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Postby SN » Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:11 am

Simon wrote:I was done with this thread ages ago....all you will do is repeat what you have already said no doubt, so save your bollocks for somebody who cares, because I won't be reading it. :roll:


You can commit a harakiri for all i care.All the bullshit,arbitrary and imaginary claims that Greece is any better will be answered by me.I couldnt give a damn of your bullshit for that matter.

Greece is a shitwhole all together when it comes to human rights and foreign policies.The gypsie of the Balkans is a very leniant comment for Greece.
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Postby SN » Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:14 am

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Piratis wrote: 1.What is the point? That you personally don't care about Cyprus, and therefore if Cyprus is attacked you wouldn't want Greece to support us?



2.This couldn't be further than the truth. About Cyprus who decides are Cypriots.



1.Yes,that is exactly what i am saying.Why should Greece be legally obligated to military intervention in Cyprus?That only deepens the divitions that is caused to the Greek Cypriot society.

I might accept help on humanitarian bases(food,medical help etc) considering Cyprus is an ally in the EU and NATO.That is all Greece should be eligible to offer.The same off course goes for Turkey.

But the main issue for me personally is not Cyprus but Greece.I dont see why a Greek citizen should be obligated to offer assistance to an independend sovereign country???Why should i be obligated to go to war protecting something that has nothing to do with the sovereign interests of Greece???I mean give me a credible reason....just one.What do I have to do with Cyprus?Or what does a Turkish citizen have to do with Cyprus???


2. RoC needs Greece.It is only normal a small country to be politically dependant on its ''protector''.So yes,the Cypriots might have a saying on whom they elect but i doubt it that they have a saying on what is really going on in RoC.Greece does,it is my firm belief that if Greece doesnt abandon its colonialism pocilies then the Cypriots would continue to suffer and live in a divided island.


Had you said that you'de be happy for a mutual withdrew of gaurantees from both turkey and greece only then i'd be agreeing with you. Unfortunately you've said you' accept a unilateral withdrawal of just greece even if turkey remains. This to me is a cop out and betrayal.

Secondly, there is absolutely no chance that anything that gets done here has been decided to by greece. The tpap govt if its done one thing is prove to the world how a cypriot govt can run its own policies and continue to piss Greece and its gently-gently diplomacy policy its trying to follow.

Karamanlis and Bakoyianni have been placed ina difficult position in the EU many times the past 4 years due to Cyprus's actions.

Thirdly, Cyprus is not in NATO.


About Nato i only assumed its normal an EU country to be a Nato member,i was mistaken as i said previously.

I said that my personal opinion is Greece's unilateral withdrawal as a guarantator.Yet that is very very complicated.I was reading the final draft of the Annan Plan yesterday and i see how complicated things are.None the less i would like to see Greece out of this mess,i am voicing my arguments as a Greek citizen.It has nothing to do with ethnic origin,nationality,motherland etc.Hopefully in Turkey there would be similar voices.

I dont believe what you say about Papadopoulos and Greece not interfering.Greece never said in a str8forward way Yes to the plan.It said it is a good chance but ultimately the GC would decide.I believe Greece dictated a few stuff to Papadopoulos.The same way that i believe that it will happen if Turkey ever gets in the EU.Greece will be saying OK we want Turkey to the EU but at the same time they will say that Cyprus has the right to veto them.I believe Greece will only ''save face'' by saying to Cyprus not to veto Turkey(if there isnt reunification of the Island by then) but ultimately if the Cyprus issue is not settled in Greece's favor,Greece will be more than happy to let Cyprus veto Turkey,thus blackmailing it.

Anyway Greece one way or another interferes,that is my point.I dont want this bullshit to continue.Complete neutrality even unilateraly i say as a Greek citizen.


You see SN its your careless choice of words that gets everyones back up. In your attempt to emphasise a pooint you take the description to the extreme in the hope that someone understand how frustrated you feel about this issue. Take for example your choice of words 2 posts ago

So yes,the Cypriots might have a saying on whom they elect but i doubt it that they have a saying on what is really going on in RoC.Greece does


and com,pare with your words 1 post ago


I believe Greece dictated a few stuff to Papadopoulos


theres a bit of a difference between the 2.



I said it is not wise to play with one or two words.What i say is perfectly understood.You need about a 70IQ to get what i say.Besides i dont see a contradiction.

