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[Get Real!]

"Enosis had always been for the Greek Cypriots a deeprooted national aspiration. To me independence is a comprimise. In other words, if I had a free choice between ENOSIS and independence, I would support ENOSIS."

Murataga, you have regurgitated this same old crap in no less than 7 threads…

The Cyprus Issue: What Is the Next Step?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ise#178268

Are TCs joint owners of Cyprus.
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ise#173543

This is the GC president
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ise#158886

Occupied north: A human rights black hole
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ise#158401

ENOSIS - no comment
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ise#152025

Not only does it remain unsubstantiated, but you really ought to start playing a different record don’t you think???

[Murataga]

Archbishop Makarios III, in an interview with the Frankfurter Rundschau, reported in Cyprus Mail, 16 May 1974 :

"Enosis had always been for the Greek Cypriots a deeprooted national aspiration. To me independence is a comprimise. In other words, if I had a free choice between ENOSIS and independence, I would support ENOSIS."

Interesting spelling mistakes by the "Cyprus Mail"...

Trying to feed on the crumbs?...

To you it is unsubstantiated because it doesn`t suit what you promote. I have provided you the date, the phrase and the source. You are more than welcomed to proove me wrong (as some loosers previously attempted and failed miserably: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30). The spelling mistakes are on me, the statement is on your leader, the documentation is on Cyprus Mail. Go look it up...

Now... try coming up with an arguement for a change:

Piratis wrote-

It is nothing but a fact that our side has officially condemned the actions of Junta and EOKA B

Your side was the one that invited the EOKA-B and the Junta to Cyprus in the first place; and the last time I checked you have a large bronze statue in Nicosia of the guy who invited them here...

From the address made by Archbishop Makarios III before the U.N. security council on 19 July 1974- Security Council official records, S/PV.1780)

"It may be said that it was the Cyprus Government which invited the Greek officers to staff the National Guard. I regret to say that it was a mistake on my part to bestow upon them so much trust and confidence. They abused that trust and confidence and, instead of helping in the defence of the Island`s independence, sovereignity and territorial integrity, they themselves became the aggressors."

Oh, by the way... here is how trustworthy the guy is for he may fool an untrained eye about where he stands on Cyprus` independece in this previous quote...

Archbishop Makarios III, in an interview with the Frankfurter Rundschau, reported in Cyprus Mail, 16 May 1974 :

"Enosis had always been for the Greek Cypriots a deeprooted national aspiration. To me independence is a comprimise. In other words, if I had a free choice between ENOSIS and independence, I would support ENOSIS."

Take your perverted political manouvers and sell it to somewhere else. The TCs know all too well of what you celebrate and what you condemn.

[Get Real!]

To you it is unsubstantiated because it doesn`t suit what you promote. I have provided you the date, the phrase and the source. You are more than welcomed to proove me wrong (as some loosers previously attempted and failed miserably: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30). The spelling mistakes are on me, the statement is on your leader, the documentation is on Cyprus Mail. Go look it up...

It doesn't work like that Murataga so unless you post a non-"TRNC" link it remains UTTER RUBBISH so please stop repeating it!

[oranos64]

woo turkish_cypriot ..is nearly in tears ..sorry if i hit a raw nerve bro ...like i said i accept that both sides made mistakes and committed atrocities .....but your responce is typrical you hate to accept that both your own military carried out attrcoities on both communities when they attempted to create " control " in the new boundries ......sorry bro wake up .,.you have been brainwashed for too long ... i dont need to show you clips ..ill present two Turkish cypriots who escaped prisons and were tortured ...both interviewed by U.N IPF ..RECENTLY .. ..i will release the clips when closer to the right time to appropriate persons ...in other words someone who wants to present a balance view ,ONCE theese negotiations begin so we get a balance few ...
it seems by reading some of the responces by turkish cypriots there is blind denial ..both in examples where the past is brought up during OTTOMAN/mongol /turks invasiton or any refernce to recent attrocites ie 1996 murders on greek line by TCS ...completly over top responces by TCS
THE GCs have some honour they admit some mistakes but no the TCS they just cant say" yeah we made mistakes too" ...both the U.N and various investigative bodies have proven that both sides attacked one anthers enclaves .,.,this is accepted ,,where is the accepted by TC government ,,even papadoupolos ,,,accepts these mistakes and apologises .

i find it laughable that TCS ..deny this even where there is documented evidence that british bodies ...push the communties towards confrontation ...and equally T.C extremist took extreme measures to ignite hate by attacking and punishing neutrals ....in their own communities (burning homes ,...i have seen confessions both in british and international press) one thing for sure i have better information than most on this site .

anyway when its all said and done ...the more you deny your mistakes ,lies and bullshit ,.the more egg you will have on your face later ...only cowards avoid the truth ,......

[Murataga]

To you it is unsubstantiated because it doesn`t suit what you promote. I have provided you the date, the phrase and the source. You are more than welcomed to proove me wrong (as some loosers previously attempted and failed miserably: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30). The spelling mistakes are on me, the statement is on your leader, the documentation is on Cyprus Mail. Go look it up...

It doesn't work like that Murataga so unless you post a non-"TRNC" link it remains UTTER RUBBISH so please stop repeating it!

