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VP said

Your acknowledgement is refreshing and gives me hope that we can find a system by which we can create a win win situation, but unfortunately people like you are very rare and the majority have their say which is not always right.

VP your welcome, I am trying really hard as I said to make sense of the whole situation.

These policies are vital for providing and encouraging trust, understanding and cooperation...if nothing is done like the past 4+ years then the TCs will be more and more dependent on Turkey and therefore have no effective say in what you will face in future negotiations, Papadop has to take the bull by the horns and show the political maturity to provide TCs economic independence from Turkey, this can be done through increased border trade, direct flights and financial aid. Security measures and laws against racists attacks and discrimnation. If this chain is not broken then you will not have any influence or say in the North thus having irreversable effects which you will regret in the future.

Like I suggested earlier the RoC can and should do more to ensure its policies are inclussive of all Cypriots. Making racism and discrimination carry heavy consequences.

Going back to something that didnt work back then is not correct imo as what will ensure that it will go right this time, have we gone thorugh all these problems just to go back intime. We have the opportunity to create something new that will incorporate safeguards to ensure we do not repeat the mistakes of the past just like Kikapu and Kifeas suggested.

I personally enjoyed hearing the two or three options put forward last week by a couple of people, a US model and a German model or perhaps a comibination of both. However I still believe that going back to 1960's constitution will be the beginning of sharing the power and with the understanding that it is a temporary model which lead to something newer.


VP said

I am very sorry to hear about your loss this is something which we all need to feel ashamed of and these deaths should not be manipulated or used for political gain. Where was your uncle found? Did the TCs kill him? I am 45 years born and educated in UK, I took a big step in my life when I decided to move permanently to the TRNC back in 1992 which I have not regretted for 1 minute. I feel like it is home and this environment has allowed me to raise my children in a setting where they will never be called a bloody foreigner or discriminated against for being different or being of a different ethnic origin.

Thank you for your acknowledgement. It means a lot to me personally. Instead of being ashamed may be we could use the loses of our loved ones, to re-unite our Island and not allow their deaths to go in vein. to be honest I don't know where my uncles remains were found, its all been a big haze for my family, my mothers gets upset if we talk about it so we don't and I don't know the north of Cyprus well to tell you.


Thank you very much gain for being patient with me as I am trying hard to understand and make sense of all ot it.

My pleasure..sometimes I feel I am the most misunderstood person on this forum.

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DT.

all i can say vp is that a lot more people think like humanist than you think. Sometimes however, and i hope you take this criticism the way it is intended which is in good faith, you bring out the side of people that may not be their true feelings.

I need to stop posting to you with the prejudice and defensiveness that i have done so since i joined this forum.

thats all

I agree I think we all over step the mark but when the love of this island is concerned and our security is concerned we dont want to compromise.

[humanist]

VP said

My pleasure..sometimes I feel I am the most misunderstood person on this forumMy pleasure..sometimes I feel I am the most misunderstood person on this forum.

mate we all feel that ........ that is the problem of the net, they are just words on a screen, we miss the body language which says a lot in itself.

we're all a bunch of hot headed cypriots who go off at the very smallest comment. if only we remember that the other person is a human being also we will get each other and understand and appreciate where we are all coming from.

I know my lesson in this lifetime is patience, i still want a solution yesterday : ) see what I mean.

[bigOz]

TCs did not become rich overnight after 1974! Just like every member of my huge family in the villages and towns in the South, many were already wealthy because of the land they cultivated in the South. Those who want to learn more should find out about the status of many TCs living in Paphos, Limassol, Alektora, Kukla, Evdim, Paramal, (lower)Polemitya just to name a few (where my family members had property).

Some of these people actually lost because:

- Due to preferential treatment, some corrupt ministry officials allocated the Greek land to many who never left anything in the South, where as just as many who did leave a lot of property ended up with very little!

