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Postby Murataga » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:31 pm

Just a glimpse...

BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4101469.stm

.....Human rights groups say Greece has one of the worst records in the European Union for racism against ethnic minorities.....

....Earlier this year, Albanian immigrants across the country came under attack for daring to come out onto the streets to celebrate the Albanian football team's victory over Greece in a World Cup qualifying match.

One man was stabbed to death and many others were injured ....


Eurolang:
http://www.eurolang.net/index.php?optio ... =1&lang=en
National minority rights: France and Greece worse than Russia
Brussel - Bruxelles, Friday, 16 February 2007 by Davyth Hicks
A new book on national minorities in Europe ranks both France and Greece as having worse national minority rights than Russia.

The book, written by Christoph Pan and Beate Sibylle Pfeil, was launched on Wednesday (14th February) at the joint Sud Tirol, Trentino, and Tyrol office in Brussels. The authors compiled the ranking by comparing the performance of European states in their implementation of national minority rights, based on data drawn from the Council of Europe’s Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities (FCNM).


Human Rights Watch
http://hrw.org/english/docs/1999/01/08/greece790.htm

Greece has enacted a number of discriminatory measures to force ethnic Turks to migrate to Turkey or to disrupt community life and weaken its cultural basis. The most egregious example was Article 19 of the Citizenship Law, which, until it was abolished in 1998, allowed the state to strip approximately 60,000 non-ethnic Greeks of their citizenship between 1955 and 1998. Human Rights Watch welcomed abolition of the law last year, but noted that it did not apply retroactively, so tens of thousands of ethnic Turks remain wrongfully deprived of their Greek citizenship.
A 1990 law granted the state wide-ranging powers in appointing the mufti, the Turkish community's religious leader who also serves as an Islamic judge in civil matters. In defiance of the law, the Turkish community has continued to elect its religious leaders, who have been prosecuted and imprisoned by Greek authorities. In addition, the repair of mosques is sometimes blocked by state authorities, and those involved in the repair are prosecuted.

Human rights violations in the education field affect the largest number of individuals and have done the most to foster economic underdevelopment among the Turkish minority. Turkish children attend schools that are overcrowded and poorly funded compared to those attended by ethnic Greeks. And the two Turkish-language high schools in Western Thrace can provide only a fraction of the needed places, resulting in a disproportionate drop-out rate.

In addition, Human Rights Watch has received credible complaints from members of the ethnic Turkish minority, alleging police surveillance, discrimination in public employment, and restrictions on freedom of expression. Representatives of Human Rights Watch and the Greek Helsinki Monitor were trailed by police operatives in Thrace whileconducting research for the report.



Greek Helsinki Monitor & Minority Rights Group - Greece
Press Release 13/7/1998

The cooperating organizations Greek Helsinki Monitor and Minority Rights Group - Greece point out that the unanimous conviction of Greece by the European Court of Human Rights, on 10/7/1998, is the tenth conviction of the country for violation of the rights of minorities which live in it. Greece was convicted for the violation of the freedom of association (Article 11 of the relevant European Convention), because the Greek courts did not allow in 1990 the establishment of the "Home of Macedonian Civilization" (as translated in English by the European Court).



Amnesty International
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/EN ... of=ENG-GRC

Greece: Human rights violated on the margins of society
Foreigners shot on the border, asylum-seekers detained in metal containers, Roma forcibly evicted from their homes in Athens -- these are some of the examples of consistent pattern of human rights violations, Amnesty International reveals in a report today.

The report, Out of the spotlight: The rights of foreigners and minorities are still a grey area, highlights the failure of the Greek authorities to combat discrimination.

"People living on the margins of society -- asylum-seekers, migrants, Roma and members of other minorities -- are the most likely victims of discrimination in all its forms.Most often, their tormentors are representatives of the state," Olga Demetriou, Amnesty International's researcher on Greece, said.

Amnesty International's report focuses specifically on the failure of the state to comply with international human rights law and standards regarding access to the asylum process, the detention of migrants and protection from discrimination and ill-treatment.


Greece is like this although they are an EU member, meaning that they receive all the political and financial benefits that go along with it in a region where their only concern is Turkey in terms of military threat. Not to mention they remain to be the second poorest EU15 country after Portugal.
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Postby SN » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:32 pm

What specially the GC must understand is that Greece has direct aims to geopolitically control Cyprus for her interests only.

As i have repeatdly said,Greece had prooven its collonialism during the Balkan wars,regarding Macedonia.

One would expect that a minority population would never be elligible to rule a whole region....

Well,Greece did the imposible....It ''liberated'' an area that had a majority of Turkish,Jewish,Bulgarian and Macedonian population.The Greek element in Macedonia was only a decorative one as Greeks had been a small minority all over Macedonia.After the population exchanges,Greece revealed its true fascism by ethnically cleansing Macedonia and Thrace.....it used forced assimilation towards the Tsam Albanians and Slavophones.It made parody trials for the Tsams and send them packing in Albania(on the accusation they sided the Nazis) after WWII.The Slavophones that didnt have a Greek consiousness were constanly harrased and eventually expelled by Metaxas.Those that survived were forcibly assimilated...Those who didnt become ''Greeks'' were sent to exiles or to Bulgaria and Yugoslavia.

Greece to date continues its true fasism and does give a damn about Cyprus.It only cares about geopolitical control over the Island....
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Postby SN » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:38 pm

Murataga there are also tones of materials by official Albanian,Bulgarian and Macedonian organizations that border Greece.Our neighbours seem to know how fasistic Greece has been to them.

