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[T_C]

I know DT. I understand mate.

Theres a lot of these settlers who are educated people who come and work their asses off to survive here...they are fine with me because they REALLY contribute and are REALLY good people who arent gaining on no ones losses.

I know a lot of GCs have this ''image'' of settlers but some are genuinely good people like some of the Brits you have over there...its these lot that I wouldnt mind staying. The ones that fit that ''image'' are the ones I would only be too happy to see go too!

[BirKibrisli]

Unless a miracle happens the TC culture will disappear from the North withing 25 years....But it will not disappear completely....The TC culture and identity will live in the GCs in the South....As long as one GC is left in Cyprus future anthropologists will have an idea what a TC was like before the world conspired to make them extinct...

Bir my friend...please do not say these things without coming to Cyprus because this is simply NOT the case. The article has truth to it but TCs arent going anywhere and nor is our culture.

Settlers have been coming here since 74....TCs are still aplenty and people who come here fit in with US, the settlers aren't turning us into Turks, they're fitting in with US!

Does any of the TCs who are unbiased (ie: Iceman) have anything to add? Am I wrong? I really don't think I am because people here are very much Cypriot. Furthermore TCs make a lot of the Turks feel VERY unwelcome here...

I hope you are right,t_c...But consider the possibility that yours is simply wishful thinking....
I read the TC online media every day...I read time and time again (and not only in Afrika!!!) columnists lamenting the loss of their culture and identity....I read people describing how they walk from Girne kapisi (Kyrenia Gate) to Ataturk Square without encountering one TC face...Pressure coming from the top to become more and more "Turkish"every day....They are starting to introduce Koran courses at schools to make people more Islamic....The other day some Turkish thug of a security man beat up the best known TC stage actor in the NOrth.His guilt? Asking him to please speak more politely....Mafia and drug barons are having a field day...You are kidding yourself if you think TCs can absorb all this pressure without changing...But lets hope u r right...

[bigOz]

Unless a miracle happens the TC culture will disappear from the North withing 25 years....But it will not disappear completely....The TC culture and identity will live in the GCs in the South....As long as one GC is left in Cyprus future anthropologists will have an idea what a TC was like before the world conspired to make them extinct...

Bir my friend...please do not say these things without coming to Cyprus because this is simply NOT the case. The article has truth to it but TCs aren't going anywhere and nor is our culture.

Settlers have been coming here since 74....TCs are still aplenty and people who come here fit in with US, the settlers aren't turning us into Turks, they're fitting in with US!

Does any of the TCs who are unbiased (ie: Iceman) have anything to add? Am I wrong? I really don't think I am because people here are very much Cypriot. Furthermore TCs make a lot of the Turks feel VERY unwelcome here...

I hope you are right,t_c...But consider the possibility that yours is simply wishful thinking....
I read the TC online media every day...I read time and time again (and not only in Afrika!!!) columnists lamenting the loss of their culture and identity....I read people describing how they walk from Girne kapisi (Kyrenia Gate) to Ataturk Square without encountering one TC face...Pressure coming from the top to become more and more "Turkish"every day....They are starting to introduce Koran courses at schools to make people more Islamic....The other day some Turkish thug of a security man beat up the best known TC stage actor in the NOrth.His guilt? Asking him to please speak more politely....Mafia and drug barons are having a field day...You are kidding yourself if you think TCs can absorb all this pressure without changing...But lets hope u r right...

BK, with all respect, I think you've gone a little off track here!

The drug barons and the problems they bring with them is not unique to TRNC but is even more evident in the South. Compared to Mafia style bombings and shootings that go on in the South every year, North Cyprus still has a lot of catching up to do!

Religion and Koran courses always existed in TC schools - did you not get any at your school? I used to hate them and made up any excuse to miss them, and my son who is 12 now has been doing exactly the same
Religion had and will never affect the TC culture! Some wealthy religious bodies whether from Saudi Arabia or Turkey - it really does not matter - will always build a new mosque or finance more facilities for religious classes. But that can also happen in the South if the price is right!

You seem to have an opinion on what you read in the press which is often politically motivated and hence exaggerated. Those of us who have lived recently or live in Cyprus know very well that the North is not flooded as such with settlers from Turkey. Neither has the culture has disappeared - turkish-cypriot is absolutely right in saying that the settlers have converted to Cypriot culture! Most even talk with a Cypriot accent rather than the mainland Turkish one!

