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[humanist]

Pyrpolizer, No one has to put them on any wait for unification because they are excactly where they want to be.

[DT.]

ok so to get this straight...

No TC/Turk took any possessions out of any GC home
No Tc/Turk took any home that belonged to a gc
The GC refugees took all their furniture with them on their backs
Some even managed to ransack the TC homes before they left while being chased by 40,000 mehmetcik throwing flowers at them and asking them to come back.
There was never an invasion
no one was killed no one was raped
There is no occupation
We can all go back to our homes whenever we want


You boys hire Alistair Campbell while i wasn't looking?

[zan]

ok so to get this straight...

No TC/Turk took any possessions out of any GC home
No Tc/Turk took any home that belonged to a gc
The GC refugees took all their furniture with them on their backs
Some even managed to ransack the TC homes before they left while being chased by 40,000 mehmetcik throwing flowers at them and asking them to come back.
There was never an invasion
no one was killed no one was raped
There is no occupation
We can all go back to our homes whenever we want


You boys hire Alistair Campbell while i wasn't looking?

Have another look at what we said DT. I really had more faith that you would read what we wrote rather than what backing up a false statement by Pyro.



Here is a couple of poems that I wrote for your delectation.


Before we left.

by zan

At best I can remember bullets

Fireflies travelling at the speed of light in the night

At best I can remember babutsa

Invisible needles that burn in your hands for days




At best I can remember waking up

Seeing a Greek doctor and my mother by my bed

I cannot remember the ice cream they gave me to soothe my tonsilless throat




At best I can remember gunfire

Single shot for Turkish

Machine gun for Greek



At best I long for the smell of dusty donkeys and fig trees

At best I can remember the smell of the hamam

I can remember the well-ordered and expensive possessions of our English neighbour that was never there

I long to sleep under the trees on an old iron bed in the middle of summer



I long for the Cyprus that was but never to be





As they retreated.

By Zan


They lit the olive trees

Whole orchards burned

Two-three hundred-year-old woods
Fizzing and popping
In the night
Moaning and groaning
About being alight
The beauty of the flames
Hiding the tragedy


I put the rifle
To my ear
I can hear the sea
The waves crashing
In my mind
Too far away
To put out the pyre

A devils island
The orchard burns
An oasis of death
Yet life abundant
As embers fly
Like evil nymphs.


The houses smoulder
But with less innocence

More deserving
They fall to their knees

They! die quickly.

[RAFAELLA]

Let me first say that during the years following the 1974 invasion the GCs and especially the refugees were living in constant anxiety and despair counting the days waiting from one day to another that an agreement would be reached so they could return home and go on with their lives as before
A reflection of this despair and constant counting of even the minutes was reflected even in the media. RIK had 1-2 news bullettins before 1974.After 1974 it started having news every one hour!

Today looking at the Tcs and how anxious they seem to be to have a solution, reminds me of the GC anxiousness during the first 15-20 years after 1974.

The question is:When have the TCs started wanting a solution? Don’t tell me there was even one TC who for at least 10 years after 1974 even cared watching the news to learn if Denktash had agreed anything with the GCs! It was more than obvious, that for the TCs all their problems have been solved, they became rich from the Gc properties from one day to another, and all they were thinking was "if something came out with the talks Denktash is having with the Greeks like signing us a paper giving us everything we already grabbed, fine. If not who cares?"

What makes me laugh is seen TCs in here (Murataga been the greatest example) saying "you have stolen our rights" you are recopgnised as the official legal state and we are not, you got into the EU and we are out, we are isolated from the whole orld, you impose embargoes (what??? !!!) on us, and some other typical nonsense e/g from VP saying "why can’t I have the same rights as you" and all that stuff.

So the question once again is:
When exactly have the TCs realised there WAS PROBLEM in Cyprus?
And when exactly have they realised that what they and their mama Turka did to 180,000 GC people, by outsting them and turning them into refugees in their own country, grabbing their lands/homes and properties would backfire by itself.

Do you really believe your isolation and everything, were really pre-planned by the GCs or was it something that came by itself as a reslt of the Invasion and all those illegalities that followed the creation of the so called "trnc"? Me as a GC I can surely tell you we wewre surprised to hear you threw away the RoC stamps with which you were doing exports and that your exports were not affected one iota for as long as the early 90s (24 years after 1974!)

Come on guys enlighten us, when exactly have you started wanting a solution just when your own TRashNcan declared bankraptcy whereas as the same time the GCs were one step away from the EU? In other words just 4 years ago?

Were those 4 years enough for you to realize the anxiety and pain of the GCs who were expecting a "solution" for 30+ years??? How would you feel if Papadopoulos puts you on hold for 30 years starting from today, and when those years are over they just present you a plan where they ask you to sign your losing everything?

Perfect & accurate comment Pyrpolizer!
From what I saw, Tcs started wanting a solution when they smelled the EU air. Why they didn't get in the streets all these 32 years demanding a solution?
But although they have no obligations to RoC they are given all the priveledges from RoC, since they are considered RoC citizens, and they do have they nerve to backstab RoC with every given chance.
Now they learned their song very well :"We voted Yes and you voted No".

[zan]

OH Great! The top racist is back

[74LB]

ok so to get this straight...

