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[oranos64]

eliko ...cheers ...but i have seen and done a lot in my life .. i am stating what i know ...and what i hear ... i know cyprus and we will not sit back and watch things go the way they are for long ...a lot of people are frustrated ...when the average cypriot earns £10k a year and cannot afford land in his own country ,who and how long will sit back and see coastal houses sold to visitors for £300k etc
at the end of the day ...in the uk in mid 90s ...people were banned from buying property in the lake district ...the weathly bought land ,houses and turn towns into ghost towns except for a few weeks in the year when they took holidays ..towns closed down shops etc ..the property was too expensive for locals ...
this is already the case in oroklini and ayia napa suburbs where propertry is empty ..in paphos there is property which is empty for over two years which has not been sold ...
why ...bro us cypriots are greedy ....i know some people are not happy .....and us greeks can be vicious ...

i think the golf courses planned are a disgrace ...especially as we are already running water reserves to the bone ..i spoke to the emergency planning departments and they agree that there will be water shortages placed on them so what is the point ...yes corfu can host golf courses ..it has wetter climates ..but cyprus ...man we dont even have parks for children
watch this place .... a good greek speaks his mind and acts for his people ...
i urge all greeks i even have english friends who agree ...cyprus has no soul ....

BUILDERS BUILD FOR YOUR PEOPLE NOT JUST THE RICH TOURIST ....

[hissyfits]

If the reasons for Brits getting conned centres around title deeds not being issued due to corrupt builders, lawyers and the fact that the law does not protect the buyer then you should sympathise with all that buy in cyprus whether north or south. Buying Greek Cypriot Land is a completely different issue to the corruption that is happening north and south.

[Eliko]

oranos64, well spoken mate and good luck to you.

[humanist]

Complaints have been so plentiful that some expatriates organized the Home Buyers Pressure Group and held demonstrations outside the Turkish Cypriot Parliament to draw attention to their plight.

One such home buyer is Derek Jolly, a British citizen who lives in the village of Ozankoy, about five kilometers, or three miles, east of Kyrenia. "In my development there are 20 houses," he said. "All of them have been paid for by people like myself, looking to retire or have a holiday home here.

"Now though, the construction company has gone into liquidation and we have found that the land has been mortgaged by someone else - after we'd paid for it," Jolly said.

Pauline Hayton, a Briton who is living in another new development near the town of Lapta, described similar problems. "We were told that the place was ready and so we shipped all our furniture out here," she said. "When we arrived, there wasn't even a sink in the kitchen, doors or windows.

"We had to keep everything in a container for weeks," Hayton added. "We have to truck in water and for electricity there's just a wire running to a neighbor's house. This whole thing has been so stressful. I've lost weight and my nerves are shot."

"It's very, very frustrating," said Marian Stokes, chairwoman of the home buyers' group. "People come here with a dream and then find they are living with no electricity, no water, piles of rubbish, the total destruction of the environment around them, too. The main problem is that there is no protection of title deeds. This leaves the landowner able to do anything they like."

I can recommend an unethical lawyer to represent you guys ..... Cherie B_ _ _ H Booth or Blair.

[tessintrnc]

There are 2 issues going on here, one is the buying up of Greek Cypriot land and the other is the shoddy workmanship and pre-mortgaged lands issue. No, I dont agree that people should buy Greek Cyp land in the North. The other issue is the quality of the buildings - some of which are built on pre 74 Turkish Cyp or foreign owned land. With regards the cost and the "freezing" out of local people, yes I agree that this is going to cause problems in the future. One of my friends Turkish Cyp neighbours gave her son a piece of land when he turned 21, she thought he would try and have -with the help of his family, a house built. What did he do? He sold it and bought a flashy CAR......... You cant blame anyone else for that - and I hear it is happening over and over again, family land being sold off without a thought for the future. Dont always blame the buyer.......the root of the problem is with the seller. Tess

[humanist]

