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[paliometoxo]

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[Eliko]

A wasted life is a wasted life, those people have been TAUGHT to place a lesser value on life than we, BUT, here's the rub, We supposedly place such a high value on life, YET, as demonstrated by the murderous attack on Iraq, we do NOT portray such value.

The so called murderous attack on Iraq was an attack on the regime of a genocidal maniac, for that I make no apologies by supporting it.
Carpet bombing of civillians did not take place, people thronged the streets to welcome the coalition forces.
What really surprises me is that you never came out and condemmed the despot when he murdered millions of Muslims. If the west is guilty of anything it is that it did not finish the job in the first Gulf War, since the first and second war Saddam murdered over a million Muslims; where were you and Quamerslad during that time, who were you and him preaching to when all of that was happening? The Taleban for shooting women in the back of the head for learning to read? "It's their culture you know"
Isn't it about time you stopped blaming the west for everything Muslim fundamentalists do.

Southerner, I am NOT a Muslim, I have never indicated that I am in favour of the attrocities commited by Saddam Hussein, nor am I connected in any way with Qamersland.

I am not qualified to teach the faith of Islam, never have attempted to do so and do not intend to do so in the future.

I strongly object to the unlawful attack on Iraq, it has been PROVEN to be so and ALL my comments are directed at the illegality of that attack.

Whatever the situation in Iraq may have been PRIOR to the invasion is not under the spotlight here.

The significant points are:- Due to the unlawful and cowardly attack, (and I choose the words carefully for I can see no bravery in dropping bombs on sleeping civilians from a safe altitude of 6 miles !) the resulting mayhem is the whole responsibility of the American forces.

The conflict they have created does not even qualify for the title of 'War', there is a certain amount of honour in such a title, they do not deserve it.

Whether or not 'Carpet Bombing' was used is an irrelevance, I suspect they would have had the occasion for such use presented itself, (they may well have done so elsewhere in Iraq, WE will never know).

The slaughter of innocents spurred the resistant forces into action, those forces are ill-equipped to resist the might of the aggressor and they have resorted to the deployment of ANY means to combat the forces arrayed against them.

Ultimately they will win, because they BELIEVE in what they are doing as opposed to the unlawful invaders who are now suffering from diminishing morale.

Every drop of blood spilled, every life lost, is the result of the above, (In my opinion), I do hope I have given you something to think about Sir.

[Southerner]

The slaughter of innocents spurred the resistant forces into action, those forces are ill-equipped to resist the might of the aggressor and they have resorted to the deployment of ANY means to combat the forces arrayed against them.

Ultimately they will win, because they BELIEVE in what they are doing as opposed to the unlawful invaders who are now suffering from diminishing morale.
Every drop of blood spilled, every life lost, is the result of the above,.

Well maybe it's the US culture so that will make it alrght according to you.

Regarding resistance due to the slaughter of innocents, theyr'e not doing a very good job are they? most of the people the insurgents/terrorists are slaughtering are innocent women, children and men and Iraqis to boot.

Towns/citys were not bombed indiscriminately from an altitude of 6 miles, smart guided bombs were used, B52s were used in the first gulf war on forward military positions not on towns and citys, this was shown quite clearly in both gulf wars.

[Eliko]

The slaughter of innocents spurred the resistant forces into action, those forces are ill-equipped to resist the might of the aggressor and they have resorted to the deployment of ANY means to combat the forces arrayed against them.

Ultimately they will win, because they BELIEVE in what they are doing as opposed to the unlawful invaders who are now suffering from diminishing morale.
Every drop of blood spilled, every life lost, is the result of the above,.

Well maybe it's the US culture so that will make it alrght according to you.

Regarding resistance due to the slaughter of innocents, theyr'e not doing a very good job are they? most of the people the insurgents/terrorists are slaughtering are innocent women, children and men and Iraqis to boot.

Towns/citys were not bombed indiscriminately from an altitude of 6 miles, smart guided bombs were used, B52s were used in the first gulf war on forward military positions not on towns and citys, this was shown quite clearly in both gulf wars.

Southerner, I must say I am surprised by the weakness of your response to my observations.

Your reference to the US culture is nothing short of comical.

I have the impression that the US are getting a bloody good hiding physically, politically and mentally, THEY have created the monstrous consequences we are witnessing in the daily loss of innocent life, (Or would you prefer the people to merely submit to the superior might as the Jews did in the face of the Nazi's ?)

These people have courage, the Americans thought they were in for an 'easy ride', but their victims would rather die by their own hand than be bullied into submission, they do not want our 'democracy', they may even be fearful of the consequences of being seen as allies of the other 'democratic' nation illegally foisted upon the Middle East region.

I would personally like to see the offensive derogatory terms of 'insurgents and terrorists' removed and replaced by a more accurate term to
describe those who are resisting, why not Partisans ?, the description does fit their activities after all, but that would not suit the politicians who wish to conceal the brutality of their offences would it?.

