Cyprus-Forum.com

[Eliko]

Southerner, the reason for my lack of response should be quite clear, you have introduced 'The Raj' into the discussion, I have never made mention of such and can see no reason for it's inclusion now, you also introduced the 'Carpet Bomb' earlier, this also was unnecessary as I have made no mention of such in this thread.

If you are intent on reducing this discussion to the level of a certain 'elder gentleman' (whose name we all know), I am likely to lose interest Sir, my objective is to learn from those who KNOW and perhaps teach those who DON'T.

I would really appreciate your , effort if you were to read ALL of my comments on this thread, point out to me where you gain the impression that I am in favour of slaughter on ANY level for I must confess, I am unable to do so.

I do not seek to insult or belittle any person who may have a different view to my own, I DO seek to find the reasons behind such conflicts of opinion and I would accept criticism if it is constructive, I do not like to be confronted with the 'Wise Words' of some politician or other supposedly 'Learne'd' source.

From the heart please Southerner, YOUR heart.

[Southerner]

Southerner, the reason for my lack of response should be quite clear, you have introduced 'The Raj' into the discussion, I have never made mention of such and can see no reason for it's inclusion now, you also introduced the 'Carpet Bomb' earlier, this also was unnecessary as I have made no mention of such in this thread.

If you are intent on reducing this discussion to the level of a certain 'elder gentleman' (whose name we all know), I am likely to lose interest Sir, my objective is to learn from those who KNOW and perhaps teach those who DON'T.

I would really appreciate your , effort if you were to read ALL of my comments on this thread, point out to me where you gain the impression that I am in favour of slaughter on ANY level for I must confess, I am unable to do so.

I do not seek to insult or belittle any person who may have a different view to my own, I DO seek to find the reasons behind such conflicts of opinion and I would accept criticism if it is constructive, I do not like to be confronted with the 'Wise Words' of some politician or other supposedly 'Learne'd' source.

From the heart please Southerner, YOUR heart.

You blamed the west for the situation in India regarding the conditions of the lower classes and the caste system which is thousands of years old and Hindu in origin not western; this was in actual fact the days when the Rajahs ruled and long before British rule. Under British rule many of the traditional barbaric rituals were outlawed, for example, widows commiting suicide on the funeral pyre of their late husband, this was outlawed under British rule.
At the end of the day the plight of people in India is down to the govenments since independence when they were left with a sound infastucture, it certainly was not stripped bare of its assets.

You inadvertently introduced carpet bombing with the remark about bombing from six miles high. Six miles is the height that B52s dropped their bombs to create a carpet bombing effect.
Smart bombs do not require this height.

Back on the India topic how come so many people are so poor that they still carry out such barbarism on their own offspring? there is plenty of money flowing into the country, please remember they were a great empire long before the Romans invaded Brittain even back to the times of Alexander the Great.

[Eliko]

Southerner, I did NOT blame the West for the living standards of the lower classes, we all know of the caste system and I disagree with it.

As to the introduction of British laws, it is a pity they did not outlaw the barbaric practice of disposing of baby girls.

There can be no doubt that the British increased their wealth enormously during the period of their occupation, when they were finally faced with the prospect of withdrawal, (which they would have got wind of years before), they made sure that the country would be left in turmoil and divided, (a well rehearsed tactic) before such withdrawal.

The infrastructure was well and truly paid for by the nation from the resources taken from it, you may be sure of that.

As to the 'Carpet Bombing', it is a well known fact that the 'Shock and Awe' bombardment was carried out from high altitude, this was done to obviate the possibility of the Iraqi's defending themselves, (Cowardly?).

Since you state that the B52s DO use this altitude to 'Carpet Bomb', are you suggesting that they may have done so?.

If corruption exists in present day India, in that money and aid is being distributed in such a manner that it is likely to be mis-used, surely the contributors of such should ensure that an effective system be put in place to prevent such mis-use.

In closure, the great Indian warrior 'Arjuna', on viewing the slaughter of thousands on the battlefield, wept and said, "This is not a victory, it is a disgrace to my nation" what a pity we have learned nothing from that time to this in terms of warfare.

Thank you for your response.

[Southerner]

that the B52s DO use this altitude to 'Carpet Bomb', are you suggesting that they may have done so?.

Carpet bombing was used in Vietnam, it was also used to great effect during the first gulf was when destroying the Republican guard positions and was well documented and publicised.
No such proof exists regarding carpet bombing during the second gulf war because it didn't happen, if it had happened it would have been shown for propoganda purposes by Saddams people.
We all remember the "Baby Milk Factory" farce.

India and Pakistan were left divided to stop the ensuing bloodbath that would have occured after independence.

I would not give one penny in aid to India or Africa, all it does is bolster corrupt governments, Billions has been poured into these countries including Palestine, the only Palestinians who truly benefitted was Yasser Arrafat and his henchmen the Palestinian people are still poor despite the aid poured in.

[GorillaGal]

Southerner, I did NOT blame the West for the living standards of the lower classes, we all know of the caste system and I disagree with it.

it seems like you disagree with alot, and yet don't wnat anything done about it because that's the way it is, that is thier culture, no one else should mess with whoever "them" is at the momnet. just an observation, not an attack, dear eliko.

[paliometoxo]

doesent it also happen in china the murdering of the baby girls?

if i had a baby gir id be the happiest guya live not want to kill her :S

[Eliko]

Southerner, I must say I am in agreement with your comments regarding carpet bombing and your reluctance to contribute to India and Africa etc, since the latter would certainly be fruitless.

Not sure about the division of the 'Old India' though, I feel it was an engineered division and the old method of pitting one section of the community against the other, resulted in a political advancement of interest, subsequent to the withdrawal of the British forces.

[Southerner]

Southerner, I must say I am in agreement with your comments regarding carpet bombing and your reluctance to contribute to India and Africa etc, since the latter would certainly be fruitless.

Not sure about the division of the 'Old India' though, I feel it was an engineered division and the old method of pitting one section of the community against the other, resulted in a political advancement of interest, subsequent to the withdrawal of the British forces.

Eliko I am, in principle, against colonialism but you must remember that it was carried out in a time when it was the done thing by the so called developed countries, had the UK not colonised these places someone else would have, I'm not defending the UK or any other colonial power, the system has gone on for thousands of years.
Regarding the separation of India let's agree to having differing views.

[GorillaGal]

doesent it also happen in china the murdering of the baby girls?

if i had a baby gir id be the happiest guya live not want to kill her :S

yes, china murders babies too, and i'm with you paliometoxo---i would love to have a baby girl or two....

[Southerner]

doesent it also happen in china the murdering of the baby girls?

if i had a baby gir id be the happiest guya live not want to kill her :S

yes, china murders babies too, and i'm with you paliometoxo---i would love to have a baby girl or two....

We already had two boys, my Wife went into labour for our third baby and produced twins (Girl and Boy) two weeks premature 6lb 11.5 ozs each. At 28 she's still my little girl.