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[Eliko]

GorillaGal, God Bless you for the faith you have in your nation, I am not going to engage you on the issue as I am sure you have taken quite enough 'Flak' already.
I do not wish to create the impression that we are enemies, let us see what takes place in the course of the next few months.
It is almost midnight here, I am very tired and wish you a pleasant day, Goodnight. X

Eliko can you tell me if as you say the coalition are so despised in Iraq why are the Muslims killing each other by the dozen each day.
What warped sense of justice will you come up with to justify why Muslims are killing Muslims everyday, deliberately slaughtering innocent men, women and children? How will you turn it around to be the fault of the coalition. If you are a Muslim tell us your views on Muslims murdering Muslims, are they following their late leaders example by murdering Muslims, remember one incident, 180,000 Kurdish Muslims at just one sitting and lets not foreget the Marsh Arabs., how many of them were they?
It would be very easy to form the opinion that you agreed with everything that Saddam and the Taleban did.
Were you complaining when NATO forces went to the aid of Muslims in the former Yugoslavia/Kosovo. If not it seems like double standards to me.
At least GorillaGal has got integrity

Southerner, I am sure I have made my position quite clear regarding the questions you pose, if you were to read through our recent exchanges you will discover the answers you seek.

If you have formed the opinion that I condone the actions of Saddam Hussein and Co, you confirm the fact that you have not.

As to your comments about NATO, I cannot see the connection between an unlawful attack on an innocent nation (condemned by most of the world) and an action which was sanctioned by the same world leaders.

As to your veiled snipe at my integrity, I consider your remark to be insulting and beneath you Sir, if you are a gentleman of course.

Southerner, since you have introduced the word 'Integrity' into the discussions, I wonder if I may be allowed to illustrate what I consider to be a significant FACT (using the word in a certain form of interpretation ?).

You have expressed your intention to take up residence in Cyprus, I am sure you will find you are quite welcome and I wish you well.

While you are here, observe the general behaviour of the the young (particularly British) as they pursue their favourite pastimes of over indulging themselves with drink, using abusive language and abandoning every aspect of decency expected of them.

You will NOT see many Cypriot girls behaving in such a fashion, you see, they have more respect for themselves, they are more concerned with maintaining the 'INTEGRITY OF THEIR CULTURE'.

Perhaps THAT is why people of other nations do not wish to be forced into accepting what they perceive to be dominance of a decadent society ?.

Surely worth thinking about don't you think?. (That's all I do).

[Eliko]

As to your veiled snipe at my integrity, I consider your remark to be insulting and beneath you Sir, if you are a gentleman of course.

Eliko I am in no way challenging your integrity, If I appeared to I applogise, what I meant was the GorillaGal was showing her own integrity for her views which I agree with.
I never ever considered the Invasion of Iraq wrong, what I considered wrong was stopping and not finishing the job in the first Gulf War.
The west contributed to the slaughter of countless people in Iraq during the time between the trwo wars.
And if anyone comes up with indiscriminate US bombing of civillians on anything like the scale of Saddam against his own people provide proof not propoganda Baby Milk Factory garbage.

Southerner, we seem to be discussing various matters under the same heading.

The first 'Gulf War' was the result of Saddam Hussein's attempt to 'Reclaim' (as he saw it) the territory of Kuwait which also has a rather interesting history.

For a country the size of Iraq and it's capacity to produce OIL, it would appear that it is somewhat 'Landlocked' in comparison to Kuwait, which could be the root of the problem, bearing in mind the chicanery of the political rulers. (NO mystery there then).

I do not think I have ever mentioned a 'Baby Milk Factory' in any of my responses, you are possibly confusing me with some other member, I do not like to make reference to the wise words and opinions of politicians and their ilk, since it is common knowledge that they are not to be trusted.

I always seek to view situations from the perspective of those who are most affected, the ordinary people.

I have travelled extensively and have yet to discover any of such people who would not prefer to live in peace, I have NEVER met a politician who could not find an excuse for WAR, perhaps THAT is where the fault lies.

Finally, you can be sure that WE, the ordinary folk, will never be sure of the reasons behind any of the conflicts taking place worldwide, we are only served the information the politicians wish us to be privy to.

[Southerner]

Finally, you can be sure that WE, the ordinary folk, will never be sure of the reasons behind any of the conflicts taking place worldwide, we are only served the information the politicians wish us to be privy to.

I don't think for a minute there is any doubt as to why the conflicts started, it was all about oil; which is why the sooner the better the developed nations find an alternative the better then they can keep their oil.

[amazed]

yes they move to india because they pay them so little pay for the same thing th eonly difference is these idiots dont knwo what they are doing and dont help at all

past is past.. see future....

[paliometoxo]

thnc for the link

[Eliko]

Finally, you can be sure that WE, the ordinary folk, will never be sure of the reasons behind any of the conflicts taking place worldwide, we are only served the information the politicians wish us to be privy to.

I don't think for a minute there is any doubt as to why the conflicts started, it was all about oil; which is why the sooner the better the developed nations find an alternative the better then they can keep their oil.

YES, Southerner, and until that time we are at liberty to attack and destroy any oil producing nation under ANY pretext, the favourite one currently being that we wish to 'liberate' the population.

Strange then, that 'Back Home', they are imposing such hardship on their own population that thousands of them are fleeing the place in the hope of finding better elsewhere.

Gilbert and Sullivan would have been delighted with such a scenario for one of their 'Comic Operas' don't you think ?.

[Southerner]

I don't think for a minute there is any doubt as to why the conflicts started, it was all about oil; which is why the sooner the better the developed nations find an alternative the better then they can keep their oil.

YES, Southerner, and until that time we are at liberty to attack and destroy any oil producing nation under ANY pretext, the favourite one currently being that we wish to 'liberate' the population.
Strange then, that 'Back Home', they are imposing such hardship on their own population that thousands of them are fleeing the place in the hope of finding better elsewhere.[/quote]



Eliko, what were you and the Muslim world doing when Saddam murdered millions of your Muslim brothers and sisters during his days in power.
What has daily suicide car bombs in busy Muslim populated areas, detonated by Muslims, murdering your Muslim brothers ans sisters, got to do with the coalition forces?
And what the hell has this got to do with the killing of baby girls?

[Eliko]

Southerner, since I am NOT a muslim,I am unable to answer the first part of your question, like you, I wasn't there.

I do know that whatever atrocities were commited, they were sanctioned by and ignored by those who COULD have done something about it, the likes of you and I being powerless.

At least we did not train, finance and supply the means for such atrocities, nor did we ever befriend and shake hands with the 'Tyrant' responsible for such actions.

As to the car bombs etc, they are the direct result of the cowardly assault on that nation and are the reponsibility of the aggressors since no such incidents occured prior to the said assault.

This thread has NOTHING to do with killing baby girls, it has gone off track, not my fault.

[Eliko]

[ quote="Southerner"]
And what the hell has this got to do with the killing of baby girls?[/quote]


If you take the time to review post 9 on page 5 of this thread, I think you will discover that it was YOU who took us 'off track' when you introduced the subject of 'Carpet Bombings' and Saddam Hussein into the discussion.

[paliometoxo]

SICK WRONG THING TO KILL BABY GIRLS AND NOTHING MAKES IT RIGHT JUST BECAUSE SOME GIRLS CHOSE TO DO DRUGS AND RUINE THEIR LIVES AT LEAST THEY HAD THE CHOICE INSTEAD OF MURDERD JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE A GIRL... SICK SICK SICK THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT