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[paliometoxo]

thats rubbish and u know it

[Kikapu]

Is everybody corrupt for telling the truth about your dirty tricks that got you into the EU?

mrfromng,

Do you really believe that all 15 EU members got fooled by the RoC to enter the EU without the 15 EU members not knowing what they were doing. I wrote about this last year regarding the the RoC being the "Trojan Horse" to stop Turkey's entry into the EU, if the EU ever needed an excuse down the road to block Turkey entry.

If there's no Cyprus Solution, then the RoC will do just that.

If the EU does want Turkey in the EU, then Cyprus problem will be solved also.

So you see, it is a win win for the RoC and can't lose either way or anymore than what they already have.

On the long run, Turkey will need to solve the Cyprus problem to enter the EU, unless of course the new voting system in the EU will be based on Double Majority Voting System starting in 2014, latest 2017.

I'm not certain if it also applies to new member's entry into the EU or not with this system. If it does, then the RoC's veto will be almost ineffective to stop Turkey's entry into the EU with or without Cyprus Problem solved or not. Of course, there are many other countries that does not want Turkey in the EU.

[MR-from-NG]

There was of course an easy solution for the game to be played, and that was to move the game to the RoC, which would have had all the legal requirements to be accepted by all sides. Just think for a moment. TC's and GC's at the same stadium supporting Cetinkaya V's Luton. So why didn't Talat do that, if it was important for the game to go on and keep the scheduled meetings on track.

Somebody wanted an out of the meetings and they got it.

Are both sides really trying to get things done together, or is it more of who can FUCK the other HARDEST:

When is the "TRNC" going to recognise, that they are not internationally RECOGNISED and stop trying to do things through the back door.

It's time to put "Kofi Kikapu's Peace Solution" to work. Had that been in place already, the game would have been already over with and played in the North.

Score....Luton 5....Cetnikaya 5

Kikapu, please take your fucking KIKAPUOLOUS hat off and see the real world will you. The Greeks did this knowing how we would react. They do not want a solution and that's final.

All my GC friend's wishing to have their properties back can wait another 100 years.

[bigOz]

It all goes back to what I wrote about a month a ago! TP and Co cannot expect meetings and settlements based on good will, when at every opportunity they are showing "bad-will" in the international arena, to cut off any further development in TCs lifestyle! If you intend to come to a settlement and expect one soon, then what does it matter if TCs fly home direct or play Manchester United in a friendly?

I can understand the feelings of the extinct "sabre tooth white tigers"(?) but I cannot understand those who claim to want an end this conflict with a peaceful solution, applauding such behaviour! I'll tell you exactly what the end product of all this is:

1. TCs in general will see the GCs and their government as two faced backstabbers, not to be trusted yet.

2. It will give the chance to any Partition demanding nationalist fanatic to say: "You see, we told you so! Now will you believe the only friends Turks have are the other Turks!".

3. It will dilute the goodwill, so far being shown by the solution seeking CTP, because their supporters will start demanding less tolerance to GCs behaviour.

4. Some supporters of a united Cyprus or a federal system will now switch sides to those who are anti-unification.

Whether anyone likes it or not, the above is exactly what is happening. In any case Talat had no choice but to act to please the will of the people in the North - a political move not wanting to alienate his or CTP supporters! One would have like to see a GC football team come over to North and play a TC team (or the other way round)! Not screaming like bitches because the very people you intend to share a homeland with are having a friendly international game!

It has done absolutely fuck all for inter-communal relationships, to any sensible future meetings or increasing trust for the GCs! IT IS UTTERLY REDICILOUS AND COMICAL, USING POLITICAL PRESSURE TO STOP A FRIENDLY GAME BEING PLAYED WITH A FOREIGN TEAM, AT TIME WHEN THE RoC GOVERNMENT CAN DO NOTHING TO STOP GCs FROM CROSSING OVER INTO TRNC TO DINE, WINE, GAMBLE AND ENJOY THEMSELVES! Is this hypocracy at its highest or what?

Hey give it a rest so that others can put their views forward too!

By the time my post registered, two other posts already followed it - are people getting off on this or what?