What is often being confused is the cheap labour brought in from Turkey who work in construction sites and other labour intensive areas. There are hundreds of them in each town, who wander the streets aimlessly especially at the weekends, and often they are also the source of petty crimes such as break-ins and thefts. They are not the settlers though! Only cheap labour that can be located and disposed of easily, once an agreement is reached and stricter immigration rules apply.

Arguments between the way people address each other and even fights as such cannot be an argument in this instance. It happens between TCs and GCs, between TCs and TCs, between GCs and GCs, between English tourists and GCs or TCs all the time. It usually takes two to tango, and even if there is an unjust attack on a person like the one you mentioned, it is a very rare case and not an everyday occurrence. I assure you, if this sort of behaviour became the norm, the TCs are quite capable of dealing with it in other ways - and I personally witnessed it happen in many entertainment places in the past!

[BirKibrisli]

BK, with all respect, I think you've gone a little off track here!

The drug barons and the problems they bring with them is not unique to TRNC but is even more evident in the South. Compared to Mafia style bombings and shootings that go on in the South every year, North Cyprus still has a lot of catching up to do!

Religion and Koran courses always existed in TC schools - did you not get any at your school? I used to hate them and made up any excuse to miss them, and my son who is 12 now has been doing exactly the same
Religion had and will never affect the TC culture! Some wealthy religious bodies whether from Saudi Arabia or Turkey - it really does not matter - will always build a new mosque or finance more facilities for religious classes. But that can also happen in the South if the price is right!

You seem to have an opinion on what you read in the press which is often politically motivated and hence exaggerated. Those of us who have lived recently or live in Cyprus know very well that the North is not flooded as such with settlers from Turkey. Neither has the culture has disappeared - turkish-cypriot is absolutely right in saying that the settlers have converted to Cypriot culture! Most even talk with a Cypriot accent rather than the mainland Turkish one!

What is often being confused is the cheap labour brought in from Turkey who work in construction sites and other labour intensive areas. There are hundreds of them in each town, who wander the streets aimlessly especially at the weekends, and often they are also the source of petty crimes such as break-ins and thefts. They are not the settlers though! Only cheap labour that can be located and disposed of easily, once an agreement is reached and stricter immigration rules apply.

Arguments between the way people address each other and even fights as such cannot be an argument in this instance. It happens between TCs and GCs, between TCs and TCs, between GCs and GCs, between English tourists and GCs or TCs all the time. It usually takes two to tango, and even if there is an unjust attack on a person like the one you mentioned, it is a very rare case and not an everyday occurrence. I assure you, if this sort of behaviour became the norm, the TCs are quite capable of dealing with it in other ways - and I personally witnessed it happen in many entertainment places in the past!

You are putting the best spin on all this,bigOz....but i am still worried...very worried....
Of course drugs gambling prostitution exist in all countries...But it is only a small part of the legal or illegal economy....and it is tightly controlled by stringent laws of those countries...We can't say that about the Trnc....

I remember having din dersi (religious instruction) about one hour a week in primary school....But we are now talking about systematic indoctrination of young minds by real fanatics with intensive summer courses and after school hour studies....Some of the stuff I read make my hairs stand on end....How they are scaring innocent children with hell fire and brimstone...or whatever it is they use to scare people witless...

bigOz....when the AKP uses the chief religious officer in the trnc to organise and reorganise the political landscape,via people resigning from their elected parties and forming new parites and forming new coalitions,even blind Freddie would smell some danger....You and VP and Zan (where is he by the way?) might want to bury your heads in the sand mate...but it won't change the feeling in my guts that "something is rotten
in the state of Denmark"...

[iceman]

I remember having din dersi (religious instruction) about one hour a week in primary school....But we are now talking about systematic indoctrination of young minds by real fanatics with intensive summer courses and after school hour studies....Some of the stuff I read make my hairs stand on end....How they are scaring innocent children with hell fire and brimstone...or whatever it is they use to scare people witless...

I understand and share your worries regarding this "kuran kursu" news but all can say is "do not believe everything you read on papers" because this was just an idea and to my knowledge has been rejected big time..
rest assured,they cant force us to be religious.