Yes Cypriots have a saying on whom they elect but Greece interferes and dictates stuff to Papadopoulos.Those stuff are the most crutial though...
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Postby SN » Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:28 am

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Hahaha.You have shot me down??Ela re.Please dont make laugh.You prooved nothing but how biggot you are.The minority name is crutial element.Whatever Greece propagates i dont care the name is Muslim.

About Greece having the international law on its side...well, unless you are a judge in the Hague court,i take your claims as bullshit,horseshit etc.I provided a neutral link naming the violations as disputes.Legally both countries are covered.Proove me wrong from a neutral source


I told you we are doing rounds bsc you wanna have an argument.My choice of words is perfect while you have discredited nothing.If you want to descredit me find one quote about the name of the minority and about Macedonian's gov monopoly over the name.
It is only bla bla bla bla to post something i believe.About Thessaloniki you are boring...i told you Thessaloniki has the same population of ethnic Macedonians as the whole country of Macedonia.If not more(if you add the metropolitan area of Thessaloniki).

Twist the words of a fellow GC not mine.Find me the quotes i asked you and then will do the real debate until then save your bullshit for the belivers.





HAHAHA, even DT is picking up on your pathetic inconsistencies. :lol: The name is Muslim you repeat, and repeat and repeat. I have clearly answered you about this, and you completely avoid the issue, by repeating, 'the name is Muslim.' :roll: Great argument, they must be terrible then. :roll:

Greece will go to the Hague you cretin, the point is Turkey will not! Perhaps this has to do with the fact Turkey knows it will lose? And therefore, only wants bilateral talks. Greece clearly has international law on its side, because it is legal to expand to 12 n.miles. DT already clearly explained this to you. However, because it is in Greece's favour, you choose to ignore it like the pathetic fool you are! I do not need to post any links - The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea speaks for itself. Turkey is not a member of this convention (surprisingly :roll: ); and yet applies its 12 nm limit to its other seas! Pathetic hyprocrisy, that only fools could overlook! All this is about is Turkey trying to dominate and Aegean, with its threats of casus belli; nothing more.

Your choice of words is perfect!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Well that really does make me laugh. My five year-old Niece could do better! You should really leave the issue of Thessaloniki, I have already showed you up on that one before. Do you want me to show you your first quote, considering that you are persisting on this issue? :roll:



Read Bullshit.Need i repeat what i have said repeatdly.Turkey uses casus belli,clearly because Greece understands only power.The rest is bullshit.Greece in turn replys to be legally covered,to go to hague.Turkey interpretes the Treaties differently and the process is slowed down each time,Greece tries to find an interpretation it suits.So you see the bullshit of what you say?The hiporcricy mate is from both sides.Spare me the typical Greek biased propaganda arbitrary claims that people of your stock have adopted to feel you are always right.Stick to Cyprus and Cyprus only.

About Thessaloniki you can twist the words as you like.What i meant i clarified it and off course i abide by it.Besides only a fool pretends he didnt understood what i said just to use it as an argument against me.It takes the minimum IQ before you are clasified as a retarted,to understand what i have said.To make things even easier for you,i have clarified it beautifully what i said.Save your twisting of my words.

Kane mou ti hari koumpare i opws alliws sas apokaloun stin Kypro,as i said i grew up with the bullshit retard mentality that Macedonia is Greek,as well as with the extremely retarded battle over a name.Go enlighten you self with more important issues,such as the problem you face in Cyprus and leave out the battle over a name,which is only pathetic and deminors the mentality of healthy Greek citizens which view the name issue only as laughable at best.
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Postby SN » Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:34 am

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Spare me the bullshit by saying you that you do not consider Macedonians as Macedonians,what did you mean?that Macedonia is chinese?Off course you meant what your little propaganda dictates you.That Macedonia is Greek.

I told you,play with a toy or something not words.



I do not consider them as THE Macedonians; the modern day successor of the ancient Macedonians, as their propaganda claims. If they qualified their name to Slavo-Macedonians, I could accept this. Where did I say that Macedonia is only Greek? You really do need to learn how to read and process information. :roll:



Spare me.Off course your ego is OK believing that Macedonia is Greek.And that is what reassured you when Istor allmighty intervened.Save the bullshit for the Turks,who dont understand the retarded Greek mentality.
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Postby SN » Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:40 am

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That is what i call wishfull thinking of brainwashed GC.

I d even class it as romantic thoughts about your perceived motherland...It reminds me something of the 1821 era.Hahaha.Do GC actually believe this shit???