As to 'Smart Bombs', they destroyed the lives of countless unsuspecting innocent lives, if you can justify THAT, you should be able to justify the activities of the 'Suicide Bomber' for they both have the same objective, slaughter of innocents (though the suicide bombers have a lesser death toll wouldn't you agree ?).

How anyone can show support for the unlawful assault on Iraq is beyond my comprehension Sir.

[Southerner]

[Southerner, I must say I am surprised by the weakness of your response to my observations.
Your reference to the US culture is nothing short of comical.
I:(

Well I thought you would understand the logic as it was you who justified the murder of millions of innocent unborn babys, girl babies and unsuspecting brides down the years by putting it down to Indian culture.

Come on you must be consistant Sir or is it the same old story the West has to be sqeaky clean while the rest can do what they want.

[Southerner]

I would personally like to see the offensive derogatory terms of 'insurgents and terrorists' removed and replaced by a more accurate term to
describe those who are resisting, why not Partisans ?, the description does fit their activities after all, but that would not suit the politicians who wish to conceal the brutality of their offences would it?.

The Iraqis themselves are for the most part pissed off by the insurgents/terrorists most of whom are from outside Iraq, on average the coalition lose around 4 personel each week whilst the insurgents/terrorists kill dozens of innocent Iraqis each day, if it was the other way round it would be dozens of coalition forces killed each day and by accident 4 Iraqis.
Setting off car bombs outside mosques and markets to kill your own people is hardly the work of partisans but very typical of terrorists.

Killing four of the so-called enemy at a cost of dozens of your own seems a bit of a Pyrrhic victory to me. The actual truth is they are just doing it to cause unrest and disruption supported by Iran Syria and Osama-Bin-Liner

[Eliko]

Southerner, if you cannot understand the meaning of what you read, you should not engage in a discussion about it, I did NOT justify the murder of millions of innocent unborn baby girls, I tried to examine the reasons for such terrible actions.

I DID attribute it to a 'cultural' source and do believe that to be the case, it does NOT mean that I favour it.

Poverty and desperation are also sources of such behaviour, fear of the future another.

In days gone by, the lives of the Indian peasants were considered worthless by we of the West, that attitude was impressed on them BY we of the West and their rulers, resulting in the peasants adopting a fatalistic attitude to their own existence.

Education and assistance was the answer, unfortunately, WE of the West were more concerned with the extraction of the nations mineral and other resources than we were with the well-being of the population.

Was that not the reason why the British finally had their arses kicked out of the country ? (but not before they injected the usual poison of separation of course), leaving the nation to fester, just as they would now like to see in Iraq probably.

[Southerner]

In days gone by, the lives of the Indian peasants were considered worthless by we of the West, that attitude was impressed on them BY we of the West and their rulers, resulting in the peasants adopting a fatalistic attitude to their own existence.

Was that not the reason why the British finally had their arses kicked out of the country ? (but not before they injected the usual poison of separation of course), leaving the nation to fester, just as they would now like to see in Iraq probably.

For once I must just say the is utter Bullshit! The Raj existed long before the British and other european countries were in control there.
The country gained independence in 1947 without any of the Rajahs in power and they still aren't. What have they got to show for 60 years of independence; call centres, cruise misslies, a nuclear bomb and many many thousands of unborn baby girls aborted every year.
Some culture

[Eliko]

Southerner, your perceptions are beyond my ken, you obviously obtain your information through the lenses of your horn-rimmed glasses via the newspaper, look around you Sir, wake up, are you so gulled by the utterances of political misfits that you are unable to reason for yourself ?.

I had an interesting discussion with an 'Old Soldier', the contents of such is not my reason for drawing attention to it, HIS final comment was this ;-

" So you think that all those brave men died in vain ?"

My response was:-


"Yes, not only did they die in vain, they died uselessly because the 'Victory' they were led to believe they had achieved, gave THEM nothing, it merely bolstered the already over-inflated ego's of those who created the conflict, the soldier had to return to his mundane existence"

Off you go then Southerner, follow the beat of the drum 'Eyes and Mind Shut', your master wants you to die for him.

[Southerner]

Southerner, your perceptions are beyond my ken, you obviously obtain your information through the lenses of your horn-rimmed glasses via the newspaper, look around you Sir, wake up, are you so gulled by the utterances of political misfits that you are unable to reason for yourself ?.
I had an interesting discussion with an 'Old Soldier', the contents of such is not my reason for drawing attention to it, HIS final comment was this ;-
" So you think that all those brave men died in vain ?"
My response was:-
Yes, not only did they die in vain, they died uselessly because the 'Victory' they were led to believe they had achieved, gave THEM nothing, it merely bolstered the already over-inflated ego's of those who created the conflict, the soldier had to return to his mundane existence"
Off you go then Southerner, follow the beat of the drum 'Eyes and Mind Shut', your master wants you to die for him.

What has your latest response got do with my answer timed at Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:25 pm which was in reply to your previous post timed at Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:16 pm?
Please stay on th point of issue Sir!