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[Get Real!]

Well said humanist, it's clear their efforts are all towards partition. On economic issues they envision separate economies each one heading it's own way, hence all the fuss for direct flight and direct trade. That's not a unified economy and a unified state! Someone has to explain these people what FEDERATION means.

Tell all that to all the fools on our side, who are ignorant to the official TC + Turkish agenda, and see fit to attack our president who could see what is happening from day 1, and has to go to bed every night knowing all too well the deceptive charade against Cyprus that he has to overcome while maintaining his smile for the eyes of the world!

[humanist]

Get real, I don't think that many people don't realise the official TC leadership and Turkish agenda. I think many do. I also think that many people also have given up on both sides. some people genuinely want their homes backa nd want to return and die at their villages. some who may not have had much have given up. those who had property and now have children in their marriage years want to help them otu with a piece of land at least to build a home upon. for some of including myself is to hav the freedom to choose where I want to live and what to do with my grandmothers property, if I want to stay in it it should be my choice if I wan to to sell it is also my choice but I am not going to have no state beauraucrat tell me I will give you ex- amopunt of dollars because I set up this fake property commission and it says your property is worth $8000.

However, I would be happy to say okay reimburse me $120,000 for a Turkish Cypriot from Tochni who wants to live in the house because they are genuinely fearful of their life should they return to Tochni. However I want the rest of the land back so I can build a home on it.

[Pyrpolizer]

Humanist,

The prices of land in the Government control areas have skyrocketed. A building block even at remote villages goes for $40,000 in the outskirts of towns it goes for minimum $300,000. Everybody got rich on the expense of refugees.

[pitsilos]

Gday Pyro, whats the average salary in the RoC?

[DT.]

Well said humanist, it's clear their efforts are all towards partition. On economic issues they envision separate economies each one heading it's own way, hence all the fuss for direct flight and direct trade. That's not a unified economy and a unified state! Someone has to explain these people what FEDERATION means.

Tell all that to all the fools on our side, who are ignorant to the official TC + Turkish agenda, and see fit to attack our president who could see what is happening from day 1, and has to go to bed every night knowing all too well the deceptive charade against Cyprus that he has to overcome while maintaining his smile for the eyes of the world!

you seen papadopoulos smile??

[Viewpoint]

VP, today I am not in the mood to give you any more of my time. I think you have a stance on partition, I accept that , I disagree with you, but I am also not going to enter into a discussion. Not once have I heard Talat say lets acknowledge the past lets talk about what policy we can implement to ensure that it does not happen again. I am not going to get into a discussion with you ont his topic today. Thank for respecting my wish. Andreas

Pyrpolizer, I am sorry and thank you for clarifying that for me.

On your coment to VP ........ I do believe you are right yes they only started a different tact four years ago the only solution they want is partition and recognition. Not once their leader has stated to EU we want help to assist with integration of our economic system with that of the RoC for a forward step towards unification of the Island and its people in all domains of Cypriot life.

Have you the time today to respond with logic to the current state of affairs, its taken your ex eoka leader over 4 years to invite Talat for a meet and I am certain that you are not stupid and undersand exactly why, Talats reaction is only to be expected and even delayed as I stated if it were me I would have told him where he can stick his invite from day 1. We are not to be pushed around by GCs and we have to show that even with isolation being enforced we will not sucumb to GC tricks of playing the public for a few more votes.

What has you leadership done sine the AP rejection to bring the 2 communities closer together, your answering this simple question honestly will reveal why Talat sees no prospect in moving forward with your current leaders as they are smug in the knowledge that we they are in the EU and the dynamics there will force the TC via osmosis to succumb to the "RoC" and be reduced to just another minority living in a GC state..well we will never go down that path and the EU will realize if they havent done so slready that the south does not have the vision of the EU to compromise and resolve...their aim is to impose what they feel is right for themselves and to hell with everyone else. The day will come when that level playing field will develop and be forced on the GC leadership due to their lack of flexiblity and then the GCs will be kicking themselves for not taking a proactive role resolving issues between the 2 communities, the chasm gets wider and the GC excuses increase to a point that again they will make the fatal mistake of over estimating their own importance in the grand scheme of things...which on the world stage is next to nothing.

