving for union with Greece (enosis), used the Greek flag, while Turkish Cypriots hoping for the division of the island (taksim) used the flag of Turkey. The flag of the republic was used more commonly after the 1974 separation of the island, but only by Greek Cypriots. It was employed as a state symbol of the Republic of Cyprus, which in practice meant the Greek side. Turkish Cypriots declared their own state in 1983 under the name of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), which has been recognized only by Turkey. In striving to prevent international political recognition of the Turkish Cypriot polity, Greek Cypriots started to employ the official flag of the republic. In practice, however, Greek Cypriots often fly both the Greek flag and that of the republic, while Turkish Cypriots fly both their own flag and that of Turkey.

The largest left-wing parties on both sides, which are antinationalist and progressive, often jointly support the "Cypriot identity thesis," in which people are considered first and foremost Cypriots. The largest right–wing Greek and Turkish parties, which are nationalist and conservative, emphasize ethnic and cultural affiliations with the two other states.

The national days of Greece and Turkey are commemorated, along with dates from the history of Cyprus. Such commemorations often stir feelings of animosity. The most important commemorations for Greek Cypriots are the start of the anticolonial struggle (1 April 1955), the independence of the Republic of Cyprus in 1960 (1 October), and the two days of mourning for the events of July 1974: the Greek attempted coup of 15 July 1974, and the subsequent Turkish military offensive on 20 July 1974, known among Greek Cypriots as the "Anniversaries of the Treacherous Coup and the Barbaric Turkish Invasion." Turkish Cypriots commemorate the establishment of the Turkish Cypriot nationalist resistance organization in 1958 (1 August 1958). During December, a week is devoted to the period spanning 1963 to 1967, mourning those who died in the interethnic fighting that erupted around Christmas 1963. This is called the "Week of Remembrance of the Martyrs and the Struggle." The Turkish armed offensive of 20 July 1974 is celebrated as the anniversary of the "Happy Peace Operation." Turkish Cypriots also commemorate 15 November 1983 as "Independence Day," when they declared themselves as a state.

[Kikapu]

I live in Switzerland man and not in the RoC like Pyro who gets to have all these luxuries.

Hey Kikapu you are not trying to add Geishas in my dreams are you? Cause the 2 meters tall Russians will start complaining!

btw have you seen the movie "memoirs of a geisha" very good ha?

Hi Pyro,

After reading about your father last night, I did not have the "sense of humour" to reply this post, so I'll do it now.

No, I have not seen the "memoirs of a geisha". I'll look for it though. It sounds interesting.

Pyro, just stick with your 2 meters Russian Girls in your "Fantasy Dreams" and leave the Geisha Girls alone.

You have already too much on your plate my friend.

Did you ever wonder why Tall Women get all the looks, specially if they come with full of "curves". You already know, that to get to from points A to B, is always in a straight line, which is also the fastest.

Well, it takes longer to give a Tall Woman a complete "cat scan", which is why they get that little bit more of our attention, because it takes just that little bit longer to give a full "cat scan", specially if they come with "curves", which adds distance for the eyes to cover the points A to B, hence taking longer.

I wrote this post last year, which was under "cheating - unfaithful" thread, so I thought I let you read it. Along with the explanation above on "cat scanning" Tall Women and this old post, may give you some insight to your "Fantasy Dream", as well as to the rest of us.

Any given day, men can't help but look at a good looking woman with nice body and sex appeal. Within a few seconds, she will get a complete "cat scan" from top to bottom, and back to top again, with sexual thoughts dominating his mind. This will happen dozens times a day, and it doesn't matter if the wife or the girl friend is with him or not. It only takes few seconds, but he will do it. It is his "male sexual genetic blue print", and there's no escaping it. But man will also have sex on the mind, even if there are no women around to look at. They have their memories, some with the women they are with now, and some with their past experiences. It's a small wonder, how men can get anything done, when preoccupied by his "sexual blue print" that dictates his sexuality.

[Kikapu]

By the way Halil, I'm not ignoring your "memories of your childhood" posts.

I'll wait until you are finished, then ask you few questions.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

The flag of the Republic of Cyprus was rarely used before 1974. Greek Cypriots, who after 1960 were striving for union with Greece (enosis), used the Greek flag, while Turkish Cypriots hoping for the division of the island (taksim) used the flag of Turkey. The flag of the republic was used more commonly after the 1974 separation of the island, but only by Greek Cypriots. It was employed as a state symbol of the Republic of Cyprus, which in practice meant the Greek side. Turkish Cypriots declared their own state in 1983 under the name of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), which has been recognized only by Turkey. In striving to prevent international political recognition of the Turkish Cypriot polity, Greek Cypriots started to employ the official flag of the republic. In practice, however, Greek Cypriots often fly both the Greek flag and that of the republic, while Turkish Cypriots fly both their own flag and that of Turkey.

Very misleading and essentially a lie. This would have people believe that even after Cyprus' so-called independance, many Greek Cypriot still wanted union with Greece. This is not true at all. Over 95% or maybe 99% wanted no union with Greece - especially when the Greek junta came into power.

[denizaksulu]

The snake on the crane says,
" Very misleading and essentially a lie. This would have people believe that even after Cyprus' so-called independance, many Greek Cypriot still wanted union with Greece. This is not true at all. Over 95% or maybe 99% wanted no union with Greece - especially when the Greek junta came into power."

It sounds that there is a lie somewher; yet this is not the impression we get from the Media. The noises re; Enosis always comes through loud and clear.
Regards
DA