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[SN]

Answer please how come Greece has no ethnic minorities?How come the only country in the Balkans not having an ethnic minority is Greece???Are we an ethnically purified nation???That sounds like Hitler you know....So i say....Prwta des ta xalia mas wste na eheis to dikaiwma na krineis tin Tourkia...Ipotithetai eimaste eti fotos pio mprosta apo tin Tourkia...Pou to vlepeis auto???Giati egw akoma de to vlepw.....

Are you for real? Greece officially recognizes a 100,000 strong Turkish minority, a 50,000 Pomak minority and a 50,000 Roma minority in Thrace. And before you rush to answer that Greece considers the Turkish minority as muslim, know that it's the SUM of the above three minorities that Greece calls "muslim", because Turkey systematically tries to push for a "turkification" of the whole muslim minority. And while the Turkish minority prospers in Thrace (the Turks of Greece are richer than their countrymen in Turkey), what's happening to the 200,000 Greek minority in Istanbul? Oh right, they were DEPORTED, I forgot that... Give me a break, please!

Alexi....dont get me wrong or something....But there is something wrong with you.Well off-course Greece doesnt recognize any Turkish or Pomak or Roma minority.They recognize ONE big religious minority....Which as you said is called MUSLIM MINORITY....

Greece obligation to recognize the minority came from the Lausange Treaty,which was Greece's ''save face'' to ethnically cleanse Macedonia and Thrace with the Greek population that came from Turkey(Lausange Treaty 1923) and Bulgaria(Neuilly Treaty1920).

With the influx of Greeks prosfiges in Macedonia and Thrace and the rest of Greece,Greece managed to change the demographics of Macedonia in favour of the Greek element.That helped Greece stabilize its dominance over Macedonia,that was under serious threat by the Slavophones after the Bucharest Treaty in 1913(the treaty that gave Macedonia to Greece)...The KKE party in Greece gained support from the Slavophone population and Greece was seriously threatened.The Slavophones had one goal!To dismember Greece and to carve out a new state called Macedonia in Greece's current borders...for 10 years the situation was shaky!!!! After the populations excahnges with Turkey and Bulgaria Greece changed the demographics and pushed the Slavic element out of Greece.For the coming years those who managed to survive in Greece started supporting KKE and then the Americans as always didnt want Greece to be under the Communism...So the Civil war was an excellent excuse to elliminate any non-Greek element such as the Slavophones and the Tsam Albanians from Greece...

You see Alexis,maybe you wanna chech your history again...Greece has been the Hitler of Balkans!!!!!!!!!Even Serbia didnt go to those extremes....

Because of the Civil War we still have Thessaloniki and Macedonia in our borders.If the commies would have won,i doubt it that Macedonia would be a part of Greece.Bulgaria would have annexed it in no time....

Do your homework mate.Greece stinks when it comes to minorities issues and human rights!!!!!!!

[Get Real!]

What my point is, is that by the time Greek Cypriots started shouting ''ENOSIS'' they were NOT ''just'' Greeks. They were CYPRIOTS...more over they were the INDIGENOUS CYPRIOTS with 3000 years of history on this island. They may of been similar to mainland Greeks when they first arrived but by 1960s they were UNIQUE to CYPRUS with their own motherland that they'd been living in for CENTURIES!!

When Greece set her eyes on Cyprus she INFECTED these indigenous Cypriots and turned them against their countries best interests. ENOSIS had NOTHING to do with Cypriots but EVERYTHING to do with GREECE, it wasnt in the name of Cypriots it was in the name of GREEKS who may I add had NOTHING to do with this countries UNIQUE culture which EVERY majority, minority, animal, plant and tree living in Cyprus contributed to! Cyprus was CYPRIOT! People lived the Cypriot lifestyle not the Greek one! These people were brainwashed into serving Greeces interests!!!!

Since GCs started shouting ENOSIS they've forgotten about the true INDIGENOUS CYPRIOTS they once were and have turned more Greek than Cypriot and they are completely OBLIVIOUS to this FACT...With a 3000 year history on this island why they need statues of the man who wrote Greeces anthem is totally beyond me. Isnt that an INSULT to themselves more than anything? They diss our statues of Atatürk because Atatürk had nothing to do with Cyprus yet put up statues of this man as if he had anything to do with Cyprus himself?!?!? Is there something I dont get??

Some people I wont mention any names talk as though they are just Greeks born in Cyprus when in reality they WERE a lot more than that, they WERE their own people! Again at the time of Zeus or the 12 Gods they were proper Greeks...by the time they were TRICKED into wanting ENOSIS they were more than just Greeks. Plus remember that GCs were the indigenous Cypriots who were ASSIMILATED by Greeks...so no matter how much you get diluted they were (deep down) what they were to begin with...THE INDIGENOUS CYPRIOTS who were on this island from the get go!