No TC/Turk took any possessions out of any GC home
No Tc/Turk took any home that belonged to a gc
The GC refugees took all their furniture with them on their backs
Some even managed to ransack the TC homes before they left while being chased by 40,000 mehmetcik throwing flowers at them and asking them to come back.
There was never an invasion
no one was killed no one was raped
There is no occupation
We can all go back to our homes whenever we want


You boys hire Alistair Campbell while i wasn't looking?

You and others asked for someone who lived through those first few months/years and I gave you my truthful account. I'm sure everyone has their own experiences to shae if they wish to, but you are incorrect when you say "everyone started getting free homes and other people's possessions handed out".

[Pyrpolizer]

The general Tc tactic of telling lies and or saying "shhhhh…. don’t say anything this might hurt our cause" is unbeleivable.

So far only 3 Tcs replied one said he agrees, Zan told us some mix up stories of 1963 & 1974 and Londonboy told us for the period of August 1974 and how they were living in the Famagusta enclave, and then lightly touched the issue.

Were these my questions though????

Zan says they put bar poles on GC houses so nobody could get them. Well I heard otherwise. I heard they put barpoles on the really huge expensive villas as they were destined for "presents" to some high status TCs/TURKS/&TURKISH GENERALS. And that was not after 1974 not even after 1976. It was when almost EVERYBODY got stolen GC properties but there were still many left around. I would say late 70s early 80s.

Zan told us his family got nothing yet this is the LATEST story I heard from a TC living in Kyrenia. He told me straight " I abanoned my old house and got a new GC much bigger and newer. I sent my sons to live in another brand new house in the area and my wife and daughters in another. 2 years later in 1976 i.e they started issuing titles. Whatever each one grabbed became HIS, no questions asked."

As for the looting, yes that was also true. After 1974 the occupied areas became the biggest exporter of Furniture, TVs, refrigerators, whatever you can imagine. The ships were lined up to load in Famagusta and carry the loot to Turkey. This looting however was mainly from hotels and houses that have not yet been grabbed.

We hear a lot of the TC suppression before 1974 yet no TC in here is brave enough to admit the truth. A typical example is this:

And to tell you the truth, in the years that followed not many mentioned reunification because in our view, the TC’s were for once, free.
Free to roam the countryside, free to roam the mountains, free to go to the seaside, free in the knowledge that they would all return home safe and sound. This was definitely not the case prior to July 1974.

The TCs became free (!!!!!????) after they themselves being an 18% minority created the enclaves -sort of ghettos/or states within a state, and uprose against the state and the 82% majority THEMSELVES. What would you expect, have you seen anywhere in the world a ghetto uprising against the state and getting on well with the situation? What would you expect when no GC was ever allowed to even step foot in your ghettos and in case he might have lost his way by accident he would not come out of your enclaves alive? So you became free (!!!???) you say… this makes me laugh.

Despite of that you slightly touched the issue by saying "not many TCs thought of reunification". Would you mind answering the original question when exactly the TCs started realising there was a Cyprus problem that needs to be solved? Was it just 4 years ago?

[74LB]

after they themselves being an 18% minority created the enclaves -sort of ghettos/or states within a state, and uprose against the state and the 82% majority THEMSELVES.

This has been covered many times before in this forum - but I guess reading the above would indicate that we started it all.

What would you expect when no GC was ever allowed to even step foot in your ghettos

This was for our own protection, not the other way around (and why would you want to step foot inside our 'ghettos' as you put it ?).

Would you mind answering the original question when exactly the TCs started realising there was a Cyprus problem that needs to be solved?

I would say the problem started in the 60's

[Pyrpolizer]

So to continue…

Zan even tried to tell us the grabing of GC lands and properties was somehow a controlled situation and everything was arranged by their authorities or the Turkish army….

How controlled that was can be seen by how the thousands of settlers coming from Turkey by ship were grabbing GC properties. Empty house somewhere? It would be a miracle to stay empty for more than 1 year. Some settlers would settle in and make it theirs. Even TCs who were living abroad found settlers living in their own houses after they returned, refusing to move claiming it’s THEIRS.

Why nobody mentions what the TCs were doing to avoid having settlers becoming their next door neighbours? Why no TC in here tells the truth that they were demolishing empty GC houses to avoid having settlers getting in and becoming their neighbours?

[Pyrpolizer]

This has been covered many times before in this forum - but I guess reading the above would indicate that we started it all.

Of course you did not started it all my friend. I m perhaps of one of the few GCs who acknowledges that the GC fanatics bear more responsibility than your fanatics.

This was for our own protection, not the other way around (and why would you want to step foot inside our 'ghettos' as you put it ?).

Please, please…. This is propaganda-or at least one side of the story.Tell me what threat a drunk GC constituted to you when he lost his way and entered your enclaves my mistake. Do you know how many GCs were slaughtered after they lost their way and entered your enclaves? Do you know how many GCs vanished after they tried to cross a purely TC inhabited village??
The truth is the TCs were afraid to travel in GC areas, however the other truth is that a GC was not only afraid to enter an nclave he was SURE he would not come out of it alive.

I would say the problem started in the 60's

OK. The original question however was
a)Was the problem over in 1974 +30 years later for the TCs?
b)When exactly after 1974 the TCs realised they are having a problem regardless their grabbing of 37% of Cyprus.