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[MR-from-NG]

VP, today I am not in the mood to give you any more of my time. I think you have a stance on partition, I accept that , I disagree with you, but I am also not going to enter into a discussion. Not once have I heard Talat say lets acknowledge the past lets talk about what policy we can implement to ensure that it does not happen again. I am not going to get into a discussion with you ont his topic today. Thank for respecting my wish. Andreas

Pyrpolizer, I am sorry and thank you for clarifying that for me.

On your coment to VP ........ I do believe you are right yes they only started a different tact four years ago the only solution they want is partition and recognition. Not once their leader has stated to EU we want help to assist with integration of our economic system with that of the RoC for a forward step towards unification of the Island and its people in all domains of Cypriot life.

Have you the time today to respond with logic to the current state of affairs, its taken your ex eoka leader over 4 years to invite Talat for a meet and I am certain that you are not stupid and undersand exactly why, Talats reaction is only to be expected and even delayed as I stated if it were me I would have told him where he can stick his invite from day 1. We are not to be pushed around by GCs and we have to show that even with isolation being enforced we will not sucumb to GC tricks of playing the public for a few more votes.

What has you leadership done sine the AP rejection to bring the 2 communities closer together, your answering this simple question honestly will reveal why Talat sees no prospect in moving forward with your current leaders as they are smug in the knowledge that we they are in the EU and the dynamics there will force the TC via osmosis to succumb to the "RoC" and be reduced to just another minority living in a GC state..well we will never go down that path and the EU will realize if they havent done so slready that the south does not have the vision of the EU to compromise and resolve...their aim is to impose what they feel is right for themselves and to hell with everyone else. The day will come when that level playing field will develop and be forced on the GC leadership due to their lack of flexiblity and then the GCs will be kicking themselves for not taking a proactive role resolving issues between the 2 communities, the chasm gets wider and the GC excuses increase to a point that again they will make the fatal mistake of over estimating their own importance in the grand scheme of things...which on the world stage is next to nothing.

1) Stop criticising our lack of movement on re-unification....you want partition remember?
2) When you call Papadopoulos an ex-eoka leader it is not an insult. EOKA fighters are heroes in our eyes who fought against ther english for unification at a time when nothing else was on the cards but continued submission to the english.
3) As far as I recall the 8th July agreement has been agreed by both sides since 2006. Talat has been the one to go back on his word matey and refuse to go ahead with it.

DT,

With due respect it is your lack of effort that has made the vast majority of TCs into partitionists.

Papadopulos may well be a hero to you but to us he is a villain. Its up to Papad to convince us that he has the best interest in his heart for us TCs now and he had the best of intentions for us when he fought against the British. (I don't think his capable of doing this because of his overwhelming hatred for the TCs)

Both sides have been stupid with the negotiations, ultimately they are representing the public, I would be more than happy to see the back of both the fuckers. Some new blood may be the answer.

[MR-from-NG]

VP, today I am not in the mood to give you any more of my time. I think you have a stance on partition, I accept that , I disagree with you, but I am also not going to enter into a discussion. Not once have I heard Talat say lets acknowledge the past lets talk about what policy we can implement to ensure that it does not happen again. I am not going to get into a discussion with you ont his topic today. Thank for respecting my wish. Andreas

Pyrpolizer, I am sorry and thank you for clarifying that for me.

On your coment to VP ........ I do believe you are right yes they only started a different tact four years ago the only solution they want is partition and recognition. Not once their leader has stated to EU we want help to assist with integration of our economic system with that of the RoC for a forward step towards unification of the Island and its people in all domains of Cypriot life.

Have you the time today to respond with logic to the current state of affairs, its taken your ex eoka leader over 4 years to invite Talat for a meet and I am certain that you are not stupid and undersand exactly why, Talats reaction is only to be expected and even delayed as I stated if it were me I would have told him where he can stick his invite from day 1. We are not to be pushed around by GCs and we have to show that even with isolation being enforced we will not sucumb to GC tricks of playing the public for a few more votes.