- Those villagers who worked their vineyards found themselves having to cultivate orange groves in Morphou! Something they did not have the foggiest about. This resulted in a lot of the orange groves drying up and dying before everything was fine-tuned. Some actually uprooted the orange groves and planted vineyards instead!

- Not being able to work the land as they used to in the South, many young became public servants with very low wages and depended on their family support for accommodation.

GR is totally wrong in imagining there was a great joy for new found wealth in the North - in doing so he is denying the fact that most TCs did own land and businesses where they did well before 1974!

Yes there was great joy, but not for plundered property but for the much missed freedom that never really existed between 1963-1974, and freedom from being treated as second class citizens! That is exactly what they are reluctantly putting on the table when they are negotiating a settlement for the Cyprus problem. The fear of returning to pre-1974 oppression still dominates most, hence the mistrust and the need for assurance from the GCs. I find GRs comments and questions not vety assuring.

FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, I AM ASKING AGAIN: WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO A HUMAN BEING? SAFE SECURE LIVINING ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY CAN SEE THEIR OFF-SPRING GROW HAPPILY OR A CONSTANT THREAT OF VIOLENCE WITH PLENTY OF MONEY AND WEALTH?

TCs are talking safety, security and trust, while some GCs are still Hell bent on talking about property and land that exchanged hands (albeit in favour of TCs), as well as questioning the feelings of TCs when they ended up on a separate state in North! Yeah, well lets all have a party and chat shit - we'll definitely bring the borders down in doing so!

[iceman]

VP said

My pleasure..sometimes I feel I am the most misunderstood person on this forumMy pleasure..sometimes I feel I am the most misunderstood person on this forum.

mate we all feel that ........ that is the problem of the net, they are just words on a screen, we miss the body language which says a lot in itself.

Thats exactly the reason we (GC & TC forum members) have decided to socialise on arranged occasions....
souvla & drinks is just an excuse

[74LB]

bigOz wrote

TCs are talking safety, security and trust...........

You hit the nail right on the head there bigOz, this is a view held by the vast majority of TC's. both in Cyprus and abroad.

[Kikapu]

- Due to preferential treatment, some corrupt ministry officials allocated the Greek land to many who never left anything in the South, where as just as many who did leave a lot of property ended up with very little!

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Is it to your understanding BigOz, as it was reported by a TC forum member "skipper", that Denktas senior was one of those who had gotten GC land far more land than he may ever have had in the South, by 30,000 Donüms. If true as reported and when leaders were getting more than their share, it is easy to understand why some never got anything, despite having land in the south, such as Turkish Cypriot's Auntie, who is having a hard time paying the rent, without very much assistance from the TC authorities and she is very bitter. There may be thousands of TC's in similar situation. The mistakes made I believe, was to give away any GC land to anyone in the first place, except only temporarily until solution was found and only enough to live and cultivate for food. To make matters worse, not only GC land was given away at 1 for 1 ratio to some and a lot more to others to what the TC's had in the South, in a so called "exchanged land" but were even issued titles under a different names from the original owners. So the question is being begged to be asked, and that is, "how can a settlement was in the minds of those who were orchastrating such manipulations of GC lands and expected an easy solution to be reached in 10, 20, 30 years later".?

I believe this is the question Pyro is asking, in my opinion.

[humanist]

g'day kikaps ..... am letting you take that on board am stayin out of it. Good luck.


iceman enjoy the souvla mate .......... yum ........... what am I talikn about am vegetarian lol personally I prefer a good zivania and a zeimbekiko.

[DT.]

DT said

all i can say vp is that a lot more people think like humanist than you think. Sometimes however, and i hope you take this criticism the way it is intended which is in good faith, you bring out the side of people that may not be their true feelings.

hello DT how is that little girl of yours going? Hope she doing well.

perhaps the word feedback might be better than critiscism.

cheers

Hey humanist, she's doing great thanks mate..

Nah, I meant criticism.

[humanist]

you never let up do ya? hey enjoy the baby, they are precious moments