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[humanist]

DA you found it!!! I read this article more than six months ago and was confused recently when I read the Cyprus still has mines. I was sure I was not loosing a marble or three:)

[denizaksulu]

Humanist; This article is from todays Cyp Mail. But I do remember claims that land mines were finally destroyed months ago. May be this was a ceremony for the benefit of Get Real. Anyway, its another positive stride forward. How long do we wait for total de-militarisation? I hope its not too long. Since T and Tpap are going to meet, hurrah!! What will it be One referee, three side judges a red corner and a blue corner. Any bets?
Regards
DA

[Get Real!]

Get Real: I just read this in the Cyprus Mail. I am glad you are getting ris of your "small arsenal"

Not really sure who laid those, I suppose both sides did. All those poor little mines lying there and to think Makarios never got the chance to bless them all...

[Get Real!]

I wonder what you will think when you are the isolated isolationists and we are trading with most of the rest of the world.

It must be one of those isolated dreams you have Zannus...

[humanist]

I hope pink corner DA

[Viewpoint]

Like I said VP keep the land we'll keep the isolation sounds reasonable to me. Actually just in case you have not noticed the International Community are the ones who are keeping the economic embargo. Even your staunchest supporter Pakistan and Britain have kept the economic embargo for 33 years and have clearly stated that they are unable to do anything about direct flights either.

Now I do stand by my statement that I feel as long as you keep the land I support the econmoic embargo and I feel that justifies the illegal occupation of my grandmothers property. As I stated in other posts it is not about the property is about the freedom to choose what we do with that property.

I do feel sad though that we have this deal going for 33 years and none is benefited. At least I am able to admit to that. And willing to look at other options one being BBF with Federal Government, in the last week or so there have been some pretty good proposals on this forum.

For me though it is the ideological unification that is no where near the physical unification that may happen. That is the key to bringing this land and this peoples together. If we unify so we get the land back and for you to escape the economic embargo then as far as am concerned we have not achieved anything because of the inherent racism, core beliefs and ideology of the Cypriot people.

Will your support for isolation of the north get you to the point you want? No, cant you see its having the opposite effect and views are hardening as GCs enforce the isolation to stop even friendly football matches. You have to realize that in order to get your land back which is the GCs number 1 priority you have to encourage and take measures that will take Tcs out of Turkeys economical grip and allow them to stand on their own 2 feet. Isn't it obvious from the last 33 years that your current mentality does not and will not pay dividends, the chasm will get wider and it will never be crossed.

You move your mouth as to feeling sad for the past but you perpetuate it by not saying that there should be a level playing field and whatever I see fit for myself I see fit for the TCs. This is the only way forward to encourage cooperation and trust which in the future can lead to your utopia of one people one country no discrimination.

[DT.]

Like I said VP keep the land we'll keep the isolation sounds reasonable to me. Actually just in case you have not noticed the International Community are the ones who are keeping the economic embargo. Even your staunchest supporter Pakistan and Britain have kept the economic embargo for 33 years and have clearly stated that they are unable to do anything about direct flights either.

Now I do stand by my statement that I feel as long as you keep the land I support the econmoic embargo and I feel that justifies the illegal occupation of my grandmothers property. As I stated in other posts it is not about the property is about the freedom to choose what we do with that property.

I do feel sad though that we have this deal going for 33 years and none is benefited. At least I am able to admit to that. And willing to look at other options one being BBF with Federal Government, in the last week or so there have been some pretty good proposals on this forum.

For me though it is the ideological unification that is no where near the physical unification that may happen. That is the key to bringing this land and this peoples together. If we unify so we get the land back and for you to escape the economic embargo then as far as am concerned we have not achieved anything because of the inherent racism, core beliefs and ideology of the Cypriot people.

Will your support for isolation of the north get you to the point you want? No, cant you see its having the opposite effect and views are hardening as GCs enforce the isolation to stop even friendly football matches. You have to realize that in order to get your land back which is the GCs number 1 priority you have to encourage and take measures that will take Tcs out of Turkeys economical grip and allow them to stand on their own 2 feet. Isn't it obvious from the last 33 years that your current mentality does not and will not pay dividends, the chasm will get wider and it will never be crossed.

You move your mouth as to feeling sad for the past but you perpetuate it by not saying that there should be a level playing field and whatever I see fit for myself I see fit for the TCs. This is the only way forward to encourage cooperation and trust which in the future can lead to your utopia of one people one country no discrimination.

sorry, no thanks.

You;'re asking for the one weapon we have in our arsenal to counter your posession of our homes to be given up without you moving a finger in the right direction?

sorry, no thanks...no football, no trade, no direct flights.. till you convince us that you will not use this to cement the partition you so desire.

[Kikapu]

btw some of my answers were after putting a TC hat on my head. E.g when I said "Oh what a joy.." that was from the Turkish saying "Oh what a joy to be a Turk"
But Kikapu I would say your questions ARE VERY THOUGHT PROVOKING. I just hope some TCs will try anwer them directly. Will not hold by breath though....

