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Postby SN » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:08 am

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SN wrote: Alexi....dont get me wrong or something....But there is something wrong with you.Well off-course Greece doesnt recognize any Turkish or Pomak or Roma minority.They recognize ONE big religious minority....Which as you said is called MUSLIM MINORITY....

Greece obligation to recognize the minority came from the Lausange Treaty,which was Greece's ''save face'' to ethnically cleanse Macedonia and Thrace with the Greek population that came from Turkey(Lausange Treaty 1923) and Bulgaria(Neuilly Treaty1920).

With the influx of Greeks prosfiges in Macedonia and Thrace and the rest of Greece,Greece managed to change the demographics of Macedonia in favour of the Greek element.That helped Greece stabilize its dominance over Macedonia,that was under serious threat by the Slavophones after the Bucharest Treaty in 1913(the treaty that gave Macedonia to Greece)...The KKE party in Greece gained support from the Slavophone population and Greece was seriously threatened.The Slavophones had one goal!To dismember Greece and to carve out a new state called Macedonia in Greece's current borders...for 10 years the situation was shaky!!!! After the populations excahnges with Turkey and Bulgaria Greece changed the demographics and pushed the Slavic element out of Greece.For the coming years those who managed to survive in Greece started supporting KKE and then the Americans as always didnt want Greece to be under the Communism...So the Civil war was an excellent excuse to elliminate any non-Greek element such as the Slavophones and the Tsam Albanians from Greece...

You see Alexis,maybe you wanna chech your history again...Greece has been the Hitler of Balkans!!!!!!!!!Even Serbia didnt go to those extremes....

Because of the Civil War we still have Thessaloniki and Macedonia in our borders.If the commies would have won,i doubt it that Macedonia would be a part of Greece.Bulgaria would have annexed it in no time....

Do your homework mate.Greece stinks when it comes to minorities issues and human rights!!!!!!!


Please try to stick to the subject you yourself brought forward. Why did you not comment on what I wrote? Do the Turks of Greece lead a better life than the Turks of Turkey or not? Is the Turkish minority increasing in numbers while the Greek minority of Istanbul is long EXTERMINATED by Turkey or not? Is Greece the only country of SE Europe that hosts thousands of immigrants or not?

We can discuss the Balkan wars in another thread, you are more than welcome to open one if you want.

That comment of yours about Greece being the Hitler of the Balkans was quite funny, considering that it was only Greece and Yugoslavia that opposed the axis during WWII in the region, unlike Turkey, Bulgaria and Albania who all saw a chance of grabbing some land from Greece...


Also, please don't try to "teach" me history by posting irrelevant stuff that you read somewhere just to show you know something... If you had any true knowledge of history you would be able to debate on the same subject rather than switch from the minorities of Greece to the balcan wars and Macedonia only to show that you are "well read"




Come on Alexis give me a break mate.First you ridiculed your self saying that i am not Greek,which surely is only a figment of your imagination and secondly you believe that i am trying to teach you something...


I am describing Greece's policy on ethnic cleansing and Imperialism.Greece wants land,land,land.Greece's policy on Cyprus is a true depiction of how Hellenism is detrimental to Cyprus.The issues are interlinked since i provided a link between Greece's current policies on the Balkans and her Imperialism which off course extends to Cyprus.

Regarding the Axis we know that,even my 2 year old son knows that as well....We opposed the Germans,Bulgarians,Italians and Albanians bsc we didnt wanna loose land...not bsc we are were not a fascist a xenophobic country.....
What i said is the Greece is a Hitler when it comes to humans rights and minorities.That is were Greece is a true Hitler.Greece only formed a coallition with Serbia in the Balkan wars to annex Macedonia.EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.That is a true sign of collonialism and Imperialism since the Greek population in Macedonia prior 1913 was merely a minority....


Regarding your comment on about ''well-read'' i ll take that as a compliment,since you obviously sink in the Greek propaganda that the modern Greek state propagates.Xipna file mou,giati i Ellada ehei ginei i pio anipofori kai xenofoviki xwra stin Eurwpi.Enough is enough!!!!!!!!
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Postby alexISS » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:09 am

SN wrote:
Alexi....dont get me wrong or something....But there is something wrong with you.Well off-course Greece doesnt recognize any Turkish or Pomak or Roma minority.They recognize ONE big religious minority....Which as you said is called MUSLIM MINORITY....


To answer especially to this demonstration of ignorance, here are some quotes from official documents of the Greek government:
Την μειονότητα απαρτίζουν τρείς εθνοτικές ομάδες : 50 % είναι τουρκικής καταγωγής, 35% Πομάκοι και 15% Αθίγγανοι. Κάθε μία από τις ομάδες αυτές διατηρεί την δική της γλώσσα και τις παραδόσεις της και για τον λόγο αυτό οι συντάκτες της Συνθήκης της Λωζάννης προσδιόρισαν τη μειονότητα ως θρησκευτική.