[DT.]

VP, today I am not in the mood to give you any more of my time. I think you have a stance on partition, I accept that , I disagree with you, but I am also not going to enter into a discussion. Not once have I heard Talat say lets acknowledge the past lets talk about what policy we can implement to ensure that it does not happen again. I am not going to get into a discussion with you ont his topic today. Thank for respecting my wish. Andreas

Pyrpolizer, I am sorry and thank you for clarifying that for me.

On your coment to VP ........ I do believe you are right yes they only started a different tact four years ago the only solution they want is partition and recognition. Not once their leader has stated to EU we want help to assist with integration of our economic system with that of the RoC for a forward step towards unification of the Island and its people in all domains of Cypriot life.

Have you the time today to respond with logic to the current state of affairs, its taken your ex eoka leader over 4 years to invite Talat for a meet and I am certain that you are not stupid and undersand exactly why, Talats reaction is only to be expected and even delayed as I stated if it were me I would have told him where he can stick his invite from day 1. We are not to be pushed around by GCs and we have to show that even with isolation being enforced we will not sucumb to GC tricks of playing the public for a few more votes.

What has you leadership done sine the AP rejection to bring the 2 communities closer together, your answering this simple question honestly will reveal why Talat sees no prospect in moving forward with your current leaders as they are smug in the knowledge that we they are in the EU and the dynamics there will force the TC via osmosis to succumb to the "RoC" and be reduced to just another minority living in a GC state..well we will never go down that path and the EU will realize if they havent done so slready that the south does not have the vision of the EU to compromise and resolve...their aim is to impose what they feel is right for themselves and to hell with everyone else. The day will come when that level playing field will develop and be forced on the GC leadership due to their lack of flexiblity and then the GCs will be kicking themselves for not taking a proactive role resolving issues between the 2 communities, the chasm gets wider and the GC excuses increase to a point that again they will make the fatal mistake of over estimating their own importance in the grand scheme of things...which on the world stage is next to nothing.

1) Stop criticising our lack of movement on re-unification....you want partition remember?
2) When you call Papadopoulos an ex-eoka leader it is not an insult. EOKA fighters are heroes in our eyes who fought against ther english for unification at a time when nothing else was on the cards but continued submission to the english.
3) As far as I recall the 8th July agreement has been agreed by both sides since 2006. Talat has been the one to go back on his word matey and refuse to go ahead with it.

[MR-from-NG]

VP, today I am not in the mood to give you any more of my time. I think you have a stance on partition, I accept that , I disagree with you, but I am also not going to enter into a discussion. Not once have I heard Talat say lets acknowledge the past lets talk about what policy we can implement to ensure that it does not happen again. I am not going to get into a discussion with you ont his topic today. Thank for respecting my wish. Andreas

Pyrpolizer, I am sorry and thank you for clarifying that for me.

On your coment to VP ........ I do believe you are right yes they only started a different tact four years ago the only solution they want is partition and recognition. Not once their leader has stated to EU we want help to assist with integration of our economic system with that of the RoC for a forward step towards unification of the Island and its people in all domains of Cypriot life.

Have you the time today to respond with logic to the current state of affairs, its taken your ex eoka leader over 4 years to invite Talat for a meet and I am certain that you are not stupid and undersand exactly why, Talats reaction is only to be expected and even delayed as I stated if it were me I would have told him where he can stick his invite from day 1. We are not to be pushed around by GCs and we have to show that even with isolation being enforced we will not sucumb to GC tricks of playing the public for a few more votes.

What has you leadership done sine the AP rejection to bring the 2 communities closer together, your answering this simple question honestly will reveal why Talat sees no prospect in moving forward with your current leaders as they are smug in the knowledge that we they are in the EU and the dynamics there will force the TC via osmosis to succumb to the "RoC" and be reduced to just another minority living in a GC state..well we will never go down that path and the EU will realize if they havent done so slready that the south does not have the vision of the EU to compromise and resolve...their aim is to impose what they feel is right for themselves and to hell with everyone else. The day will come when that level playing field will develop and be forced on the GC leadership due to their lack of flexiblity and then the GCs will be kicking themselves for not taking a proactive role resolving issues between the 2 communities, the chasm gets wider and the GC excuses increase to a point that again they will make the fatal mistake of over estimating their own importance in the grand scheme of things...which on the world stage is next to nothing.