Pyro,

I got that already, so no need to explain on the "Oh what a joy".

I just put few questions together to see where really do the TC's think that the Partition will take us to. The Partitionist always talk about it, so I wanted to know, what the "Promised Land" looked like rather than a peaceful settlement with the GC's. It is not design to mock anyone, but just wanted to know what is it that they are seeing with a Partition, that I'm having a hard time seeing it myself. As you said, I hope few will come forward and answer them directly. They don't even need to be Partitionist to answer the questions, in case they are afraid to be labelled one, but it would help if they were TC's.

[Viewpoint]

Like I said VP keep the land we'll keep the isolation sounds reasonable to me. Actually just in case you have not noticed the International Community are the ones who are keeping the economic embargo. Even your staunchest supporter Pakistan and Britain have kept the economic embargo for 33 years and have clearly stated that they are unable to do anything about direct flights either.

Now I do stand by my statement that I feel as long as you keep the land I support the econmoic embargo and I feel that justifies the illegal occupation of my grandmothers property. As I stated in other posts it is not about the property is about the freedom to choose what we do with that property.

I do feel sad though that we have this deal going for 33 years and none is benefited. At least I am able to admit to that. And willing to look at other options one being BBF with Federal Government, in the last week or so there have been some pretty good proposals on this forum.

For me though it is the ideological unification that is no where near the physical unification that may happen. That is the key to bringing this land and this peoples together. If we unify so we get the land back and for you to escape the economic embargo then as far as am concerned we have not achieved anything because of the inherent racism, core beliefs and ideology of the Cypriot people.

Will your support for isolation of the north get you to the point you want? No, cant you see its having the opposite effect and views are hardening as GCs enforce the isolation to stop even friendly football matches. You have to realize that in order to get your land back which is the GCs number 1 priority you have to encourage and take measures that will take Tcs out of Turkeys economical grip and allow them to stand on their own 2 feet. Isn't it obvious from the last 33 years that your current mentality does not and will not pay dividends, the chasm will get wider and it will never be crossed.

You move your mouth as to feeling sad for the past but you perpetuate it by not saying that there should be a level playing field and whatever I see fit for myself I see fit for the TCs. This is the only way forward to encourage cooperation and trust which in the future can lead to your utopia of one people one country no discrimination.

sorry, no thanks.

You;'re asking for the one weapon we have in our arsenal to counter your posession of our homes to be given up without you moving a finger in the right direction?

sorry, no thanks...no football, no trade, no direct flights.. till you convince us that you will not use this to cement the partition you so desire.

Did I state it would be a one way street? if you see fit for TCs to get their homes or compensation right away then we will do the same. If you demand we live in the "RoC" for 6 months then we will do the same, do you now get the general drift or do you still maintain that your past approach has been fruitful?

[DT.]

Like I said VP keep the land we'll keep the isolation sounds reasonable to me. Actually just in case you have not noticed the International Community are the ones who are keeping the economic embargo. Even your staunchest supporter Pakistan and Britain have kept the economic embargo for 33 years and have clearly stated that they are unable to do anything about direct flights either.

Now I do stand by my statement that I feel as long as you keep the land I support the econmoic embargo and I feel that justifies the illegal occupation of my grandmothers property. As I stated in other posts it is not about the property is about the freedom to choose what we do with that property.

I do feel sad though that we have this deal going for 33 years and none is benefited. At least I am able to admit to that. And willing to look at other options one being BBF with Federal Government, in the last week or so there have been some pretty good proposals on this forum.

For me though it is the ideological unification that is no where near the physical unification that may happen. That is the key to bringing this land and this peoples together. If we unify so we get the land back and for you to escape the economic embargo then as far as am concerned we have not achieved anything because of the inherent racism, core beliefs and ideology of the Cypriot people.

Will your support for isolation of the north get you to the point you want? No, cant you see its having the opposite effect and views are hardening as GCs enforce the isolation to stop even friendly football matches. You have to realize that in order to get your land back which is the GCs number 1 priority you have to encourage and take measures that will take Tcs out of Turkeys economical grip and allow them to stand on their own 2 feet. Isn't it obvious from the last 33 years that your current mentality does not and will not pay dividends, the chasm will get wider and it will never be crossed.

You move your mouth as to feeling sad for the past but you perpetuate it by not saying that there should be a level playing field and whatever I see fit for myself I see fit for the TCs. This is the only way forward to encourage cooperation and trust which in the future can lead to your utopia of one people one country no discrimination.

sorry, no thanks.

You;'re asking for the one weapon we have in our arsenal to counter your posession of our homes to be given up without you moving a finger in the right direction?

sorry, no thanks...no football, no trade, no direct flights.. till you convince us that you will not use this to cement the partition you so desire.

Did I state it would be a one way street? if you see fit for TCs to get their homes or compensation right away then we will do the same. If you demand we live in the "RoC" for 6 months then we will do the same, do you now get the general drift or do you still maintain that your past approach has been fruitful?

sorry didn't get that...Who demands who live in the roc and for what?