[paliometoxo]

well said

[bigOz]

Is everybody corrupt for telling the truth about your dirty tricks that got you into the EU?

mrfromng,

Do you really believe that all 15 EU members got fooled by the RoC to enter the EU without the 15 EU members not knowing what they were doing. I wrote about this last year regarding the the RoC being the "Trojan Horse" to stop Turkey's entry into the EU, if the EU ever needed an excuse down the road to block Turkey entry.

If there's no Cyprus Solution, then the RoC will do just that.

If the EU does want Turkey in the EU, then Cyprus problem will be solved also.

So you see, it is a win win for the RoC and can't lose either way or anymore than what they already have.

On the long run, Turkey will need to solve the Cyprus problem to enter the EU, unless of course the new voting system in the EU will be based on Double Majority Voting System starting in 2014, latest 2017.

I'm not certain if it also applies to new member's entry into the EU or not with this system. If it does, then the RoC's veto will be almost ineffective to stop Turkey's entry into the EU with or without Cyprus Problem solved or not. Of course, there are many other countries that does not want Turkey in the EU.

- Turkey does not give a shit about EU!
- Turkish people no longer find EU a desirable proposition!
- I do not want Turkey or Cyprus to be in EU (alas half is already in - the balls will follow soon, as the saying goes).
- Eu is a sick old man about to burst at its seams because of the recent Balkan entries!
- The founder members of EU have started to have their doubts about EUs future and its purpose, which has surpassed its original one (EEC)!
- EU have tried but realised they cannot dictate to Turkey what to do with her international politics using membership as a carrot. Hence the recent U turn by Merkel, claiming it was a mistake allowing Cyprus into EU!

[paliometoxo]

rubbish the turks just pretend they dont want it.. talat saying oh we losing apettite for eu so they are accepted without complying with the laws

[Kikapu]

There was of course an easy solution for the game to be played, and that was to move the game to the RoC, which would have had all the legal requirements to be accepted by all sides. Just think for a moment. TC's and GC's at the same stadium supporting Cetinkaya V's Luton. So why didn't Talat do that, if it was important for the game to go on and keep the scheduled meetings on track.

Somebody wanted an out of the meetings and they got it.

Are both sides really trying to get things done together, or is it more of who can FUCK the other HARDEST:

When is the "TRNC" going to recognise, that they are not internationally RECOGNISED and stop trying to do things through the back door.

It's time to put "Kofi Kikapu's Peace Solution" to work. Had that been in place already, the game would have been already over with and played in the North.

Score....Luton 5....Cetnikaya 5

Kikapu, please take your fucking KIKAPUOLOUS hat off and see the real world will you. The Greeks did this knowing how we would react. They do not want a solution and that's final.

All my GC friend's wishing to have their properties back can wait another 100 years.

All I'm pointing out mrfromng is, there is always a remedy to all the problems. The question is, do you throw all options out of the window. In this case, that's what happened. Sure the game could have been played in the North if no one objected, but then there would have been another game arranged the following week and the one after. The point being, the RoC is not going to lift a finger to help the TC's, unless there are some signs of peace on the way. What Talat should have done, was to continue with the meetings and point out that if we are going to move towards peace, then there has to be some back-bending by the RoC to at least allow friendly games to go on. What everyone got to see instead was, that the RoC calls the shots in what happens in the "TRNC" on International level and that further promotes their Legal Rights within the International Community, or else, Luton would have just ignored the complaint and played the game in the North. Looks like we are joined at the hip with the RoC whether we like it or not. I'm just stating the facts, so don't get upset with me as to what has already happened and why. I did not cause the cancellation of the stupid game.

[bigOz]

rubbish the turks just pretend they dont want it.. talat saying oh we losing apettite for eu so they are accepted without complying with the laws

I was referring to Turks in Turkey not Cypriots. Recent public research has shown most are against entering EU...

[SN]

rubbish the turks just pretend they dont want it.. talat saying oh we losing apettite for eu so they are accepted without complying with the laws

I was referring to Turks in Turkey not Cypriots. Recent public research has shown most are against entering EU...

Hyriet did an article on this issue.Very interesting BUT i know most people in Turkey dont trust the polls in Turkey.As far as i am aware most of the polls in Turkey are not reliable.