Tess that may be the case, though the byer needs to take responsibility also. If you buy a car knowing that it is stolen would you still buy it? I doubt you will. If you buy land knowing that the land in the area you are purchasing is likely to have been stolen from a refugee, then you need to think twice. If you are buying land in an area that is not a recognised country or municipality ten you need t pay eaxtra extra extra attention. And if you happened to buy land that is stolen like the oram land then, don't take the refugee to court take the thief who sold you the land in the first place and hopefuly you could come to an agreement with the refugee for some compensation or sue the pants of the thief who sold you the property in the first place and then go south and buy legal land from the rightful owner. Simple recipe for success really

[tessintrnc]

Humanist, quite right, of course - the buyer has the responsibility NOT to buy that sort of land, but the way it was sold a few yrs ago - I would say that the average buyer wasnt aware of the TRUE meaning of "exchange land". The very name implies that the seller - the TRNC "owner" swopped his land in the South for land here. The fact that the Greek Cyp was not a party to this "exchange" was NEVER stated. BUT, in the light of all the publicity - including, but not limited to the Orams case, then I would say "buyer, beware" indeed. Your recipe for success Humanist, - yes indeed I agree with you, but when have things ever been simple in Cyprus? One can only hope and pray that one day.......
Tess

[oranos64]

allow me to explain a few things to people buying properties in the south and north .
before you buy ...or even view ...give little information away and always bring a third party with you
when you buy get a third party involved ..ideally if you want buy a audio sound recorder to record conversations
when you buy get Greek cypriot law firm which has reps who speak english
both the south and north is rife with corruption " greed is abandent in cyprus " make sure you get a building consultant to view the property .
view the land ,its history

heres some advice
in paphos river beds ,un secured land has been built on ,most property in cyprus is not painted probably nor protected for dampness
make sure you have 3 phase electricity,get your plumber to install dual pipping ...if one pipe corrudes you slide out the original pipe and replace ..

install water filters and get £3500 ready have water check for your own use
unfortuantely cyprus on both sides is corrupt ...greek ,english or turkish builders are all good but also corrupt ..cyprus is the population of a borough of london 1mil ...so everybody knows someone to get building approval
building has become so easy everyone is an expert now but most employ divs to build
i have never met someone in cyprus who does not have a building complaint .
DTA .dont trust no one ...ask many questions and consult with everyone

as for the divs who buy greek cypriot land or turkish land with out deeds
watch out ...if we have a solution watch your land disappear ...cyprus is small this is not spain the owners will come for it ...i would not steal land from turkish cypriots ...i would not buy french land with out deeds
no court will save you
cherie blair .....you will loose ...cyprus belongs to cypriots

also on that note ...greek churchs give back the land you took from your people during the first turkish occupation ...times almost up for your corruption !

[Southerner]

please ...we are going to cry tears over brits buying land in cyprus on the north side and getting conned i think not ...man why you buy ...do some research hhahahhahaha please and the e.u agree to turkey joining the E.U no chance ....not for soem 30 years
dont buy stolen land ...simple ....i found this whole subject laugherable ...and as for scum who buy land to force prices up ....hahahhahahha sit back ....there is a limited amount of land in cyprus ...how long before the locals end it all ...why should E.O.K.A die to free cyprus ,so we can sell it back years later !!! and give our children nowt but british landlords ....tick tick bang .

One thing that has puzzled me is if the Greek Cyopriots want compensation for the loss of their land in the north have the Turkish Cypriots ever been compensated for losing their land in the south such as Episkopi village?
I've asked this question whilst on holiday but I never get a clear answer to the dangers/pitfalls of buying property on what was Turkish Cypriot owned proerty/land.

[Viewpoint]

The Brits are blissfully happy in the knowledge that there will never be a solution in Cyprus, are they wrong? we have proven them right and are doing so even today...so instead of blaming others blame yourselves for the current situation which looks like it stay this way in our life time.