What has you leadership done sine the AP rejection to bring the 2 communities closer together, your answering this simple question honestly will reveal why Talat sees no prospect in moving forward with your current leaders as they are smug in the knowledge that we they are in the EU and the dynamics there will force the TC via osmosis to succumb to the "RoC" and be reduced to just another minority living in a GC state..well we will never go down that path and the EU will realize if they havent done so slready that the south does not have the vision of the EU to compromise and resolve...their aim is to impose what they feel is right for themselves and to hell with everyone else. The day will come when that level playing field will develop and be forced on the GC leadership due to their lack of flexiblity and then the GCs will be kicking themselves for not taking a proactive role resolving issues between the 2 communities, the chasm gets wider and the GC excuses increase to a point that again they will make the fatal mistake of over estimating their own importance in the grand scheme of things...which on the world stage is next to nothing.

Excellent post VP. No doubt our GC friends will read this and say "there goes the partitionist with his propaganda again". I wish there was a magic wand I could wave for these guys to start seeing the realities of the Cyprus situation, but there isn't and when they finally do realise it may well be too late.

Well said VP.

Mrfromng do you not consider VPs posts a little hyupocritical when he accusses the gC side of not doing anything to support unification and in the same breath declares that partition is the only option?

DT,

VP is the creation of Papad Cyprus policy, he is not alone, in fact he represent the vast majority of our community.

Now when it comes to you guys I'm really puzzled. Iceman is a very dear friend of mine. He really enjoyed meeting you guys and thinks very highly of you. He clearly thinks of you guys as very educated, very articulate and very intelligent. This is evident in all you guys posts(GR, Bana and yourself). Now my concern is if such high calibre people are blind to the tactics and dirty tricks of Mr Papad what chance do the common public have of seeing the realities. And this in turn translates to what chance do the TCs have in this whole mess.

[DT.]

VP, today I am not in the mood to give you any more of my time. I think you have a stance on partition, I accept that , I disagree with you, but I am also not going to enter into a discussion. Not once have I heard Talat say lets acknowledge the past lets talk about what policy we can implement to ensure that it does not happen again. I am not going to get into a discussion with you ont his topic today. Thank for respecting my wish. Andreas

Pyrpolizer, I am sorry and thank you for clarifying that for me.

On your coment to VP ........ I do believe you are right yes they only started a different tact four years ago the only solution they want is partition and recognition. Not once their leader has stated to EU we want help to assist with integration of our economic system with that of the RoC for a forward step towards unification of the Island and its people in all domains of Cypriot life.

Have you the time today to respond with logic to the current state of affairs, its taken your ex eoka leader over 4 years to invite Talat for a meet and I am certain that you are not stupid and undersand exactly why, Talats reaction is only to be expected and even delayed as I stated if it were me I would have told him where he can stick his invite from day 1. We are not to be pushed around by GCs and we have to show that even with isolation being enforced we will not sucumb to GC tricks of playing the public for a few more votes.

What has you leadership done sine the AP rejection to bring the 2 communities closer together, your answering this simple question honestly will reveal why Talat sees no prospect in moving forward with your current leaders as they are smug in the knowledge that we they are in the EU and the dynamics there will force the TC via osmosis to succumb to the "RoC" and be reduced to just another minority living in a GC state..well we will never go down that path and the EU will realize if they havent done so slready that the south does not have the vision of the EU to compromise and resolve...their aim is to impose what they feel is right for themselves and to hell with everyone else. The day will come when that level playing field will develop and be forced on the GC leadership due to their lack of flexiblity and then the GCs will be kicking themselves for not taking a proactive role resolving issues between the 2 communities, the chasm gets wider and the GC excuses increase to a point that again they will make the fatal mistake of over estimating their own importance in the grand scheme of things...which on the world stage is next to nothing.

Excellent post VP. No doubt our GC friends will read this and say "there goes the partitionist with his propaganda again". I wish there was a magic wand I could wave for these guys to start seeing the realities of the Cyprus situation, but there isn't and when they finally do realise it may well be too late.

Well said VP.

Mrfromng do you not consider VPs posts a little hyupocritical when he accusses the gC side of not doing anything to support unification and in the same breath declares that partition is the only option?

DT,

VP is the creation of Papad Cyprus policy, he is not alone, in fact he represent the vast majority of our community.

