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Re: Football In Cyprus

Postby halil » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:05 pm

eduk wrote:Just wondering if anybody can help. I require as much information as possible about football in Cyprus.

Obviously I can access websites, but it seems they are all written in Greek, which is something of a problem to me as I'm afraid I can only speak English.

I require general information and places from where I can source my own information, both now, and during the coming season. (But it must be written in English)

Can you help?


There is a two sides in cyprus.
Turkish and Greek.
here is a some thing about Cyprus Turkish Football
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_Tur ... Federation
I will search more information for u....
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Re: Football In Cyprus

Postby halil » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:13 pm

halil wrote:
eduk wrote:Just wondering if anybody can help. I require as much information as possible about football in Cyprus.

Obviously I can access websites, but it seems they are all written in Greek, which is something of a problem to me as I'm afraid I can only speak English.

I require general information and places from where I can source my own information, both now, and during the coming season. (But it must be written in English)

Can you help?


There is a two sides in cyprus.
Turkish and Greek.
here is a some thing about Cyprus Turkish Football
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_Tur ... Federation
I will search more information for u....


History of Cyprus Turkish Football Federation
For the past 40 years, there had been two separate football federations in Cyprus, one for the Greek-Cypriots and another for the Turkish-Cypriots, borne out of the fact that Greek-Cypriots had segregated themselves from the Turkish-Cypriots and had imposed embargoes.
On April 3, 1955, only a couple of days after the Greek-Cypriot terrorist organisation EOKA started its bloody campaign to achieve the unification of Cyprus with Greece (ENOSIS).
The Turkish-Cypriot football team Çetinkaya was barred, without prior warning or explanation, from playing in a match with the Greek-Cypriot team Pezoporikos at Nicosia stadium.



`Nicosia Turkish Sports Club' football team, the champions for 1934-35
Thousands of disappointed Turkish-Cypriot spectators who were turned away from the gates recall the incident vividly. A week later, the Greek-Cypriot Sports Council (TESK) officially announced their racist decision to bar Turkish-Cypriot teams from playing at all on the existing sports fields. On October 30, 1955, the Cyprus Football Union (KOP) decided to expel all Turkish-Cypriot teams. As a result, the Turkish-Cypriots had no choice but to establish their own football federation.
This separation occurred while the island was under British rule. In 1960, the independent Republic of Cyprus was established with the equal and joint participation of the two founding communities -Turkish-Cypriots and Greek-Cypriots. Under the Constitution, two Communal Chambers were formed to run purely communal affairs independently. Religion, education, culture, and sports were specifically defined as communal affairs under Articles 86, 87, 89, 108 and 182 of the 1960 Constitution and were administered separately.

Currently, the embargoes imposed by the Greek-Cypriots against the Turkish-Cypriots, bar the Turkish-Cypriot youth, and sports clubs from international contact in all spheres, including sports.
In spite of the gross distortion of the facts and negative propaganda from the Greek-Cypriot side, the fact remains that there are currently two independent states in Cyprus, one in the North and one in the South. US President Bill Clinton states that "Cyprus has two owners". The UN Secretary- General states that "Cyprus is the homeland of both communities, who are political equals" and that the "Cyprus issue is not a majority-minority issue". Since the Greek-Cypriot administration of Southern Cyprus has no jurisdiction or authority over the territorial integrity and sovereignty of North Cyprus, the Greek-Cypriot "Cyprus Football Association" has no say or authority over any kind of football activity in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.



Turkish-Cypriot football club Çetinkaya, Cyprus League champions for 1952-53 season
In the past, FIFA has been well informed and was fair in its relations with Cyprus and its two communities. Sir Stanley Rous, FIFA president from 1960 to 1963, is respected for successfully intermediating between the presidents of the Turkish and Greek-Cypriot football federations. Although Sir Stanley finally managed to bring the two presidents to agreement, the Greek-Cypriot president later had to bow to the Greek-Cypriot political leadership and reject the proposals he had accepted.
A former FIFA general secretary Dr Kaser's decision in 1975 to grant general special permission to the Turkish-Cypriot Football Federation to play matches with teams from other national associations which are members of FIFA, with the exception of official competitions. Although that decision is still in effect, the Turkish-Cypriot Football Federation and football supporters are unable to comprehend the reasoning behind the recent change that current FIFA administration of Mr Blatter had brought to FIFA policy, a reasoning which only helped to perpetuate the sports embargo instigated by the South Cyprus.
The Turkish-Cypriot Football Federation continues to ask FIFA Secretary-General to reconsider his stand and support a fair and balanced attitude to the Turkish-Cypriot Football Federation.