As if Greece is a guarantator for Cyprus.Greece is a guarantator for Greece.Greece will sell your people out at an eye blink.Greece did it once she is not gonna hesitate to do it again.



Just more bollocks from a complete idiot. Greece IS a guarantor. Not my opinion, it is a FACT. So stop with your bull-shit. Greece as a nation did not sell Cyprus out before, the junta did; who were unelected by the Greek nation. Completely different set of circumstances to today.



Yet another wishfull thinking and effort to twist my words.I said Greece IS a guarantator for Greece....gia tin parti tis pws to lene re filaraki...

The romantic thoughs of a GC that Greece will defend the Greek Cypriots.I am getting teary....Wake up filarako,wake up.
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Postby SN » Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:44 am

[quote="denizaksulu"]Good morning SN. It was rude of me not to thank your the valuable information and maps you have provided on this forum re:the Eagean. It just shows that being all powerful is not enough. One needs to be on the right side in a war and you find yourself gifted with hundreds of 'Cuban missiles' stuck in your throat. I hope Turkey will learn her lesson from this. Having good politicians are as important as having good generals.
Good luck (you will need a lot of it) with your battles with the Cypriots.
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Postby SN » Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:44 am

[quote="denizaksulu"]Good morning SN. It was rude of me not to thank your the valuable information and maps you have provided on this forum re:the Eagean. It just shows that being all powerful is not enough. One needs to be on the right side in a war and you find yourself gifted with hundreds of 'Cuban missiles' stuck in your throat. I hope Turkey will learn her lesson from this. Having good politicians are as important as having good generals.
Good luck (you will need a lot of it) with your battles with the Cypriots.
Regards
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Thanks Deniz.But who cares,honestly what the Greeks,Greece or some biggot GC think?ha?As if they have a strong voice in the world.I personally find it thorougly amusing to bash their little propagandas(i am talking about biggot people here),and them most amusing is that it hurts much more bsc it comes from a Greek.
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Postby SN » Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:46 am

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While your traits,are class A?Take a hike,Alexis.

Go play your willy re-assuring your self that Greece is better than everyone else.Maybe that way,viagra wont be of importance to you.


Ρε ΜΑΛ*ΚΑ μην πετάγεσαι συνέχεια σαν την π*ρδη. Ξέρω ότι σε τρώει ο κ*λος σου αλλά σταμάτα το ξύσιμο, δεν είναι αυτό που του λείπει και σε τρώει... :lol: :lol: :lol:



Alexi if you are refering to your craving for my dick...well,you are welcome...i wont charge.Promise!!!!!!
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Postby alexISS » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:58 pm

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While your traits,are class A?Take a hike,Alexis.

Go play your willy re-assuring your self that Greece is better than everyone else.Maybe that way,viagra wont be of importance to you.


Ρε ΜΑΛ*ΚΑ μην πετάγεσαι συνέχεια σαν την π*ρδη. Ξέρω ότι σε τρώει ο κ*λος σου αλλά σταμάτα το ξύσιμο, δεν είναι αυτό που του λείπει και σε τρώει... :lol: :lol: :lol:



Alexi if you are refering to your craving for my dick...well,you are welcome...i wont charge.Promise!!!!!!


While I totally support your right to be gay, I doubt you'll succeed in finding a mate in a political forum... but if you HAVE to try, avoid using the "free of charge" line, don't mix work with pleasure :lol: :lol:
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Postby SN » Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:23 pm

alexISS wrote:
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While your traits,are class A?Take a hike,Alexis.

Go play your willy re-assuring your self that Greece is better than everyone else.Maybe that way,viagra wont be of importance to you.


Ρε ΜΑΛ*ΚΑ μην πετάγεσαι συνέχεια σαν την π*ρδη. Ξέρω ότι σε τρώει ο κ*λος σου αλλά σταμάτα το ξύσιμο, δεν είναι αυτό που του λείπει και σε τρώει... :lol: :lol: :lol:



Alexi if you are refering to your craving for my dick...well,you are welcome...i wont charge.Promise!!!!!!


While I totally support your right to be gay, I doubt you'll succeed in finding a mate in a political forum... but if you HAVE to try, avoid using the "free of charge" line, don't mix work with pleasure :lol: :lol:



In fact i was supporting your right to be gay.Sometimes doing something out of pity for people like you ,constitutes a social service to the community,so dont be afraid i wont charge you, i promise i wont mention i f#ck you to other people 8)
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