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[DT.]

humanist

Secondly, in relation to your fears I hear when you say that you do not wish to be dominated by a so called GC society. I guess what I am saying is that due to the number of TC's in Cyprus vs the number of GC's that is inevitable. I do not claim to have the answer to this, however what I am suggesting is that you have just as much right as any other Cypriot to similar rights and representation to share in all spheres of Cypriot life. Now for me this means that government policies and legislation ought to reflect this and ofcourse put it into practice.

Your acknowledgement is refreshing and gives me hope that we can find a system by which we can create a win win situation, but unfortunately people like you are very rare and the majority have their say which is not always right.

am not sure what you mean about Papadopoulos helping the TC's at this stage, north and south in lack of a better word are enemies, how is it possible that he will help the TC's? I am trying to understand this really. The fact that Talat is not talking of unification but moves towards partition is not going to make Papadopoulos give an inch. Do you really think that the international communitydoes not have an impact on Papadopoulos political steps. I do not. The recent events to call a meeting is a perfect example of the pressure from EU to do so. And I say that is good otherwse we never see a progress. I guess from you I would like to hear what policies your are referring too.

These policies are vital for providing and encouraging trust, understanding and cooperation...if nothing is done like the past 4+ years then the TCs will be more and more dependent on Turkey and therefore have no effective say in what you will face in future negotiations, Papadop has to take the bull by the horns and show the political maturity to provide TCs economic independence from Turkey, this can be done through increased border trade, direct flights and financial aid. Security measures and laws against racists attacks and discrimnation. If this chain is not broken then you will not have any influence or say in the North thus having irreversable effects which you will regret in the future.

In terms of sharing power I think that if the TC leadership agreed to returning to 1960's constitution there will be an agreement on that. I do believe that gave more parliamentary representation than the 18% of the population. Personally I would like to see an agreement on that with further changes to safeguard TC's. Kikapu I believe posted a reasonable BBF model on this very forum that I think will solve a lot of time and problems.

Going back to something that didnt work back then is not correct imo as what will ensure that it will go right this time, have we gone thorugh all these problems just to go back intime. We have the opportunity to create something new that will incorporate safeguards to ensure we do not repeat the mistakes of the past just like Kikapu and Kifeas suggested.

I am not sure how old you are VP, but I a 39 years, I was 6 years in 1974, my uncle was one of the missing he was just over 17 years when he went missing in 1974 and his remains were identified through DNA three or four years ago. My grandmother died without knowing whatever happened to him and my mother (his sister) lives with the pain that her mother never knew what happened to her son when she died. My parents immigrated to Australia because they did not wish us to go to the army.

I am very sorry to hear about your loss this is something which we all need to feel ashamed of and these deaths should not be manipulated or used for political gain. Where was your uncle found? Did the TCs kill him? I am 45 years born and educated in UK, I took a big step in my life when I decided to move permanently to the TRNC back in 1992 which I have not regretted for 1 minute. I feel like it is home and this environment has allowed me to raise my children in a setting where they will never be called a bloody foreigner or discriminated against for being different or being of a different ethnic origin.

My belief is that we are all human beings, if we so choose by changing our attitudes can live together in harmony and peace. My home is Cyprus and I would very much like to return. Fundamentally and perhaps because of my uncle I refuse to return and go to the army. I despise the whole notion of being taught to take another life. I would like to see a united Cyprus. I believe that if you are a good politician I will vote for you for Presidency regardless who you are, what colour you are what language you speak what religion you believe in.

People are people where ever you go there are bad and good ones, this is not the problem the problem is when you ask some one to rule your life or make decisions on your behalf, I do not want GCs to solely take decisions on my behalf as I do not currently trust or believe they have my best interests as heart but I do know that I have to share with GCs so they also have to accept that I have a say in my own future and that they will not be able to force me to do anything against my will or discriminate against me or my community.

all i can say vp is that a lot more people think like humanist than you think. Sometimes however, and i hope you take this criticism the way it is intended which is in good faith, you bring out the side of people that may not be their true feelings.

I need to stop posting to you with the prejudice and defensiveness that i have done so since i joined this forum.

thats all

[humanist]

Good morning paliometoxo,

thank you for your support. to be honest it annoys the hell out of me and I cannot see how it helps the situation, perhaps that is something the north needs to consider how appropriate it is to ask for electricity assitsance if they are going to use it in that manner,

however, I believe in living my life by example so by this I mean, will do what I do not like being done onto me. in this case if I were the RoC representative I would take the first step to take down the flags and change the anthem. It is time for Cyprus to build a new unique identity regardless of the outcome with the turkish speaking cypriot community. so lets chnage it anyway. we have armeninan, cypriot, latin, maronite, jewish and english why should they be subjected to the anthem as is. other than the political and military support we receive from Greece there is nothing else that we share, so lets start fresh. if the turkish cypriot side wishes to respond positively because they genuinely want unification then they can take that step to get the flag down from the mountain.