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http://www.hri.org/MFA/foreign/musmingr.htm

Στη Συνθήκη της Λωζάννης αναφέρεται η ύπαρξη μουσουλμανικής μειονότητας στην Ελλάδα. Τα μέλη της είναι ελεύθερα να δηλώσουν την εθνοτική τους καταγωγή (τουρκική, πομακική ή αθιγγανική), να μιλούν τις γλώσσες τους, να ασκούν τα θρησκευτικά τους καθήκοντα και να τηρούν τα έθιμα και τις παραδόσεις τους. Αυτό που δεν είναι αποδεκτό από το ελληνικό κράτος είναι η προσπάθεια καθιέρωσης μιας μοναδικής εθνοτικής ταυτότητας για ολόκληρη την μουσουλμανική μειονότητα της Θράκης, με σκοπό να ενταχθούν Πομάκοι και Αθίγγανοι σε μια πλασματική τουρκική ταυτότητα

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Postby alexISS » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:11 am

Still no answer from you on my questions... here they are again:
Do the Turks of Greece lead a better life than the Turks of Turkey or not? Is the Turkish minority increasing in numbers while the Greek minority of Istanbul is long EXTERMINATED by Turkey or not? Is Greece the only country of SE Europe that hosts thousands of immigrants or not?
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Postby SN » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:15 am

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Alexi....dont get me wrong or something....But there is something wrong with you.Well off-course Greece doesnt recognize any Turkish or Pomak or Roma minority.They recognize ONE big religious minority....Which as you said is called MUSLIM MINORITY....


To answer especially to this demonstration of ignorance, here are some quotes from official documents of the Greek government:
Την μειονότητα απαρτίζουν τρείς εθνοτικές ομάδες : 50 % είναι τουρκικής καταγωγής, 35% Πομάκοι και 15% Αθίγγανοι. Κάθε μία από τις ομάδες αυτές διατηρεί την δική της γλώσσα και τις παραδόσεις της και για τον λόγο αυτό οι συντάκτες της Συνθήκης της Λωζάννης προσδιόρισαν τη μειονότητα ως θρησκευτική.

source:
http://www.hri.org/MFA/foreign/musmingr.htm

Στη Συνθήκη της Λωζάννης αναφέρεται η ύπαρξη μουσουλμανικής μειονότητας στην Ελλάδα. Τα μέλη της είναι ελεύθερα να δηλώσουν την εθνοτική τους καταγωγή (τουρκική, πομακική ή αθιγγανική), να μιλούν τις γλώσσες τους, να ασκούν τα θρησκευτικά τους καθήκοντα και να τηρούν τα έθιμα και τις παραδόσεις τους. Αυτό που δεν είναι αποδεκτό από το ελληνικό κράτος είναι η προσπάθεια καθιέρωσης μιας μοναδικής εθνοτικής ταυτότητας για ολόκληρη την μουσουλμανική μειονότητα της Θράκης, με σκοπό να ενταχθούν Πομάκοι και Αθίγγανοι σε μια πλασματική τουρκική ταυτότητα

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http://www.ypex.gov.gr/www.mfa.gr/el-GR ... NORITY.htm




hahhaa.First of all the only ignorant is your self i presume....Nice example of the quotes,which only shows what i stated specially the second part.Why dont you translate it for us???

The MUSLIM MINORITY off-course!!!!!!!! Not an ethnic minority,bsc Greece cant afford an ethnic one.So we name them ALL ,ONE big religious minority.

The Greek propaganda sto megaleio tis.Eleos...
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Postby alexISS » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:18 am

The minority comprises of three national groups: 50% is turkish, 35% poma and 15% roma


I think it can't be any clearer, Greece of course recognize its ethnic minorities, among them the Turkish one. It's the SUM of those minorities that are characterized as "muslim" by the Lauzanne treaty. Happy now?

Now you answer the questions I asked you twice
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Postby alexISS » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:21 am

SN wrote:So we name them ALL ,ONE big religious minority.

The Greek propaganda sto megaleio tis.Eleos...


Do you even know what the word "propaganda" means?!? :roll:
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Postby SN » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:23 am

alexISS wrote:Still no answer from you on my questions... here they are again:
Do the Turks of Greece lead a better life than the Turks of Turkey or not? Is the Turkish minority increasing in numbers while the Greek minority of Istanbul is long EXTERMINATED by Turkey or not? Is Greece the only country of SE Europe that hosts thousands of immigrants or not?



I have already answered.The Turks in Greece do not exist officially.Gosh!!!!Shall i answer in Greek to get it???
The minority is a religious one.Period.The rest is propaganda they teach us in school....Greece cant afford an ethnic minority.MACEDONIA,TURKEY AND ALBANIA HAVE TERITOREAL CLAIMS AGAINST GREECE.WE CANT AFFORD IT.PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!

The Greek minority in Turkey has suffered and is still suffering.A small number is still existant.A negligable.Dont twist my words bsc you run out of arguments.I never said Turkey is any better i said that is better than Greece in the minority issue IN GENERAL. I.E. GREECE DOESNT RECOGNISE NOT EVEN ONE ETHNIC MINORITY!!!!!!!!!
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Postby alexISS » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:31 am

SN wrote: I have already answered.The Turks in Greece do not exist officially.Gosh!!!!Shall i answer in Greek to get it???

