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[DT.]

suprising that she would say that ... ty for the translation

its what we say halali

[Pyrpolizer]

"halali sou" in greek. The opposite of "nan harrami sou"

Sorry not greek actually but what GR defines as cyprus village talk

[Get Real!]

Here we go again... We ask a question AS TO WHEN EXACTLY AFTER 1974 THE TCs FELT THERE WAS A CYPRUS PROBLEM THAT AFFECTED THEM NEGATIVELY IN A WAY IT MADE THEM WANT A SOLUTION, we get replies for the 1963 and 1967 period.

TC I was expecting a better reply-at least from you.

Alright man chill the f**k out!!!!!

Shit happens when you soak up all the sun from all those military exercises! Your friends in London won't recognise you...

[humanist]

Why can we not accept that both communites suffered by past events and that both communities perpetrated violence on each other in the past. The RoC needs to recognise that not a refugees will return to their homes and the reasons for that are based on the fact that great attrocities such as Tochni took place and those Turkish speaking Cypriots from Tochni with ever right may not wish to go back and face their Greek speaking co-villagers. To that end those people need to be accommodated somewhere, where else but refugee land (unless of-course the government confiscates land from the Church. Which will probably solve a great deal of problems). Yes there was looting on both sides, yes there was killings on both sides, yes there was loss on both sides. Lets acknowledge this, we cannot change it but we can learn form it to build a united country where we live in peace and harmony and respect for each other.

[humanist]

Well T_C thank you for that ..... it sounds like your aunt and my grandmother have a great deal in common, that is how my grandmother left her village. So may be the expreineces are not that different. So what do we do? Where do we go from here?

Pyr I think you came a bit harsh on T_C about his post I think we need to talk about these experiences. Hopefully allow for personal healing to occur and move forward. What strikes me though is that we think the other side suffered less or perpetrated the violence on the so called opposing side.

I personally know of a family who were hiding under the stable floor, when the Turkish military went through their village, 6 kids and their mother ranging from 8 years to 16 years and they had to escape by following the Turkish troops till they found a way out near Paralimni. They now live in Adelaide Australia.

[Viewpoint]

Why can we not accept that both communites suffered by past events and that both communities perpetrated violence on each other in the past. The RoC needs to recognise that not a refugees will return to their homes and the reasons for that are based on the fact that great attrocities such as Tochni took place and those Turkish speaking Cypriots from Tochni with ever right may not wish to go back and face their Greek speaking co-villagers. To that end those people need to be accommodated somewhere, where else but refugee land (unless of-course the government confiscates land from the Church. Which will probably solve a great deal of problems). Yes there was looting on both sides, yes there was killings on both sides, yes there was loss on both sides. Lets acknowledge this, we cannot change it but we can learn form it to build a united country where we live in peace and harmony and respect for each other.

Isnt that what we have been saying all along? and hasnt the structure to create such an outcome been deluding us for 44 years?

[Pyrpolizer]

Humanist I think you misunderstood me.
What T_C posted was a copy paste of a recent post he himself made in another topic and which has been discussed already. For your information when he originally posted it, I did spend a lot of time reading it making sure I understood it completely.I personally didn't want to counter his post then, there was no reason anyway, it was valuable and true information and I actually felt thankful for his sharing it with us.

[Pyrpolizer]

Why can we not accept that both communites suffered by past events and that both communities perpetrated violence on each other in the past. The RoC needs to recognise that not a refugees will return to their homes and the reasons for that are based on the fact that great attrocities such as Tochni took place and those Turkish speaking Cypriots from Tochni with ever right may not wish to go back and face their Greek speaking co-villagers. To that end those people need to be accommodated somewhere, where else but refugee land (unless of-course the government confiscates land from the Church. Which will probably solve a great deal of problems). Yes there was looting on both sides, yes there was killings on both sides, yes there was loss on both sides. Lets acknowledge this, we cannot change it but we can learn form it to build a united country where we live in peace and harmony and respect for each other.

Isnt that what we have been saying all along? and hasnt the structure to create such an outcome been deluding us for 44 years?

What 44 years???
you never answered the question of this topic anyway.
Just admit it you only started caring for a solution ONLY 4 YEARS AGO.

[humanist]

VP, today I am not in the mood to give you any more of my time. I think you have a stance on partition, I accept that , I disagree with you, but I am also not going to enter into a discussion. Not once have I heard Talat say lets acknowledge the past lets talk about what policy we can implement to ensure that it does not happen again. I am not going to get into a discussion with you ont his topic today. Thank for respecting my wish. Andreas

Pyrpolizer, I am sorry and thank you for clarifying that for me.

On your coment to VP ........ I do believe you are right yes they only started a different tact four years ago the only solution they want is partition and recognition. Not once their leader has stated to EU we want help to assist with integration of our economic system with that of the RoC for a forward step towards unification of the Island and its people in all domains of Cypriot life.

[Pyrpolizer]

Well said humanist, it's clear their efforts are all towards partition. On economic issues they envision separate economies each one heading it's own way, hence all the fuss for direct flight and direct trade. That's not a unified economy and a unified state! Someone has to explain these people what FEDERATION means.