There are other simple steps that the turkish speaking cypriot side can take to show that they want a true unification, however we do not know the cisrcumastance that lie on that side with turksih army. we don't know how much freedom Talats administration has, so it hard to say. but mving the army back to open Ledra and to open other check points, this will aloow more turkish speaking cypriots to access the south and hence access jobs etc, if a check point opens near paphos more turkish speaking cypriots will be able to access their villages and hopefully wish to move back, if the turkish speaking cypriot side gave back varosha that would show a way to unification, if the turkish speaking cypriot department of commerce unified with the RoC depertment of commerce that would enable trade to go onand turkish speaking cypriots will benefit from trade and hence the whole Island will benefit.

I have learnt over the last 33 years that we have been at each others throat and no one has really benefited. So it is time to start making individual changes and trying as human beings to understand the other side. mind you personally I hate that term the other side because I do belive that all human beig are the one in the same. but ths is a topic for a phylosophical thread.

[humanist]

VP said

Your acknowledgement is refreshing and gives me hope that we can find a system by which we can create a win win situation, but unfortunately people like you are very rare and the majority have their say which is not always right.

VP your welcome, I am trying really hard as I said to make sense of the whole situation.

These policies are vital for providing and encouraging trust, understanding and cooperation...if nothing is done like the past 4+ years then the TCs will be more and more dependent on Turkey and therefore have no effective say in what you will face in future negotiations, Papadop has to take the bull by the horns and show the political maturity to provide TCs economic independence from Turkey, this can be done through increased border trade, direct flights and financial aid. Security measures and laws against racists attacks and discrimnation. If this chain is not broken then you will not have any influence or say in the North thus having irreversable effects which you will regret in the future.

Like I suggested earlier the RoC can and should do more to ensure its policies are inclussive of all Cypriots. Making racism and discrimination carry heavy consequences.

Going back to something that didnt work back then is not correct imo as what will ensure that it will go right this time, have we gone thorugh all these problems just to go back intime. We have the opportunity to create something new that will incorporate safeguards to ensure we do not repeat the mistakes of the past just like Kikapu and Kifeas suggested.

I personally enjoyed hearing the two or three options put forward last week by a couple of people, a US model and a German model or perhaps a comibination of both. However I still believe that going back to 1960's constitution will be the beginning of sharing the power and with the understanding that it is a temporary model which lead to something newer.


VP said

I am very sorry to hear about your loss this is something which we all need to feel ashamed of and these deaths should not be manipulated or used for political gain. Where was your uncle found? Did the TCs kill him? I am 45 years born and educated in UK, I took a big step in my life when I decided to move permanently to the TRNC back in 1992 which I have not regretted for 1 minute. I feel like it is home and this environment has allowed me to raise my children in a setting where they will never be called a bloody foreigner or discriminated against for being different or being of a different ethnic origin.

Thank you for your acknowledgement. It means a lot to me personally. Instead of being ashamed may be we could use the loses of our loved ones, to re-unite our Island and not allow their deaths to go in vein. to be honest I don't know where my uncles remains were found, its all been a big haze for my family, my mothers gets upset if we talk about it so we don't and I don't know the north of Cyprus well to tell you.


Thank you very much gain for being patient with me as I am trying hard to understand and make sense of all ot it.

[paliometoxo]

i never even realised they had the turk flags lit up until 7 months ago lol but every day i pass them when i go down nicosia i wish i could go take them down :/ but your so right on the anthem and the flags going own have one united flag and a new anthem and all equal say in cpyprus regardless of how big pupulation each side has

[paliometoxo]

i mean i saw them there before years ago i just never knew they lit up at night :S waist of money

[iceman]

i mean i saw them there before years ago i just never knew they lit up at night :S waist of money

Don't worry...Although i live in the north even i didn't see the lights till about a month ago...I agree it is a waste of money and totally unnecessary..

[paliometoxo]

how is it in keryneia? i always wanted to go exploring int he north and look around... my mum as a younger child when cyprus was not split in two used to go alot to the beaches there so i am told with the bus

[iceman]

how is it in keryneia? i always wanted to go exploring int he north and look around... my mum as a younger child when cyprus was not split in two used to go alot to the beaches there so i am told with the bus

Kyrenia is Ok...could say nice but like anywhere else on the island it is being spoilt with over development..when i think back,33 years ago coming down the mountain you could only see the blue sea and the green vegetation and pick out the buildings scattered amongst the green...nowadays you have to look hard to see any green amongst the concrete jungle...Still,it is one of the nices town in Cyprus worth a visit..

[paliometoxo]

thnx for the info

[humanist]

DT said

all i can say vp is that a lot more people think like humanist than you think. Sometimes however, and i hope you take this criticism the way it is intended which is in good faith, you bring out the side of people that may not be their true feelings.

hello DT how is that little girl of yours going? Hope she doing well.

perhaps the word feedback might be better than critiscism.

cheers