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[iceman]

Wouldn't Greece be legally obliged to defend Cyprus following the Joint Defence Doctrine?

Greece might be legally obliged to defend Cyprus in such a sutuation but would she be prepared to go to war with Turkey?
Lets not forget any clash between Greek & Turkish forces in Cyprus might automatically spread to Aegean and this alone is enough reason for Greece to avoid (officially) taking part in any military dispute..

[Viewpoint]

Then DT why not try to win the TCs over to your side, encourage cooperation and a sense that we to belong to a united Cyprus? Your current leader is doing the opposite and he has sucessfully alienated TCs even further, it will take a lot of work to get TCs to turn their boat around as it sails firmly in Turkeys direction.

we'll take care of our own leader VP don't worry. Its not our job to woo anyone. You on the other hand can start by taking down some uselss provocative gestures such as your cabaret by night show on pendadaktylos. Then you might make life a little easier towards some of the harder working GC's trying to turn this thing around.

Are we playing tit for tat again? then as soon as you take down the all that rubbish at ledra palace then we cna do the same. You miss the point totally it obvious to everyone your intentions are not sharing but domination of TCs.

its getting quite funny when you drop into your world domination phase. All of a sudden while we're talking you start hallucinating that i'm darth vader.

You have just killed any chance of a serious debate, your ancestors also made the same mistake and tried to ignore the TCs..keep up the good work, your are running true to form.

how can i have a serious debate with you anyway??????

Soon as i ask you to acknowledge a fault/mistake from your faultless side!!!! you immediately jump back into your armadillo phase...roll yourself in a ball and start screaming out to anyone that can hear you that I'm trying to dominate you! Get over yourself and discuss like a human being cause this "I'm a victim, i've only suffered, proove to me you don't have horns"attitude while you're sleeping in some GC's house doesn't hold water anymore matey.

Your stubborn and despot attitude does not make debate with you a pleasure either. Wise up we have concerns and brushing them to one side will not help resolve anything, time to get off your high horse and talk with sincerity rather than scarcasm which will only increase your enemies and not bring the two communities together.

[pitsilos]

i don't know as to why anyone takes these clowns, vips, plural, seriously and replies back to them...might as well join the fools at atca...

[humanist]

Bir I agree with DT's answer

[halil]

Here is another view for u from greens party

Cem Özdemir – a member of the European Parliament’s Green Party

Your "unbiased" article should have stopped at just the Turkish name halil.
IF i drive u crasy !!!!! I am sorry !!!!!!!


Cem Özdemir - politics beyond ethnic terms
If you're looking for the new generation of German politicians, you can hardly find a better example than Cem Özdemir. He is a Green party MP, the son of Turkish guest workers - and the first politician of Turkish origin to enter mainstream German politics.
http://www.oezdemir.de/

[alexISS]

Wouldn't Greece be legally obliged to defend Cyprus following the Joint Defence Doctrine?

Greece might be legally obliged to defend Cyprus in such a sutuation but would she be prepared to go to war with Turkey?
Lets not forget any clash between Greek & Turkish forces in Cyprus might automatically spread to Aegean and this alone is enough reason for Greece to avoid (officially) taking part in any military dispute..

The Greek government would HAVE to go to war with Turkey, if not by a spontaneous political decision, then definately by public demand. The front would not spread anywhere else simply because Turkey would not be able to handle it. And the Greek aid would not be limited to air support, some troops would be dispatched as well (not conscripts but professional soldiers) and ,most important, many, many warships

[iceman]

Wouldn't Greece be legally obliged to defend Cyprus following the Joint Defence Doctrine?

Greece might be legally obliged to defend Cyprus in such a sutuation but would she be prepared to go to war with Turkey?
Lets not forget any clash between Greek & Turkish forces in Cyprus might automatically spread to Aegean and this alone is enough reason for Greece to avoid (officially) taking part in any military dispute..

The Greek government would HAVE to go to war with Turkey, if not by a spontaneous political decision, then definately by public demand. The front would not spread anywhere else simply because Turkey would not be able to handle it. And the Greek aid would not be limited to air support, some troops would be dispatched as well (not conscripts but professional soldiers) and ,most important, many, many warships

Can you please elaborate your statement
"The front would not spread anywhere else simply because Turkey would not be able to handle it"
Why do you think Turkey will not be able to "handle it"?