Now when it comes to you guys I'm really puzzled. Iceman is a very dear friend of mine. He really enjoyed meeting you guys and thinks very highly of you. He clearly thinks of you guys as very educated, very articulate and very intelligent. This is evident in all you guys posts(GR, Bana and yourself). Now my concern is if such high calibre people are blind to the tactics and dirty tricks of Mr Papad what chance do the common public have of seeing the realities. And this in turn translates to what chance do the TCs have in this whole mess.

think you'll find in all my posts that i'm not the biggest papad fan. My comment was about calling someone an ex-eoka man not being an insult. The insult is an ex-eoka-b man.

I appreciate your criticism mentioned above but can't help noticing the entire blameless attitude against people that freely spread hate-mongering between the 2 communities...that FREAKED out when a proposed meeting between tc's and gc's was to be had...a person who insists that WHOEVER is leader on our side (these are his words now) he wants to live in a country where his children will not hear any greek spoken.

Despite allthis such a person has no responsibilities for this attitude because he is covered by what is the now universal umbrella of justification that "Papadopoulos made me what i am today". Mrfromng, papd was only here for 4 years...we've had 30 years of progressive leaders who wanted to solve this bloody thing but kept hitting your wall Denktash. I have not grown up to be like VP and and I am not using Denktash as justification for my lack of vision...Why should someone else?

[Pyrpolizer]

Gday Pyro, whats the average salary in the RoC?

Unless you work for the Government or for the Banks or you have your own bussiness you are doomed here Pitsilos.

Have a look here:

http://cyprus.angloinfo.com/forum/topic ... ic_id=1798

I would say the average is 1000 pounds, and this is made up from those 25% who get 1500-2000 and the 75% who get 500-1000.

The "richness" you see around is coming from selling land mainly to foreigners at skyrocketed prices. After the borders opened the TCs discovered the trick as well.

Cyprus is a hell. Not the paradise everybody thinks it is.

[DT.]

VP, today I am not in the mood to give you any more of my time. I think you have a stance on partition, I accept that , I disagree with you, but I am also not going to enter into a discussion. Not once have I heard Talat say lets acknowledge the past lets talk about what policy we can implement to ensure that it does not happen again. I am not going to get into a discussion with you ont his topic today. Thank for respecting my wish. Andreas

Pyrpolizer, I am sorry and thank you for clarifying that for me.

On your coment to VP ........ I do believe you are right yes they only started a different tact four years ago the only solution they want is partition and recognition. Not once their leader has stated to EU we want help to assist with integration of our economic system with that of the RoC for a forward step towards unification of the Island and its people in all domains of Cypriot life.

Have you the time today to respond with logic to the current state of affairs, its taken your ex eoka leader over 4 years to invite Talat for a meet and I am certain that you are not stupid and undersand exactly why, Talats reaction is only to be expected and even delayed as I stated if it were me I would have told him where he can stick his invite from day 1. We are not to be pushed around by GCs and we have to show that even with isolation being enforced we will not sucumb to GC tricks of playing the public for a few more votes.

What has you leadership done sine the AP rejection to bring the 2 communities closer together, your answering this simple question honestly will reveal why Talat sees no prospect in moving forward with your current leaders as they are smug in the knowledge that we they are in the EU and the dynamics there will force the TC via osmosis to succumb to the "RoC" and be reduced to just another minority living in a GC state..well we will never go down that path and the EU will realize if they havent done so slready that the south does not have the vision of the EU to compromise and resolve...their aim is to impose what they feel is right for themselves and to hell with everyone else. The day will come when that level playing field will develop and be forced on the GC leadership due to their lack of flexiblity and then the GCs will be kicking themselves for not taking a proactive role resolving issues between the 2 communities, the chasm gets wider and the GC excuses increase to a point that again they will make the fatal mistake of over estimating their own importance in the grand scheme of things...which on the world stage is next to nothing.

Excellent post VP. No doubt our GC friends will read this and say "there goes the partitionist with his propaganda again". I wish there was a magic wand I could wave for these guys to start seeing the realities of the Cyprus situation, but there isn't and when they finally do realise it may well be too late.

Well said VP.

Mrfromng do you not consider VPs posts a little hyupocritical when he accusses the gC side of not doing anything to support unification and in the same breath declares that partition is the only option?

DT,

VP is the creation of Papad Cyprus policy, he is not alone, in fact he represent the vast majority of our community.