Are you THAT stubborn? Ok then, do the muslims of Greece lead a better life than the Turks of Turkey or not?

SN wrote: The minority is a religious one.Period.

Damn boy, I even quoted the Greek foreign ministry's official recognition of the ethnic minorities in Greece... Why can't you be a gentleman and just accept you were WRONG when you said that Greece does not recognise ethnic minorities?

SN wrote:The rest is propaganda they teach us in school....Greece cant afford an ethnic minority.MACEDONIA,TURKEY AND ALBANIA HAVE TERITOREAL CLAIMS AGAINST GREECE.WE CANT AFFORD IT.PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!

Blah blah blah... I've proven you wrong, PERIOD

SN wrote:The Greek minority in Turkey has suffered and is still suffering.A small number is still existant.A negligable.Dont twist my words bsc you run out of arguments.I never said Turkey is any better i said that is better than Greece in the minority issue IN GENERAL. I.E. GREECE DOESNT RECOGNISE NOT EVEN ONE ETHNIC MINORITY!!!!!!!!!

So Turkey, who has ELIMINATED all it's recognised minorities while she DOES NOT recognise the KURDIC minority (20% of her population) has a better record than Greece, whose minorities are prospering and INCREASING in size? What a joke, really...
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Postby SN » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:31 am

Στη Συνθήκη της Λωζάννης αναφέρεται η ύπαρξη μουσουλμανικής μειονότητας στην Ελλάδα. Τα μέλη της είναι ελεύθερα να δηλώσουν την εθνοτική τους καταγωγή (τουρκική, πομακική ή αθιγγανική), να μιλούν τις γλώσσες τους, να ασκούν τα θρησκευτικά τους καθήκοντα και να τηρούν τα έθιμα και τις παραδόσεις τους. Αυτό που δεν είναι αποδεκτό από το ελληνικό κράτος είναι η προσπάθεια καθιέρωσης μιας μοναδικής εθνοτικής ταυτότητας για ολόκληρη την μουσουλμανική μειονότητα της Θράκης, με σκοπό να ενταχθούν Πομάκοι και Αθίγγανοι σε μια πλασματική τουρκική ταυτότητα


In the Lausaugne Treaty there is a provision on the existance of a muslim minority in Greece.The members of the minorities are free to claim turkish,pomak or roma national background,speak their languages and execute their religious rights and keap alive their customs and traditions.WHAT IS NOT ACCEPTED BY GREECE IS THE EFFORT TO ESTABLISH ONE ETHNIC MINORITY FOR ALL THE MUSLIM MINORITY OF THRACE IN ORDER THE POMAKS AND THE ROMA TO PARTICIPATE IN A FABRICATED TURKISH IDENTITY.


So you see the b*llshit of it all?The Turks are a distict national group which should not be confused with the Pomaks and Roma.They should be allowed to be an ETHNIC and not a religious minority.The pomaks and roma can choose.But the TURKS are ETHNIC TURKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!As simple as that...
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Postby SN » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:34 am

alexISS wrote:
SN wrote: I have already answered.The Turks in Greece do not exist officially.Gosh!!!!Shall i answer in Greek to get it???

Are you THAT stubborn? Ok then, do the muslims of Greece lead a better life than the Turks of Turkey or not?

SN wrote: The minority is a religious one.Period.

Damn boy, I even quoted the Greek foreign ministry's official recognition of the ethnic minorities in Greece... Why can't you be a gentleman and just accept you were WRONG when you said that Greece does not recognise ethnic minorities?

SN wrote:The rest is propaganda they teach us in school....Greece cant afford an ethnic minority.MACEDONIA,TURKEY AND ALBANIA HAVE TERITOREAL CLAIMS AGAINST GREECE.WE CANT AFFORD IT.PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!

Blah blah blah... I've proven you wrong, PERIOD

SN wrote:The Greek minority in Turkey has suffered and is still suffering.A small number is still existant.A negligable.Dont twist my words bsc you run out of arguments.I never said Turkey is any better i said that is better than Greece in the minority issue IN GENERAL. I.E. GREECE DOESNT RECOGNISE NOT EVEN ONE ETHNIC MINORITY!!!!!!!!!

So Turkey, who has ELIMINATED all it's recognised minorities while she DOES NOT recognise the KURDIC minority (20% of her population) has a better record than Greece, whose minorities are prospering and INCREASING in size? What a joke, really...


Agori mou.....Give me a break Greece DOESNT RECOGNIZE AN ETHNIC MINORITY YOU ARE WRONG...

PLEASE SEE WHAT BAKOGIANNI SAID ABOUT THE MINORITIES IN GREECE IN THE PAST.

OFF COURSE YOU ARE WRONG.I PROOVED YOU WRONG BY TRANSLATING IT THE QUOTE WHICH ONLY PROOVES ME RIGHT!!!!
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