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[Pyrpolizer]

E.g what are we going to criticise Papadopoulos for? The fact that he never excericised any veto against Turkey? The fact that he gave you electricity at a time you would just get totally bankrupt if he didn't? For the fact that at least he managed to make the 8th July agreement with the UN whereas your leaders has done absolutely nothing? For the fact that he put in practice at least 20 measures in favor of the TC people and none in favor of TrashNcan?

[pantheman]

T_C, thanks for the video, i am so sickened by what i saw. Doesn't matter who you are, you have to feel for these people. I can now appreciate more the feelings prevailing thoughout the community. Sorry mate.

Notwithstanding the above, i am sure the film could easily have interchanged the TCs for GCs and the same story would be told over.

Sadly, i have to say, by bringing these sort of images to the present, just stirs up the feelings again and i think that even though these people should be remembered, we need to let go if we are ever to move on.

I read it in a posting further up, I now think that these topics have made me more bitter than ever, the insults, the blame game, bad feelings. I think i might just ease off a bit and see if my feelings change.

thanks again.

[Murataga]

Perhaps they have a more valid basis to criticise?

And such is a fabulous demonstration of what I have been talking about when I say: alternative media.

[Murataga]

E.g what are we going to criticise Papadopoulos for? The fact that he never excericised any veto against Turkey? The fact that he gave you electricity at a time you would just get totally bankrupt if he didn't? For the fact that at least he managed to make the 8th July agreement with the UN whereas your leaders has done absolutely nothing? For the fact that he put in practice at least 20 measures in favor of the TC people and none in favor of TrashNcan?

Even a better one here

[humanist]

It's very powerful Pyr. It would be nice to get the other side of the events of leading up to 1974. Anyhow we wont. We can't even get an acknowledgement for some TC members on this forum, let alone get a movie.

DT do you really belive that the Talat administration will ever allow him to film the attrocities carried out by Turkish and Turkish speaking soldiers and military uopn the Greek spaking refugees. I THINK NOT>

[Pyrpolizer]

Perhaps they have a more valid basis to criticise?

And such is a fabulous demonstration of what I have been talking about when I say: alternative media.

What do you mean? I don't understand you.

[Pyrpolizer]

It's very powerful Pyr. It would be nice to get the other side of the events of leading up to 1974. Anyhow we wont. We can't even get an acknowledgement for some TC members on this forum, let alone get a movie.

What do you mean humanist? Are you talking about the film?
Man i am not wearing blinkers, for your information I have voice of Blood saved on a CD. I haven't seen version 2 yet but I ill surely see it. I would rather prefer to download and save it though but so far nobody gave a link.

I don't know if it would be enough proof to you that I never wore blinkers, but truly and honestly there was nothing in Voice of blood (ver.1) that I didn't already know a long time before I saw the film. Except of course the real face of the boy (now grandpa) who escaped the Tochni massacre.

Perhaps something that you don't know is the one who collected the men from Tochni is still alive, he has been recognised by TCs, he lives at the entrance of the Tochni village, he deals with excavators and heavy machinery,his name is Andronikou, and NO TC PRESSED ANY CHARGES OR EVEN CARED TO REPORT HIM TO THE POLICE OR TAKE THE MATTER TO EU COURT AND TESTIFY AND HAVE THAT MAN SENTENSED AS WAR CRIMINAL.

Who is going to do that other than the TC eyewitnesses?

[paliometoxo]

i havent seen the first just the second today it wold be nice to be ble to download but if you search on google videos you will find a link easily

[humanist]

Hi Pyr, yes I did mean that I found the film powerful.

I also want to say I did not suggest by any means you are wearing blinkers. I am not looking for you to prove anything to me and I apologie if what I said could have been taken that way. For me the film presented another side of the story of Cyprus in 1974, but also represented how similar the experiences between greek/ turkish speaking cypriots were in those days.

I think if we acknowledge and accept that Tochni massacre did take place then the goernment of Cyprus needs to take action about this man. If the tc community is considering unification based on trust then the President of the RoC needs to set a committee to look at this mans actions and take him to court and try him as a war criminal.

I think that would indicate to the tc community that Cyprus is on a path to peace and part of that is punishing those who perpetrated such crimes upon that community. Surely that would be a positive step to building trust, accepting responsibilty and moving forward. Besides if this crimial does end up in gaol and he as an individual is tried for his crimes then it also enable people to see that not all greek spaeking cyriots want to perpetrate violence against tc's.

[paliometoxo]

if u could post a link to download the 1st pls? also the 2?