[zan]

BK, with all respect, I think you've gone a little off track here!

The drug barons and the problems they bring with them is not unique to TRNC but is even more evident in the South. Compared to Mafia style bombings and shootings that go on in the South every year, North Cyprus still has a lot of catching up to do!

Religion and Koran courses always existed in TC schools - did you not get any at your school? I used to hate them and made up any excuse to miss them, and my son who is 12 now has been doing exactly the same
Religion had and will never affect the TC culture! Some wealthy religious bodies whether from Saudi Arabia or Turkey - it really does not matter - will always build a new mosque or finance more facilities for religious classes. But that can also happen in the South if the price is right!

You seem to have an opinion on what you read in the press which is often politically motivated and hence exaggerated. Those of us who have lived recently or live in Cyprus know very well that the North is not flooded as such with settlers from Turkey. Neither has the culture has disappeared - turkish-cypriot is absolutely right in saying that the settlers have converted to Cypriot culture! Most even talk with a Cypriot accent rather than the mainland Turkish one!

What is often being confused is the cheap labour brought in from Turkey who work in construction sites and other labour intensive areas. There are hundreds of them in each town, who wander the streets aimlessly especially at the weekends, and often they are also the source of petty crimes such as break-ins and thefts. They are not the settlers though! Only cheap labour that can be located and disposed of easily, once an agreement is reached and stricter immigration rules apply.

Arguments between the way people address each other and even fights as such cannot be an argument in this instance. It happens between TCs and GCs, between TCs and TCs, between GCs and GCs, between English tourists and GCs or TCs all the time. It usually takes two to tango, and even if there is an unjust attack on a person like the one you mentioned, it is a very rare case and not an everyday occurrence. I assure you, if this sort of behaviour became the norm, the TCs are quite capable of dealing with it in other ways - and I personally witnessed it happen in many entertainment places in the past!

You are putting the best spin on all this,bigOz....but i am still worried...very worried....
Of course drugs gambling prostitution exist in all countries...But it is only a small part of the legal or illegal economy....and it is tightly controlled by stringent laws of those countries...We can't say that about the Trnc....

I remember having din dersi (religious instruction) about one hour a week in primary school....But we are now talking about systematic indoctrination of young minds by real fanatics with intensive summer courses and after school hour studies....Some of the stuff I read make my hairs stand on end....How they are scaring innocent children with hell fire and brimstone...or whatever it is they use to scare people witless...

bigOz....when the AKP uses the chief religious officer in the trnc to organise and reorganise the political landscape,via people resigning from their elected parties and forming new parites and forming new coalitions,even blind Freddie would smell some danger....You and VP and Zan (where is he by the way?) might want to bury your heads in the sand mate...but it won't change the feeling in my guts that "something is rotten
in the state of Denmark"...

Any worries about the Greek Orthodox Church and their teachings. They have been at it non stop but now you see danger in fanatics.

[bigOz]

BK! If I visit you in Australia, will you promise to come and visit N. Cyprus, to see for yourself what the true state of affairs are concerning our cultural, political and religious views?

This "remote control" business from thousands of miles away is not really working! Why don't you throw away whatever hard feelings you may have for whatever reason, and visit your country? I promise, unlike what you are led to believe, we respect people of any political view (as long as they are not fanatic racists) and you'll be made to feel most welcome by everyone who got to know you in this forum...

[BirKibrisli]

BK, with all respect, I think you've gone a little off track here!

The drug barons and the problems they bring with them is not unique to TRNC but is even more evident in the South. Compared to Mafia style bombings and shootings that go on in the South every year, North Cyprus still has a lot of catching up to do!

Religion and Koran courses always existed in TC schools - did you not get any at your school? I used to hate them and made up any excuse to miss them, and my son who is 12 now has been doing exactly the same
Religion had and will never affect the TC culture! Some wealthy religious bodies whether from Saudi Arabia or Turkey - it really does not matter - will always build a new mosque or finance more facilities for religious classes. But that can also happen in the South if the price is right!

