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by **Pyrpolizer** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:16 pm

Let me first say that during the years following the 1974 invasion the GCs and especially the refugees were living in constant anxiety and despair counting the days waiting from one day to another that an agreement would be reached so they could return home and go on with their lives as before
A reflection of this despair and constant counting of even the minutes was reflected even in the media. RIK had 1-2 news bullettins before 1974.After 1974 it started having news every one hour!

Today looking at the Tcs and how anxious they seem to be to have a solution, reminds me of the GC anxiousness during the first 15-20 years after 1974.

The question is:When have the TCs started wanting a solution? Don’t tell me there was even one TC who for at least 10 years after 1974 even cared watching the news to learn if Denktash had agreed anything with the GCs! It was more than obvious, that for the TCs all their problems have been solved, they became rich from the Gc properties from one day to another, and all they were thinking was "if something came out with the talks Denktash is having with the Greeks like signing us a paper giving us everything we already grabbed, fine. If not who cares?"

What makes me laugh is seen TCs in here (Murataga been the greatest example) saying "you have stolen our rights" you are recopgnised as the official legal state and we are not, you got into the EU and we are out, we are isolated from the whole orld, you impose embargoes (what??? !!!) :razz:

on us, and some other typical nonsense e/g from VP saying "why can’t I have the same rights as you" and all that stuff.

So the question once again is:
When exactly have the TCs realised there WAS PROBLEM in Cyprus?
And when exactly have they realised that what they and their mama Turka did to 180,000 GC people, by outsting them and turning them into refugees in their own country, grabbing their lands/homes and properties would backfire by itself.

Do you really believe your isolation and everything, were really pre-planned by the GCs or was it something that came by itself as a reslt of the Invasion and all those illegalities that followed the creation of the so called "trnc"? Me as a GC I can surely tell you we wewre surprised to hear you threw away the RoC stamps with which you were doing exports and that your exports were not affected one iota for as long as the early 90s (24 years after 1974!)

Come on guys enlighten us, when exactly have you started wanting a solution just when your own TRashNcan declared bankraptcy whereas as the same time the GCs were one step away from the EU? In other words just 4 years ago?

Were those 4 years enough for you to realize the anxiety and pain of the GCs who were expecting a "solution" for 30+ years??? How would you feel if Papadopoulos puts you on hold for 30 years starting from today, and when those years are over they just present you a plan where they ask you to sign your losing everything?

by **paliometoxo** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:38 pm

well said i couldent agree with u more.

by **ge0rg10** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:36 pm

i hate to admit it but i agree aswell but if it were the other way round we would have done and thought the same. none of this would have happend if it wasnt for enosis, once TCs were 'saved' from GCs they were happy that they got some free land, but now that GC have EU membership TCs are green with envy. RoC has become rich and the TRNC is poor. Now both 'sides' have reason for negotiation hopefully something will happen.

by **Get Real!** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:03 pm

Good work Pyro.

The truth of the matter is that up to 1974 the TC community was generally very poor so once Turkey captured the northern part of Cyprus the TC's probably thought that all their financial problems would be solved now that they could pretty much walk into any refugee’s abandoned home and make it their own along with all its belongings!

I can imagine the frenzy of ransacking and looting that must have taken place once Turkey ended the hostilities and erected the border at the ceasefire line.

However, even if someone was to give you a “free” house, furniture, and car, it does not solve your day to day living requirements and this is where the infrastructure with its economy comes into play. Without this mechanism there is no life as the Turkish Cypriot community would have quickly found out and the excitement of “acquiring” someone else’s property would’ve swiftly worn off.

Do we have a "daring" TC member who lived through those initial weeks, months, and years, in the “TRNC” and is prepared to share those experiences with us?

by **Kikapu** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:16 pm

Pyro,

According to certain member here on the forum who claims to represent the majority of the TC's in the "TRNC", a solution to them is in fact a Partition, so who are the TC's that you are talking about, who wanted a solution in the last 4 years with the GC's.??

by **DT.** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:28 pm

its a few members that want to pick and choose kikapu.

They want EU membership without a cypriot government that acquired membership
They want international recognition without recognising the homeowners their rights to their homes
They want a north and south state without giving up on the natural resources that the south has recently discovered,
They want direct trade in order to bring the economy of the north to par with the south wihtout giving up on a separate state which will be reinforced with direct trade
They want 20% of the population to vote with the power of 50% and 80% of the population to also vote with 50%

I would however love to listen to someone with the experience those days as GR says of what happened when everyone started getting free homes and other people's possessions handed out.

We've heard their sad stories from that period now lets hear their "happy" stories.

by **zan** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:20 pm

I am sorry guys but this is utter rubbish. The single point that TCs got rich over night with GC property is so out of line that it nearly does not even merit a reply. I have told you before that the normal every day TC would not touch GC property with a bargepole because they thought as soon as there is an agreement then the property would be taken back and every time I enquired about buying some land I was given the same advice. The TC property was fetching four times the amount of GC property so every one was cautious. I am not sayinmg that NO one ever bought GC land and some unscroupolous people even sold some on as soon as a solution was even talked about but as usual the propagandist about you are trying to spread crap information. You still refuse to acknowledge the fact that the Yes vote on the Annan plan was for unification and the guy on the street had no idea what he was voting for.

Keep it up guys...You are making more enemies day by day. :roll: