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[denizaksulu]

Get Real, have a drink on me, and put it on my tab. I will pay up the next time we meet. Give my regards to Halil. It proves my point that you should get to know who you are facing. I have learned so much from this forum and I would like to meet most of the members except I cannot afford to travel all over the world.
Regards
DA

[DT.]

Somebody will surely explain how "Liberation" is synonymous with "Union with Greece". I know the word "synonymous" is greek, but obviously it means something different in translation!!!!. Very Byzantine.
Regards
DA

Liberation i.e freedom of choice. The majority of the Cypriot community wanted to choose their political destiny and unite Cyprus with the Greek state, like the other culturally Greek islands, which freed themselves of colonial rule like Cyprus, did in previous years.

...and i want to know why any Greek Cypriot would want to meet Halil for a drink when he continues to post Turkish propaganda and lies like he did in this thread. How can you have dialogue with such a one track minded liar????

on the contrary, I much prefer meeting with people that have different beliefs/opinions/positions. You understand their position better and can explain yours as well with the 95% of you that doesn't show up on this forum. It is an alltogether more challenging situation. If you get on personally maybe next time Halil will think twice about posting 100% propaganda and only post his propaganda-lite
Same way that i'll steer clear from making blatant lies just to prove a point on this forum.....(not that i ever have )

WHat i would hate is going on one of those EDON (AKEL youth) excursions with their TC counterparts...singing songs and exchanging flowers all day...That would really get me.

[Get Real!]

Get Real, have a drink on me, and put it on my tab. I will pay up the next time we meet. Give my regards to Halil. It proves my point that you should get to know who you are facing. I have learned so much from this forum and I would like to meet most of the members except I cannot afford to travel all over the world.
Regards DA

Thank you sir, but where have you disappeared to lately?

[halil]

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...and i want to know why any Greek Cypriot would want to meet Halil for a drink when he continues to post Turkish propaganda and lies like he did in this thread. How can you have dialogue with such a one track minded liar????[/quote]

Tell me where is the propaganda on the football topic.
Am i wrong ? there are two sides in Cyprus.I am not the liar like you are ? u are miss directing the world. U are narrow minded . u see the things that the way u wanted to see it. but this is not correct.
dialogue is very important between people.to understand each other people are talking and discussing in civilised manner at the end they will end up with something.
u must be rascist ...... don't forget that Turkish Cypriots were equal partner of the ROC. not minority......
if you are thinking it will go like that forever... u are making big mistake......

[humanist]

My understanding is that EOKA was formed to fght against the British colonisation of Cyprus and to achieve independence which it did ....very briefly.

EOKA "B" was organised by some extremist, racist traitors to overthrow the government of the time and to form ENOSIS (union) with Greece. NOT ALL Greek speaking Cypriots were party to that nor did they agree with the notion of union with Greece.

[humanist]

hallil, perhaps I can ad something to your coments, yes you are right immdediately after indpendece was achieved Turkish speaking Cypriots were equal partners within the RoC State, However I think that they were a minority as minority will suggest a numerical number less than the majority. This is important to acknoledge in that in any plan for unification we need to ensure that whilst all citizens of Cyprus have equal partnership, and representation in all domains of life there are minority groups whose needs ought to be proptected though legislation as to ensure they are not discriminated against by belonging to a minority group, ethnic, sexual or otherwise.

[denizaksulu]

Hello Get Real, I thought I mentioned earlier my personal Lap Top has gone off sick in sympathy with Lenas'. It still in Dell Hospital awaiting treatment. Therefore I am without ties to the forum over the weekend. Glad that Lena is fixed.
Regards
DA

[bigOz]

My understanding is that EOKA was formed to fight against the British colonisation of Cyprus and to achieve independence which it did ....very briefly.

EOKA "B" was organised by some extremist, racist traitors to overthrow the government of the time and to form ENOSIS (union) with Greece. NOT ALL Greek speaking Cypriots were party to that nor did they agree with the notion of union with Greece.

EOKA was originally formed with ENOSIS as it main principle and aim (after throwing the British out). It was supposed to expire with the formation of the new RoC. EOKA-B was reincarnated soon after the communal attacks on TCs during 1963-64, and had the same principles, with the added flavour of help from Greek Junta.
see: http://www.photius.com/countries/cyprus ... ~7677.html

Because Makarios had decided enosis was no longer possible in the short term, more adamant pro-enosis Cypriot groups and anticommunist Greek officers, both of which infiltrated the National Guard during the late 1960s and early 1970s, would subvert his government increasingly after 1967 and finally overthrow him in 1974.

We all agree that majority of GCs at the time were against ENOSIS, and that is why EOKA-B started off with attacking Makarios and his supporters before moving on to TCs.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

We all agree that majority of GCs at the time were against ENOSIS, and that is why EOKA-B started off with attacking Makarios and his supporters before moving on to TCs.

They moved onto Turkish Cypriots after the Turkish military invasion began and the Turkish army and Turkish Cypriot paramilitaries attacked the Greek Cypriots. Two wrongs dont make a right but dont try and manipulate history because it was the Turks who attacked the Greeks first in that period of time.

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Tell me where is the propaganda on the football topic.
Am i wrong ? there are two sides in Cyprus.I am not the liar like you are ? u are miss directing the world. U are narrow minded . u see the things that the way u wanted to see it. but this is not correct.
dialogue is very important between people.to understand each other people are talking and discussing in civilised manner at the end they will end up with something.
u must be rascist ...... don't forget that Turkish Cypriots were equal partner of the ROC. not minority......
if you are thinking it will go like that forever... u are making big mistake......

Are you serious!? Are you asking me where there is Turkish propaganda in this football topic. Check below, EVERYTHING ive highlighted in bold is propaganda and has no credibility beneath it. How can Greek Cypriots meet this person, have a drink with him and sit back and be ok with the lies he spreads in order to take our human rights away???? He talks about two states in Cyprus and that the poor Turkish Cypriots dont have there own football federation. Well let me tell you something, Greek Cypriots dont have their own football federation and almost half of them have are kept away from there ancestrol homes by force! YOU decide which one of those facts is a crime against human rights!!!!

History of Cyprus Turkish Football Federation
For the past 40 years, there had been two separate football federations in Cyprus, one for the Greek-Cypriots and another for the Turkish-Cypriots, borne out of the fact that Greek-Cypriots had segregated themselves from the Turkish-Cypriots and had imposed embargoes.
On April 3, 1955, only a couple of days after the Greek-Cypriot terrorist organisation EOKA started its bloody campaign to achieve the unification of Cyprus with Greece (ENOSIS).
The Turkish-Cypriot football team Çetinkaya was barred, without prior warning or explanation, from playing in a match with the Greek-Cypriot team Pezoporikos at Nicosia stadium.



`Nicosia Turkish Sports Club' football team, the champions for 1934-35
Thousands of disappointed Turkish-Cypriot spectators who were turned away from the gates recall the incident vividly. A week later, the Greek-Cypriot Sports Council (TESK) officially announced their racist decision to bar Turkish-Cypriot teams from playing at all on the existing sports fields. On October 30, 1955, the Cyprus Football Union (KOP) decided to expel all Turkish-Cypriot teams. As a result, the Turkish-Cypriots had no choice but to establish their own football federation.
This separation occurred while the island was under British rule. In 1960, the independent Republic of Cyprus was established with the equal and joint participation of the two founding communities -Turkish-Cypriots and Greek-Cypriots. Under the Constitution, two Communal Chambers were formed to run purely communal affairs independently. Religion, education, culture, and sports were specifically defined as communal affairs under Articles 86, 87, 89, 108 and 182 of the 1960 Constitution and were administered separately.

Currently, the embargoes imposed by the Greek-Cypriots against the Turkish-Cypriots, bar the Turkish-Cypriot youth, and sports clubs from international contact in all spheres, including sports.
In spite of the gross distortion of the facts and negative propaganda from the Greek-Cypriot side, the fact remains that there are currently two independent states in Cyprus, one in the North and one in the South. US President Bill Clinton states that "Cyprus has two owners". The UN Secretary- General states that "Cyprus is the homeland of both communities, who are political equals" and that the "Cyprus issue is not a majority-minority issue". Since the Greek-Cypriot administration of Southern Cyprus has no jurisdiction or authority over the territorial integrity and sovereignty of North Cyprus, the Greek-Cypriot "Cyprus Football Association" has no say or authority over any kind of football activity in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.



Turkish-Cypriot football club Çetinkaya, Cyprus League champions for 1952-53 season
In the past, FIFA has been well informed and was fair in its relations with Cyprus and its two communities. Sir Stanley Rous, FIFA president from 1960 to 1963, is respected for successfully intermediating between the presidents of the Turkish and Greek-Cypriot football federations. Although Sir Stanley finally managed to bring the two presidents to agreement, the Greek-Cypriot president later had to bow to the Greek-Cypriot political leadership and reject the proposals he had accepted.
A former FIFA general secretary Dr Kaser's decision in 1975 to grant general special permission to the Turkish-Cypriot Football Federation to play matches with teams from other national associations which are members of FIFA, with the exception of official competitions. Although that decision is still in effect, the Turkish-Cypriot Football Federation and football supporters are unable to comprehend the reasoning behind the recent change that current FIFA administration of Mr Blatter had brought to FIFA policy, a reasoning which only helped to perpetuate the sports embargo instigated by the South Cyprus.
The Turkish-Cypriot Football Federation continues to ask FIFA Secretary-General to reconsider his stand and support a fair and balanced attitude to the Turkish-Cypriot Football Federation.

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