[alexISS]

Wouldn't Greece be legally obliged to defend Cyprus following the Joint Defence Doctrine?

Greece might be legally obliged to defend Cyprus in such a sutuation but would she be prepared to go to war with Turkey?
Lets not forget any clash between Greek & Turkish forces in Cyprus might automatically spread to Aegean and this alone is enough reason for Greece to avoid (officially) taking part in any military dispute..

The Greek government would HAVE to go to war with Turkey, if not by a spontaneous political decision, then definately by public demand. The front would not spread anywhere else simply because Turkey would not be able to handle it. And the Greek aid would not be limited to air support, some troops would be dispatched as well (not conscripts but professional soldiers) and ,most important, many, many warships

Can you please elaborate your statement
"The front would not spread anywhere else simply because Turkey would not be able to handle it"
Why do you think Turkey will not be able to "handle it"?

because Turkey would have to assign a very large amount of its resources to lost causes, simple as that. Turkey cannot invade Greece through the mountaneous, well guarded and armed terrain of Thrace, obviously. Turkey also cannot attack the Aegean islands, because it would have to try to occupy A LOT of them and then try to maintain its occupation, while at the same time facing the FAR superior Greek naval fleet and the more or less equal airforce. In other words, troops would not make a difference in a Greco-Turkish war, because there would be no way for Turkey to dispatch them to mainland Greece. The best scenario for Turkey would be a brief capture of 2-3 Greek islands before it retreats

[bigOz]

See next post pse!

[bigOz]

The Greek government would HAVE to go to war with Turkey, if not by a spontaneous political decision, then definately by public demand. The front would not spread anywhere else simply because Turkey would not be able to handle it. And the Greek aid would not be limited to air support, some troops would be dispatched as well (not conscripts but professional soldiers) and ,most important, many, many warships

Can you please elaborate your statement
"The front would not spread anywhere else simply because Turkey would not be able to handle it"
Why do you think Turkey will not be able to "handle it"?

because Turkey would have to assign a very large amount of its resources to lost causes, simple as that. Turkey cannot invade Greece through the mountaneous, well guarded and armed terrain of Thrace, obviously. Turkey also cannot attack the Aegean islands, because it would have to try to occupy A LOT of them and then try to maintain its occupation, while at the same time facing the FAR superior Greek naval fleet and the more or less equal airforce. In other words, troops would not make a difference in a Greco-Turkish war, because there would be no way for Turkey to dispatch them to mainland Greece. The best scenario for Turkey would be a brief capture of 2-3 Greek islands before it retreats

I am sorry to have to say that you are living an illusion as so many of your compatriots do alexISS, because none of your allegations are correct! You are clearly misinformed by Greek propaganda machine. I assure you, if it came to it, Turkey has enough menpower to occupy all the main islands in the Aegean and still have enough airforrce navy and troops to fight Armenia and Syria at the same time!

Below please find the latest position with regards to the strength of the two military powers in question as quoted by GlobalFirePower.com / Breaking down the world's armies:

Yearly Military Expenditure
Turkey $12,155,000,000 Greece $5,890,000,000

Available Military Manpower
Turkey 16,756,323 ...... Greece 2,459,988

Total Military Personnel
Turkey 1,043,550 ..... Greece 179,800

Active Frontline Personnel
Turkey 514,850...... Greece 65,000

Aircraft
Turkey 1,964 ...... Greece 847

Armour
Turkey 7,165 ...... Greece 4,403

Infantry Support Systems
Turkey 9,631 ...... Greece 1,967

Navy Units
Turkey 182 ...... Greece 116

Major Ports
Turkey 8 ...... Greece 6

Arms Exports
Turkey $30,000,000 ...... Greece $NA

Arms Imports
Turkey $99,000,000 ...... Greece $16,000,000

Gold Reserves
Turkey $46,500,000,000 ...... Greece $2,300,000,000

Where is it do you see above that Greece is a bigger naval powerthan Turkey or her airforce is anything near the levels of the Turkish airforce? Perhaps you'll reconsider your previous statements now? [/list]