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/people/ ... l/ktff.htm
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Postby kafenes » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:23 pm

I only know of 'Chetin Gaya'. :)
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Postby kafenes » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:24 pm

BTW shouldn't this be in another section?
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Postby halil » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:11 pm

kafenes wrote:BTW shouldn't this be in another section?


adminstrator must change it. i was posted it under the head lines ....Re: Football In Cyprus


eduk wrote:
Just wondering if anybody can help. I require as much information as possible about football in Cyprus.

Obviously I can access websites, but it seems they are all written in Greek, which is something of a problem to me as I'm afraid I can only speak English.

I require general information and places from where I can source my own information, both now, and during the coming season. (But it must be written in English)

Can you help?


There is a two sides in cyprus.
Turkish and Greek.
here is a some thing about Cyprus Turkish Football
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_Tur ... Federation
I will search more information for u....

you all u can see it.if they don't like what we are writing they can change it .where is the greek demogracy ?
hi my dear friends G_R, DT. Bananiot pls tell me who is right who is wrong ?
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Re: Football In Cyprus

Postby DT. » Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:02 am

halil wrote:
halil wrote:
eduk wrote:Just wondering if anybody can help. I require as much information as possible about football in Cyprus.

Obviously I can access websites, but it seems they are all written in Greek, which is something of a problem to me as I'm afraid I can only speak English.

I require general information and places from where I can source my own information, both now, and during the coming season. (But it must be written in English)

Can you help?


There is a two sides in cyprus.
Turkish and Greek.
here is a some thing about Cyprus Turkish Football
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_Tur ... Federation
I will search more information for u....


History of Cyprus Turkish Football Federation
For the past 40 years, there had been two separate football federations in Cyprus, one for the Greek-Cypriots and another for the Turkish-Cypriots, borne out of the fact that Greek-Cypriots had segregated themselves from the Turkish-Cypriots and had imposed embargoes.
On April 3, 1955, only a couple of days after the Greek-Cypriot terrorist organisation EOKA started its bloody campaign to achieve the unification of Cyprus with Greece (ENOSIS).
The Turkish-Cypriot football team Çetinkaya was barred, without prior warning or explanation, from playing in a match with the Greek-Cypriot team Pezoporikos at Nicosia stadium.



`Nicosia Turkish Sports Club' football team, the champions for 1934-35
Thousands of disappointed Turkish-Cypriot spectators who were turned away from the gates recall the incident vividly. A week later, the Greek-Cypriot Sports Council (TESK) officially announced their racist decision to bar Turkish-Cypriot teams from playing at all on the existing sports fields. On October 30, 1955, the Cyprus Football Union (KOP) decided to expel all Turkish-Cypriot teams. As a result, the Turkish-Cypriots had no choice but to establish their own football federation.
This separation occurred while the island was under British rule. In 1960, the independent Republic of Cyprus was established with the equal and joint participation of the two founding communities -Turkish-Cypriots and Greek-Cypriots. Under the Constitution, two Communal Chambers were formed to run purely communal affairs independently. Religion, education, culture, and sports were specifically defined as communal affairs under Articles 86, 87, 89, 108 and 182 of the 1960 Constitution and were administered separately.

Currently, the embargoes imposed by the Greek-Cypriots against the Turkish-Cypriots, bar the Turkish-Cypriot youth, and sports clubs from international contact in all spheres, including sports.
In spite of the gross distortion of the facts and negative propaganda from the Greek-Cypriot side, the fact remains that there are currently two independent states in Cyprus, one in the North and one in the South. US President Bill Clinton states that "Cyprus has two owners". The UN Secretary- General states that "Cyprus is the homeland of both communities, who are political equals" and that the "Cyprus issue is not a majority-minority issue". Since the Greek-Cypriot administration of Southern Cyprus has no jurisdiction or authority over the territorial integrity and sovereignty of North Cyprus, the Greek-Cypriot "Cyprus Football Association" has no say or authority over any kind of football activity in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.