I might sound naive but I KNOW theres truth in what I'm saying because I see the old GCs in my own people and I KNOW they didnt just get it from no where because we are completely different to mainland Turks and completely different to GCs we have today. Some GC members have even said that ''some TCs are more Cypriot than us''...and ITS TRUE...how can that be unless something went terribly wrong?? Something SERIOUSLY isnt right and some GCs should really think about it. Since ENOSIS my people do not want to live with the GCs who they DID get along perfectly fine with no matter what anyone says. Our words are in their vocabulary as theirs is in ours...our foods are on their menus as theirs is on ours...the list goes ON AND ON AND ON...we were NOT enemies untill Greece tried to claim Cyprus!!!! We all had a part in making Cyprus what it was till Greece came, propagandized and brainwashed the GCs into serving her own interests and then left them out in the cold when it didnt work out BECAUSE THEY DID IT FOR THEMSELVES AND NOT CYPRUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I must go to bed now because Im going into the army in the morning (:? ), I need a break from here anyways...Goodnight all and speak to you soon.

By George T_C you've got it!

Who would've imagined that a young lad arriving in Cyprus for a holiday from the UK would get so blessed by the Kyrenia breeze that he would unravel the century old Cyprus problem! Ok, let's wrap it all up now...

The Greek Cypriots are the remnants of the Mycenaean Greeks so the Turkish Cypriots must be the indigenous Cypriots because they are different to Turks and different to the Greek Cypriot Mycenaeans!

There you go people problem solved! Now could everyone minus the TC's leave Cyprus please?

[T_C]

In an ORDERLY fashion PLEASE!

Where did I say that TCs were the indigenous Cypriots anyways? I said the GCS were the indigenous Cypriots

Since ENOSIS GCs have acted more Greek than Cypriot, thats all I meant

[Get Real!]

In an ORDERLY fashion PLEASE!

Where did I say that TCs were the indigenous Cypriots anyways? I said the GCS were the indigenous Cypriots

Since ENOSIS GCs have acted more Greek than Cypriot, thats all I meant

May we take our belongings sir?

[alexISS]

Alexis has an interesting perspective...

He feels that a Greek-speaking Cypriot that wants nothing to do with Greece is Greek but a Greek person angry at his country is not!

Alexis, I dedicate this poem to you...

Roses are blue, violets are white, the sun is a square and so are you!

Is this the first of the two posts of yours that will finish me off, oh great debater?

A Greek-speaking Cypriot that feels he is not Greek is, of course, not Greek. Try to quote me saying otherwise.

To return the favor, here's a poem for you:

Roses are red,
violets are blue,
I'm a louzy poet
and so are you

[T_C]

Goodnight GR!

[SN]

SN! I have been trying to say something similar to what you have said in your previous posts but I could never find the right words and everytime I tried I (as usuall) said it in the wrong way and people misunderstood my point. I don't know about Greece or her human rights issues.

What my point is, is that by the time Greek Cypriots started shouting ''ENOSIS'' they were NOT ''just'' Greeks. They were CYPRIOTS...more over they were the INDIGENOUS CYPRIOTS with 3000 years of history on this island. They may of been similar to mainland Greeks when they first arrived but by 1960s they were UNIQUE to CYPRUS with their own motherland that they'd been living in for CENTURIES!!

When Greece set her eyes on Cyprus she INFECTED these indigenous Cypriots and turned them against their countries best interests. ENOSIS had NOTHING to do with Cypriots but EVERYTHING to do with GREECE, it wasnt in the name of Cypriots it was in the name of GREEKS who may I add had NOTHING to do with this countries UNIQUE culture which EVERY majority, minority, animal, plant and tree living in Cyprus contributed to! Cyprus was CYPRIOT! People lived the Cypriot lifestyle not the Greek one! These people were brainwashed into serving Greeces interests!!!!

Since GCs started shouting ENOSIS they've forgotten about the true INDIGENOUS CYPRIOTS they once were and have turned more Greek than Cypriot and they are completely OBLIVIOUS to this FACT...With a 3000 year history on this island why they need statues of the man who wrote Greeces anthem is totally beyond me. Isnt that an INSULT to themselves more than anything? They diss our statues of Atatürk because Atatürk had nothing to do with Cyprus yet put up statues of this man as if he had anything to do with Cyprus himself?!?!? Is there something I dont get??

Some people I wont mention any names talk as though they are just Greeks born in Cyprus when in reality they WERE a lot more than that, they WERE their own people! Again at the time of Zeus or the 12 Gods they were proper Greeks...by the time they were TRICKED into wanting ENOSIS they were more than just Greeks. Plus remember that GCs were the indigenous Cypriots who were ASSIMILATED by Greeks...so no matter how much you get diluted they were (deep down) what they were to begin with...THE INDIGENOUS CYPRIOTS who were on this island from the get go!