Excellent post VP. No doubt our GC friends will read this and say "there goes the partitionist with his propaganda again". I wish there was a magic wand I could wave for these guys to start seeing the realities of the Cyprus situation, but there isn't and when they finally do realise it may well be too late.

Well said VP.

[DT.]

VP, today I am not in the mood to give you any more of my time. I think you have a stance on partition, I accept that , I disagree with you, but I am also not going to enter into a discussion. Not once have I heard Talat say lets acknowledge the past lets talk about what policy we can implement to ensure that it does not happen again. I am not going to get into a discussion with you ont his topic today. Thank for respecting my wish. Andreas

Pyrpolizer, I am sorry and thank you for clarifying that for me.

On your coment to VP ........ I do believe you are right yes they only started a different tact four years ago the only solution they want is partition and recognition. Not once their leader has stated to EU we want help to assist with integration of our economic system with that of the RoC for a forward step towards unification of the Island and its people in all domains of Cypriot life.

Have you the time today to respond with logic to the current state of affairs, its taken your ex eoka leader over 4 years to invite Talat for a meet and I am certain that you are not stupid and undersand exactly why, Talats reaction is only to be expected and even delayed as I stated if it were me I would have told him where he can stick his invite from day 1. We are not to be pushed around by GCs and we have to show that even with isolation being enforced we will not sucumb to GC tricks of playing the public for a few more votes.

What has you leadership done sine the AP rejection to bring the 2 communities closer together, your answering this simple question honestly will reveal why Talat sees no prospect in moving forward with your current leaders as they are smug in the knowledge that we they are in the EU and the dynamics there will force the TC via osmosis to succumb to the "RoC" and be reduced to just another minority living in a GC state..well we will never go down that path and the EU will realize if they havent done so slready that the south does not have the vision of the EU to compromise and resolve...their aim is to impose what they feel is right for themselves and to hell with everyone else. The day will come when that level playing field will develop and be forced on the GC leadership due to their lack of flexiblity and then the GCs will be kicking themselves for not taking a proactive role resolving issues between the 2 communities, the chasm gets wider and the GC excuses increase to a point that again they will make the fatal mistake of over estimating their own importance in the grand scheme of things...which on the world stage is next to nothing.

Excellent post VP. No doubt our GC friends will read this and say "there goes the partitionist with his propaganda again". I wish there was a magic wand I could wave for these guys to start seeing the realities of the Cyprus situation, but there isn't and when they finally do realise it may well be too late.

Well said VP.

Mrfromng do you not consider VPs posts a little hyupocritical when he accusses the gC side of not doing anything to support unification and in the same breath declares that partition is the only option?

[Viewpoint]

DT.

1) Stop criticising our lack of movement on re-unification....you want partition remember?

Surely you do not expect the people you have dubbed "partionsits" to push the unification process forward, its your lack of effort towards compromising or resolving issues that you should be ashamed of, its obvious you neither have the vision or desire to move forward.

2) When you call Papadopoulos an ex-eoka leader it is not an insult. EOKA fighters are heroes in our eyes who fought against ther english for unification at a time when nothing else was on the cards but continued submission to the english.

Anything to do with Eoka A B C X is a bad memory in the mind of TCs and the fact this person contirbuted to these terrorist organisations will not make him popular in the north, there is also the fact that he is labelled a Turk hater and staunch support of Hellenic dominance on the island...he is to us what Denktas senior is to you.

3) As far as I recall the 8th July agreement has been agreed by both sides since 2006. Talat has been the one to go back on his word matey and refuse to go ahead with it.

Who told you this? any independent links? you really need to question your own side and the obstacles they keep putting in front of any progress being made. I would be the first to crticise Talat for his stance but he is in a far more difficult position lodged between Turkey and the south and you people are not making his job any easier in fact you are manipulating this fact to score points.