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[Viewpoint]

What are you referring to humanist?

[humanist]

I am saying that partition will not happen in the next 40 years.

[Viewpoint]

Partition has already physically happened its just not recognized but luckily enough GC policies will ensure that this happens.

[Kikapu]

I am saying that partition will not happen in the next 40 years.

Humanist,

I'm just for the sake of conversation asking the questions, as to what are the meaning of a Partition (official) to the TC's, the GC's and Cyprus. For all I know, Partition may have less chance than the Second coming of Christ, but lets not spoil the fun for those Partitionist, so instead let them tell us, what will it mean to have a Partition.

Is it possible that they do not know the answers themselves.??

[Pyrpolizer]

I think the Tcs dream of partitition as something that will equate them with the areas under control of RoC and become an independent state. They tend to forget that if the RoC did not have any TCs it would have been annexed with Greece a long time ago. Imo agreed partition is nothing but a dream it will never happen but for the sake of discussion I give my I answers below.

1. What does Partition actually mean to you.?

a) the "TRNC" is a recognised Country? Yes. Oh what a joy …
b) the "TRNC" gets to have Direct Trade and Flights? Hmm no that’s just a step towards partition but not full partiton as the TCs dream it
c) the "TRNC" will make an application to the EU to become a member? Maybe but on second thought no because that would mean joining with the GCs. Asking for derrogations will not be acceptable by GCs either so lets forget the EU
d) the "TRNC" will no longer have to deal with the GC property claims? Yes if the terms of partition are agreed with the GCs (i.e. it will never happen). So NO is the answer
e) the "TRNC" will no longer need Turkey's financial and military
support? It will need at least the military support
f) the "TRNC" will be welcomed by the RoC as good neighbours? Hated enemies rather
g) the "TRNC" will become a prosperous and productive Country.? I don’t know

2. How does the Partition help the "TRNC".?

a) Other than Tourism, what other Trade the "TRNC" can offer
to the outside world that is not already available to those
countries.? I don’t know. Don’t forget the competition from the GCs too
b) Will the "TRNC" be able to export anymore goods than they
already export to Turkey now.? I don’t know
c) How does the "TRNC" ever expect to enter the EU along with
Turkey.? I think they will not join
d) After Partition, what is to stop Turkey annexing the "TRNC" if neither
will be accepted into the EU.? nothing.
e) What goods can be imported into the "TRNC", that they are not
available right now via Turkey.? none
f) How can the "TRNC" have a Government and run a country with
such small population without "Heavy Corruption" because it will be
the case of, most people will know someone that knows someone in
the Government and will ask for favours.? It will be very difficult
g) Will the "TRNC" TC's tear up their RoC passports, once they got their
Partition or will the RoC do it for them, as no longer being Citizens
of the RoC.? The Tcs will not need RoC passports anymore

3. Can most of the items above NOT be achieved through a "TRUE
BBF". Is Partition really necessary, even if it means, there will
be some Greek spoken around some TC's.?
BBF is very close to partition. I don’t support BBF. I always talk for FEDERAL STRUCTURE not BBF

[humanist]

Dream on mate....... just remember the world has not and will not in any near future recognise the so called trnc. Yes you hold the land hostage and that is all you will have for another 40 years. am happy with that. seems fair to me.

[Viewpoint]

Dream on mate....... just remember the world has not and will not in any near future recognise the so called trnc. Yes you hold the land hostage and that is all you will have for another 40 years. am happy with that. seems fair to me.

Each to their own as long as you keep us isolated we will fight the good fight and continue on with our lives in the best way possible.

[Kikapu]

Thanks for answering the questions Pyro. I would like to hear from those who believe that Partition will be good for them.

So far no takers from any Partitionist.

If there are no takers, then what are all the fuss with the Partitionist on this Forum.??

[Pyrpolizer]

btw some of my answers were after putting a TC hat on my head. E.g when I said "Oh what a joy.." that was from the Turkish saying "Oh what a joy to be a Turk"

But Kikapu I would say your questions ARE VERY THOUGHT PROVOKING. I just hope some TCs will try anwer them directly. Will not hold by breath though....

[zan]

I tried the "Solution Plan" with you all, so now let me ask you a question on the Partition. Many TC's on this Forum are waiting for a Partition every passing day just like the Christians are waiting for the Second coming of the Christ. Lets assume, both of the above have happened today, now what.??

These are my questions.

1. What does Partition actually mean to you.?

a) the "TRNC" is a recognised Country? Yes
b) the "TRNC" gets to have Direct Trade and Flights? Yes
c) the "TRNC" will make an application to the EU to become a member? Yes
d) the "TRNC" will no longer have to deal with the GC property claims?No
e) the "TRNC" will no longer need Turkey's financial and military
support? Short term Yes
f) the "TRNC" will be welcomed by the RoC as good neighbours? Yes
g) the "TRNC" will become a prosperous and productive Country.? Yes
2. How does the Partition help the "TRNC".?

a) Other than Tourism, what other Trade the "TRNC" can offer
to the outside world that is not already available to those
countries.? The same as any other small island. Look up Menorca if you like and tell me what the difference is. Wait a minute how about the "RoC".
b) Will the "TRNC" be able to export anymore goods than they
already export to Turkey now.? Not much goes to Turkey because Turkey can do it cheaper because they are free to trade. We are not.
c) How does the "TRNC" ever expect to enter the EU along with
Turkey.? ?????? Don't understand the question.
d) After Partition, what is to stop Turkey annexing the "TRNC" if neither
will be accepted into the EU.? Why would they want to annexe an allie
e) What goods can be imported into the "TRNC", that they are not
available right now via Turkey.? As people get richer and a stable economy is reached then everything.
f) How can the "TRNC" have a Government and run a country with
such small population without "Heavy Corruption" because it will be
the case of, most people will know someone that knows someone in
the Government and will ask for favours.? What like in the "RoC" you mean. I think you are showing a lack of trust for the people and not for the numbers of people here Kikapu. Totaly unfair and wrong.
g) Will the "TRNC" TC's tear up their RoC passports, once they got their
Partition or will the RoC do it for them, as no longer being Citizens
of the RoC.? That I am afraid is up to the individual and the "RoC". It has no obligation to an independant republic.

3. Can most of the items above NOT be achieved through a "TRUE
BBF". Is Partition really necessary, even if it means, there will
be some Greek spoken around some TC's.? As long as it is not main land Greek then we do not mind. I find the mother tongue hard to swallow.

4. Any answers.? See above.