Turkish-Cypriot football club Çetinkaya, Cyprus League champions for 1952-53 season
In the past, FIFA has been well informed and was fair in its relations with Cyprus and its two communities. Sir Stanley Rous, FIFA president from 1960 to 1963, is respected for successfully intermediating between the presidents of the Turkish and Greek-Cypriot football federations. Although Sir Stanley finally managed to bring the two presidents to agreement, the Greek-Cypriot president later had to bow to the Greek-Cypriot political leadership and reject the proposals he had accepted.
A former FIFA general secretary Dr Kaser's decision in 1975 to grant general special permission to the Turkish-Cypriot Football Federation to play matches with teams from other national associations which are members of FIFA, with the exception of official competitions. Although that decision is still in effect, the Turkish-Cypriot Football Federation and football supporters are unable to comprehend the reasoning behind the recent change that current FIFA administration of Mr Blatter had brought to FIFA policy, a reasoning which only helped to perpetuate the sports embargo instigated by the South Cyprus.
The Turkish-Cypriot Football Federation continues to ask FIFA Secretary-General to reconsider his stand and support a fair and balanced attitude to the Turkish-Cypriot Football Federation.

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/people/ ... l/ktff.htm


A few corrections
1) Halil, the game you are talking about was the Cup final in 1954. the game happened and ended with a 2-1 win of Cetin Caya over Pezoporikos.
2) Majority of GC's do not consider EOKA a terrorist organisation but heroes who fought against the ENglish for union with Greece. Eoka B on the other hand is universally considered as a bunch of twisted traitors and terrorists.
3) The TC teams decided on their own accord to hold their own league as far as i know.
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Postby observer » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:36 am

DT
2) Majority of GC's do not consider EOKA a terrorist organisation but heroes who fought against the ENglish for union with Greece.

Amazing DT, at last we agree. EOKA were fighting for union with Greece.
They were not fighting for independence, which is what the GC politicians tell us every year and (I am told) is in GC school text books.

I’m not making a nasty point. I’m just saying that if this view was more openly acknowledged by GCs, then in the light of the recent (in 1955) treatment of Turks in Greek lands, there might be a greater understanding of why this was opposed. And any advance in understanding has to be a welcome move.
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Postby DT. » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:42 am

observer wrote:DT
2) Majority of GC's do not consider EOKA a terrorist organisation but heroes who fought against the ENglish for union with Greece.

Amazing DT, at last we agree. EOKA were fighting for union with Greece.
They were not fighting for independence, which is what the GC politicians tell us every year and (I am told) is in GC school text books.

I’m not making a nasty point. I’m just saying that if this view was more openly acknowledged by GCs, then in the light of the recent (in 1955) treatment of Turks in Greek lands, there might be a greater understanding of why this was opposed. And any advance in understanding has to be a welcome move.

off course they were fighting for enosis...what moron said otherwise. And i assure you Observer thats not whats in the text books over here.
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Re: Football In Cyprus

Postby denizaksulu » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:40 am

A few corrections
1) Halil, the game you are talking about was the Cup final in 1954. the game happened and ended with a 2-1 win of Cetin Caya over Pezoporikos.
2) Majority of GC's do not consider [u][u][u]EOKA a terrorist organisation but heroes who fought against the ENglish for union with Greece[/u][/u][/u]. Eoka B on the other hand is universally considered as a bunch of twisted traitors and terrorists.
3) The TC teams decided on their own accord to hold their own league as far as i know.[/quote]

Is there a consensus of opinion amongst our fellow Cypriots as to the aims of EOKA? Was it for independence or union with Greece or both perhaps? Answers from real Cypriots please.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:02 pm

Is there a consensus of opinion amongst our fellow Cypriots as to the aims of EOKA? Was it for independence or union with Greece or both perhaps?


I have answered this question 100 times denizaksulu.

I will repeat it since thats what you want.

At the time of the original EOKA no island in the Mediterranean was independent states.

What EOKA fought for was liberation from colonialism, and at that time liberation was synonymous with union with Greece, just like it happened to all the other Hellenic territories that were liberated.

The option of independence did not exist, firstly because it was not offered, and secondly because it was clear that a small Cyprus would never be allowed to be truly independent anyways (as it proved to be the case later on).

So the answer to you question is that EOKA fought for liberation and union with Greece, not independence.

And fighting for union with Greece, although I understand why some did not want it, was nothing wrong or illegal. In fact the UN resolution about decolonization defines "free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government."
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

We fought against the British colonialist for liberation and our rights. The conflict with TCs started only when TCs collaborated with the British Colonialists (and later with Turkey) to violate our rights and gain on our loss.

Therefore I repeat I understand why TCs didn't want union of Cyprus with Greece, however it is the TC books and propaganda that present our fight for liberation as something wrong and criminal, while in fact it was just and perfectly legitimate. It is also the Turkish propaganda who is trying to blame exclusively the GCs for the conflict of that time, overlooking the fact that TCs were collaborating with the colonialist to fight against us. (and the fact that the first major incidents of intercommunal conflict of that time were started by TCs)
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