Magnificent!!! I guess we have room for a small bet here, how about it? What will you do if I scan the Cyprus Mail edition here ? I`m going to enjoy this so much

[Murataga]

Oh by the way... Still no counter-arguement on this?

Piratis wrote-

It is nothing but a fact that our side has officially condemned the actions of Junta and EOKA B

Your side was the one that invited the EOKA-B and the Junta to Cyprus in the first place; and the last time I checked you have a large bronze statue in Nicosia of the guy who invited them here...

From the address made by Archbishop Makarios III before the U.N. security council on 19 July 1974- Security Council official records, S/PV.1780)

"It may be said that it was the Cyprus Government which invited the Greek officers to staff the National Guard. I regret to say that it was a mistake on my part to bestow upon them so much trust and confidence. They abused that trust and confidence and, instead of helping in the defence of the Island`s independence, sovereignity and territorial integrity, they themselves became the aggressors."

Oh, by the way... here is how trustworthy the guy is for he may fool an untrained eye about where he stands on Cyprus` independece in this previous quote...

Archbishop Makarios III, in an interview with the Frankfurter Rundschau, reported in Cyprus Mail, 16 May 1974 :

"Enosis had always been for the Greek Cypriots a deeprooted national aspiration. To me independence is a comprimise. In other words, if I had a free choice between ENOSIS and independence, I would support ENOSIS."

Take your perverted political manouvers and sell it to somewhere else. The TCs know all too well of what you celebrate and what you condemn.

[Get Real!]

To you it is unsubstantiated because it doesn`t suit what you promote. I have provided you the date, the phrase and the source. You are more than welcomed to proove me wrong (as some loosers previously attempted and failed miserably: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30). The spelling mistakes are on me, the statement is on your leader, the documentation is on Cyprus Mail. Go look it up...

It doesn't work like that Murataga so unless you post a non-"TRNC" link it remains UTTER RUBBISH so please stop repeating it!

Magnificent!!! I guess we have room for a small bet here, how about it? What will you do if I scan the Cyprus Mail edition here ? I`m going to enjoy this so much

Post a decent link please for YOUR credibility’s sake, as we all do, and not over any bet.

If you were to pay me every time I provided evidence of what I was talking about I’d be a wealthy man.

[Kikapu]

Hi T_C,

Do I detect a lot of hate and name calling coming from you in your today's ( Sundays) posts. If all this happened in your first two weeks of Military Training, I hate to see how you will end up after further two more weeks, specially after you're taken to the "Bath Tub Murders" house, as our old friend "Shahmaran" described it as the "Brainwashing Session".

I should be grateful that you did not go for the full three months of Military Service, or else we would have never recognised you again.

I think your brain is now completely full, and all the excess "information" is spilling over into the Forum.

[Murataga]

To you it is unsubstantiated because it doesn`t suit what you promote. I have provided you the date, the phrase and the source. You are more than welcomed to proove me wrong (as some loosers previously attempted and failed miserably: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30). The spelling mistakes are on me, the statement is on your leader, the documentation is on Cyprus Mail. Go look it up...

It doesn't work like that Murataga so unless you post a non-"TRNC" link it remains UTTER RUBBISH so please stop repeating it!

Magnificent!!! I guess we have room for a small bet here, how about it? What will you do if I scan the Cyprus Mail edition here ? I`m going to enjoy this so much

Post a decent link please for YOUR credibility’s sake, as we all do, and not over any bet.

If you were to pay me every time I provided evidence of what I was talking about I’d be a wealthy man.

Nice to see you bend

[Kikapu]

I watched this so called "documentary" this morning, and to be honest with you all, I did not learn anything, other than the names of some more innocent victims of our pasts ugly history. This so called "documentary" gave the world a false impression of our troubled island. It just showed a very tiny clip of all those died since 1963 until now due to the islands conflict with it self and Turkey. It told the world, as if this is all there is to the Cyprus problems and that is the reason why we can't live together and also the reason why the island is divided for the last 33 years. Those who do not know our complete history, will walk away after seeing this "documentary" saying, "is that all there is to the Cyprus problems" because that is nothing in comparison to other problems around the world. I feel that Tony Angastiniotis was promoting this "documentary" for himself and not for the truth to come out. Do we all not know that many innocent victims were murdered by both sides, so lets accept the fact, that many innocents died, or was this film about the 16 days old child who was killed. Was Tony trying to play on the emotions of us all or was he trying to bring some closure to the baby's father.

Why was Tony using the voices from the Grave of this poor baby, who was portrayed as a young girl. Why did he not use the baby as a full grown woman, which is what she would have been at the time Tony made this "documentary". Was Tony trying to manipulate our emotions by using the images and the voices of a young girl, as if we were not able to really feel horrified enough by the murder of a 16 days old child and her family. What ever was on Tony's mind, he did not do his job properly by giving us and the world full account to the Cyprus Problems. Cyprus Problems are not about one or two villages or about one or two families in Cyprus, but it's about many many villages and many many families.

I could not help but compare this "documentary" with it's emotionally sensitive music to the film made many years ago by the title "YOL" which won the Best Picture awards at Cannes Film Festival in 1982. It too was very emotional with similar emotionally charged music. Was Tony trying to win an award here by trying to create something like "YOL" to try and win some awards, or was he trying to tell the world all the crimes that happened in Cyprus since 1963. I believe he has failed to do the latter, and I doubt this "documentary" will receive any awards either.