Now when it comes to you guys I'm really puzzled. Iceman is a very dear friend of mine. He really enjoyed meeting you guys and thinks very highly of you. He clearly thinks of you guys as very educated, very articulate and very intelligent. This is evident in all you guys posts(GR, Bana and yourself). Now my concern is if such high calibre people are blind to the tactics and dirty tricks of Mr Papad what chance do the common public have of seeing the realities. And this in turn translates to what chance do the TCs have in this whole mess.

think you'll find in all my posts that i'm not the biggest papad fan. My comment was about calling someone an ex-eoka man not being an insult. The insult is an ex-eoka-b man.

I appreciate your criticism mentioned above but can't help noticing the entire blameless attitude against people that freely spread hate-mongering between the 2 communities...that FREAKED out when a proposed meeting between tc's and gc's was to be had...a person who insists that WHOEVER is leader on our side (these are his words now) he wants to live in a country where his children will not hear any greek spoken.

Despite allthis such a person has no responsibilities for this attitude because he is covered by what is the now universal umbrella of justification that "Papadopoulos made me what i am today". Mrfromng, papd was only here for 4 years...we've had 30 years of progressive leaders who wanted to solve this bloody thing but kept hitting your wall Denktash. I have not grown up to be like VP and and I am not using Denktash as justification for my lack of vision...Why should someone else?

[Viewpoint]

DT.

I appreciate your criticism mentioned above but can't help noticing the entire blameless attitude against people that freely spread hate-mongering between the 2 communities...that FREAKED out when a proposed meeting between tc's and gc's was to be had...a person who insists that WHOEVER is leader on our side (these are his words now) he wants to live in a country where his children will not hear any greek spoken.

Are you referring to me? would you like to live in a country where Turkish is spoken in daily life at the butchers, in local government buildings, just like you were living in Turkey but in fact you are in a country you call your own.

[Pyrpolizer]

Yes if I was born there. You were not born here so go live in the UK where you were born.

[DT.]

DT.

I appreciate your criticism mentioned above but can't help noticing the entire blameless attitude against people that freely spread hate-mongering between the 2 communities...that FREAKED out when a proposed meeting between tc's and gc's was to be had...a person who insists that WHOEVER is leader on our side (these are his words now) he wants to live in a country where his children will not hear any greek spoken.

Are you referring to me? would you like to live in a country where Turkish is spoken in daily life at the butchers, in local government buildings, just like you were living in Turkey but in fact you are in a country you call your own.

vp, thats fine if not for one small point. Cyprus isn't turkish.

[Viewpoint]

DT.

I appreciate your criticism mentioned above but can't help noticing the entire blameless attitude against people that freely spread hate-mongering between the 2 communities...that FREAKED out when a proposed meeting between tc's and gc's was to be had...a person who insists that WHOEVER is leader on our side (these are his words now) he wants to live in a country where his children will not hear any greek spoken.

Are you referring to me? would you like to live in a country where Turkish is spoken in daily life at the butchers, in local government buildings, just like you were living in Turkey but in fact you are in a country you call your own.

vp, thats fine if not for one small point. Cyprus isn't turkish.

Exactly, nor is it Greek so why should I be forced to live in a society where a visit to the water board would be a nightmare as the people would all be GCs and speak Greek....For example If I wanted to hear Engish around me all the time I would have stayed in the UK. Do you get my point at all? This is why we need 2 states where we can both feel comfortable in all aspects of life.

[DT.]

DT.

I appreciate your criticism mentioned above but can't help noticing the entire blameless attitude against people that freely spread hate-mongering between the 2 communities...that FREAKED out when a proposed meeting between tc's and gc's was to be had...a person who insists that WHOEVER is leader on our side (these are his words now) he wants to live in a country where his children will not hear any greek spoken.

Are you referring to me? would you like to live in a country where Turkish is spoken in daily life at the butchers, in local government buildings, just like you were living in Turkey but in fact you are in a country you call your own.

vp, thats fine if not for one small point. Cyprus isn't turkish.

Exactly, nor is it Greek so why should I be forced to live in a society where a visit to the water board woudl be a nightmare as the people would all be GCs and speak Greek....If ı wanted to hear Engish around me all the time I would have stayed in the UK. Do you get my point at all?

its a cypriot nation VP whatever the solution you will always live with tcs and gcs in cyprus. Due to the numbers unfortunately for you, you will bump into greek a lot more.