You seem to have an opinion on what you read in the press which is often politically motivated and hence exaggerated. Those of us who have lived recently or live in Cyprus know very well that the North is not flooded as such with settlers from Turkey. Neither has the culture has disappeared - turkish-cypriot is absolutely right in saying that the settlers have converted to Cypriot culture! Most even talk with a Cypriot accent rather than the mainland Turkish one!

What is often being confused is the cheap labour brought in from Turkey who work in construction sites and other labour intensive areas. There are hundreds of them in each town, who wander the streets aimlessly especially at the weekends, and often they are also the source of petty crimes such as break-ins and thefts. They are not the settlers though! Only cheap labour that can be located and disposed of easily, once an agreement is reached and stricter immigration rules apply.

Arguments between the way people address each other and even fights as such cannot be an argument in this instance. It happens between TCs and GCs, between TCs and TCs, between GCs and GCs, between English tourists and GCs or TCs all the time. It usually takes two to tango, and even if there is an unjust attack on a person like the one you mentioned, it is a very rare case and not an everyday occurrence. I assure you, if this sort of behaviour became the norm, the TCs are quite capable of dealing with it in other ways - and I personally witnessed it happen in many entertainment places in the past!

You are putting the best spin on all this,bigOz....but i am still worried...very worried....
Of course drugs gambling prostitution exist in all countries...But it is only a small part of the legal or illegal economy....and it is tightly controlled by stringent laws of those countries...We can't say that about the Trnc....

I remember having din dersi (religious instruction) about one hour a week in primary school....But we are now talking about systematic indoctrination of young minds by real fanatics with intensive summer courses and after school hour studies....Some of the stuff I read make my hairs stand on end....How they are scaring innocent children with hell fire and brimstone...or whatever it is they use to scare people witless...

bigOz....when the AKP uses the chief religious officer in the trnc to organise and reorganise the political landscape,via people resigning from their elected parties and forming new parites and forming new coalitions,even blind Freddie would smell some danger....You and VP and Zan (where is he by the way?) might want to bury your heads in the sand mate...but it won't change the feeling in my guts that "something is rotten
in the state of Denmark"...

Any worries about the Greek Orthodox Church and their teachings. They have been at it non stop but now you see danger in fanatics.

There you are ,Zan...
I thought you were away,but maybe because I haven't been around much myslef....School holidays and all that. You will understand...
Look mate...We can't do much about the doings of the Orthodox Church in the Republic....But we can damn well take a good look at what is happening in our own backyard,and try to do something about that...Sweeping problems under the carpet is not going to help our community one iota...The most effective criticism is one which comes from within.That is why I am hard on us, TCs...I leave it to GCs to criticise their side...And if they don't it is their loss...They are only kidding themselves....It won't advance the solution of the peace one step. There are GCs in this forum who do criticise their own side....Cypez/Pyros/Bananiot/Miltiades/Humanist come readily to mind...This is my overall philosophy.Each side put their own house in order,and then we meet in the middle and solve our problems....It is the only way mate.Believe me...

[BirKibrisli]

BK! If I visit you in Australia, will you promise to come and visit N. Cyprus, to see for yourself what the true state of affairs are concerning our cultural, political and religious views?

This "remote control" business from thousands of miles away is not really working! Why don't you throw away whatever hard feelings you may have for whatever reason, and visit your country? I promise, unlike what you are led to believe, we respect people of any political view (as long as they are not fanatic racists) and you'll be made to feel most welcome by everyone who got to know you in this forum...

Well...I met mrfromng in Sydney and lived to tell the story...So I can meet you too if you come to Sydney...Provided you give me ur word of honour you are not a TMT hitman

As to my visit to the North,I will come if you would guarantee my safe passage out of there Or promise to come and join me while I do my military service...Do they have a Dad's Army section by any chance????

[halil]

As to my visit to the North,I will come if you would guarantee my safe passage out of there Or promise to come and join me while I do my military service...Do they have a Dad's Army section by any chance????
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why don't u visit the army!s web site or write them to get better answer for u. Lots of tc's like whenever they comes back nothing happens them.they do what the laws says.when u asked them u can decide for your self what is good for u what is bad for.Does'nt make any sense talking all the time that if u come dada.....dada..... dada.....
have look at here http://www.mucahit.net/asal/askeralma_ENG.htm
may be u can get the answer.don't listen what the others says.