I might sound naive but I KNOW theres truth in what I'm saying because I see the old GCs in my own people and I KNOW they didnt just get it from no where because we are completely different to mainland Turks and completely different to GCs we have today. Some GC members have even said that ''some TCs are more Cypriot than us''...and ITS TRUE...how can that be unless something went terribly wrong?? Something SERIOUSLY isnt right and some GCs should really think about it. Since ENOSIS my people do not want to live with the GCs who they DID get along perfectly fine with no matter what anyone says. Our words are in their vocabulary as theirs is in ours...our foods are on their menus as theirs is on ours...the list goes ON AND ON AND ON...we were NOT enemies untill Greece tried to claim Cyprus!!!! We all had a part in making Cyprus what it was till Greece came, propagandized and brainwashed the GCs into serving her own interests and then left them out in the cold when it didnt work out BECAUSE THEY DID IT FOR THEMSELVES AND NOT CYPRUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I must go to bed now because Im going into the army in the morning (:? ), I need a break from here anyways...Goodnight all and speak to you soon.

Bravo Turkish Cypriot.I salute you for your insight.Bravo!!!!!!

I wish the Greeks specially from mainland Greece would stop being so blind about Greece's fasistic policies.

Greece only wants to control Cyprus for her interest and not for the interest of Cypriots!!!!!!!

Do our Greek members see how a Turkish Cypriot is enlightened by what Greece is all about????Its time for the Greek Cypriots to wake up as well.
I hope the majority of the TC believe what you believe,bsc if they do believe the same then piece once and for good in Cyprus is close...You only have the difficult task to persuade the GC to turn their backs to Greece and you are done!!!!!!!!!!

Bravo once again!!!!!!!!

[Get Real!]

:lol:

Goodnight GR!

Goodnight mate, don't do anything I wouldn't do tomorrow...

...like throwing unblessed hand Grenades around!

[alexISS]

Alexi....dont get me wrong or something....But there is something wrong with you.Well off-course Greece doesnt recognize any Turkish or Pomak or Roma minority.They recognize ONE big religious minority....Which as you said is called MUSLIM MINORITY....

Greece obligation to recognize the minority came from the Lausange Treaty,which was Greece's ''save face'' to ethnically cleanse Macedonia and Thrace with the Greek population that came from Turkey(Lausange Treaty 1923) and Bulgaria(Neuilly Treaty1920).

With the influx of Greeks prosfiges in Macedonia and Thrace and the rest of Greece,Greece managed to change the demographics of Macedonia in favour of the Greek element.That helped Greece stabilize its dominance over Macedonia,that was under serious threat by the Slavophones after the Bucharest Treaty in 1913(the treaty that gave Macedonia to Greece)...The KKE party in Greece gained support from the Slavophone population and Greece was seriously threatened.The Slavophones had one goal!To dismember Greece and to carve out a new state called Macedonia in Greece's current borders...for 10 years the situation was shaky!!!! After the populations excahnges with Turkey and Bulgaria Greece changed the demographics and pushed the Slavic element out of Greece.For the coming years those who managed to survive in Greece started supporting KKE and then the Americans as always didnt want Greece to be under the Communism...So the Civil war was an excellent excuse to elliminate any non-Greek element such as the Slavophones and the Tsam Albanians from Greece...

You see Alexis,maybe you wanna chech your history again...Greece has been the Hitler of Balkans!!!!!!!!!Even Serbia didnt go to those extremes....

Because of the Civil War we still have Thessaloniki and Macedonia in our borders.If the commies would have won,i doubt it that Macedonia would be a part of Greece.Bulgaria would have annexed it in no time....

Do your homework mate.Greece stinks when it comes to minorities issues and human rights!!!!!!!

Please try to stick to the subject you yourself brought forward. Why did you not comment on what I wrote? Do the Turks of Greece lead a better life than the Turks of Turkey or not? Is the Turkish minority increasing in numbers while the Greek minority of Istanbul is long EXTERMINATED by Turkey or not? Is Greece the only country of SE Europe that hosts thousands of immigrants or not?

We can discuss the Balkan wars in another thread, you are more than welcome to open one if you want.

That comment of yours about Greece being the Hitler of the Balkans was quite funny, considering that it was only Greece and Yugoslavia that opposed the axis during WWII in the region, unlike Turkey, Bulgaria and Albania who all saw a chance of grabbing some land from Greece...


Also, please don't try to "teach" me history by posting irrelevant stuff that you read somewhere just to show you know something... If you had any true knowledge of history you would be able to debate on the same subject rather than switch from the minorities of Greece to the balcan wars and Macedonia only to show that you are "well read"

[T_C]

HADE RE!

Not to worry I will call your finest Beatitude if it needs be .... ok Im going for real now...dont type anything for another 5 minutes otherwise Ill be tempted to reply....

PS: SN I will dig this thread out and get back to you during the weekend.