Carnegie report also on the Tsams ridicules Greece.I can go on forever.

The EU and the International organizations only know a fracture of what has really happened to Greece.
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Postby SN » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:41 pm

Also as i said Zelidis has also ridiculed Greece very recently....He was a Greek citizen....
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Postby humanist » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:43 pm

SN Welcome and thank you for your statement of support for a Unified Cyprus.



It is also up to the RoC government officials to also develop a sense of a Cypriot identitiy for Cyprus and its people and by detaching itself from the Hellenic identity and ideology. However in political terms with Turkey being such a threat I guess Cyprus needs an ally and that happens to be Greece. Of course Turkey's agenda is different and she will not budge therefore creating a huge problem for all Cypriot people.
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Postby DT. » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:46 pm

SN wrote:What specially the GC must understand is that Greece has direct aims to geopolitically control Cyprus for her interests only.

As i have repeatdly said,Greece had prooven its collonialism during the Balkan wars,regarding Macedonia.

One would expect that a minority population would never be elligible to rule a whole region....

Well,Greece did the imposible....It ''liberated'' an area that had a majority of Turkish,Jewish,Bulgarian and Macedonian population.The Greek element in Macedonia was only a decorative one as Greeks had been a small minority all over Macedonia.After the population exchanges,Greece revealed its true fascism by ethnically cleansing Macedonia and Thrace.....it used forced assimilation towards the Tsam Albanians and Slavophones.It made parody trials for the Tsams and send them packing in Albania(on the accusation they sided the Nazis) after WWII.The Slavophones that didnt have a Greek consiousness were constanly harrased and eventually expelled by Metaxas.Those that survived were forcibly assimilated...Those who didnt become ''Greeks'' were sent to exiles or to Bulgaria and Yugoslavia.

Greece to date continues its true fasism and does give a damn about Cyprus.It only cares about geopolitical control over the Island....



well since you've managed to get commended by a couple of democratic loving, freedom living liberal fellows such as VP and Murataga who have sat on this forum and told us the blessings of Turkey and its spotless human rights records along with Peace Operations in Cyprus in 74 then i gues congratulations are in order for making two new friends.

Personally I know that there is only one classification of minority in Greece and that is the Muslim minority. (you can find this in state.gov and the human rights report...i suggest you read greece first and then move on to turkey so that you can really digest the difference.) There is neither officially a Turkish or Jewish or whatever else minority in Greece. Considering however that Turkey is an excellent player in the world arena on defending ITS minorities (don't ask for her own) then I can understand Greece's paranoia. Soon as you claim a Turkish minority anywhere in the world Turkey is allowed to setup a new country (please see Kirkuk recently)

Your vicious appetitite in ripping Greece apart and comparing it unfavourably to the likes of Iran and Turkey reminds me of the exact same words spoken to me by a Greek anarchist...There is a large group of them in Greece who have made anti-globalisation and anti-capitalist rallies a profession.

Honesty is one thing but solely bashing your country to the applause of individuals who support a country with a track record matched only by North Korea is something else.
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Postby humanist » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:57 pm

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Well,Greece did the imposible....It ''liberated'' an area that had a majority of Turkish,Jewish,Bulgarian and Macedonian population.The Greek element in Macedonia was only a decorative one as Greeks had been a small minority all over Macedonia.After the population exchanges,Greece revealed its true fascism by ethnically cleansing Macedonia and Thrace.....it used forced assimilation towards the Tsam Albanians and Slavophones.It made parody trials for the Tsams and send them packing in Albania(on the accusation they sided the Nazis) after WWII.The Slavophones that didnt have a Greek consiousness were constanly harrased and eventually expelled by Metaxas.Those that survived were forcibly assimilated...Those who didnt become ''Greeks'' were sent to exiles or to Bulgaria and Yugoslavia.

Greece to date continues its true fasism and does give a damn about Cyprus.It only cares about geopolitical control over the Island....



SN I continue to welcome you on this forum as I did above. However we have many people on this forum who take us back to Metaxas era over and over. It really isn't relevant of the current situation facing the Cypriot people, whilst history is important in giving a context for the Cyprus situation it really isn't very helpful for this forum. I an now see the racists and partitionists having a playing field with this. Whilst we have Cypriot refugees in their own country and we have Cypriots faced with an economic embargo.

Whislt some Greek and Turkish Parliamentarians and Cypriot Parliamentarians and Turkish speaking Cypriot leaders getting free trips overseas and filling their big fat pockets and bank accounts. To them, I leave this little message we are not able to take it with us once we are six foot under. Be a little greedy no need to be too greedy.
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Postby SN » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:57 pm

DT. wrote:
Your vicious appetitite in ripping Greece apart and comparing it unfavourably to the likes of Iran and Turkey reminds me of the exact same words spoken to me by a Greek anarchist...There is a large group of them in Greece who have made anti-globalisation and anti-capitalist rallies a profession.

Honesty is one thing but solely bashing your country to the applause of individuals who support a country with a track record matched only by North Korea is something else.



DT i am deeply disapointed from my country.

Greece must be bashed bsc i see no other way.I have already said that i am neither a commie or an anarchist.I vote for a leading Greek party.

I dont seek to be aplauded by Turkish Cypriots only.I need the GC as well to understand that while nobody denies their links to Greece,it is essential that they detach themselves from Hellenism...

Do you believe that i wouldnt want a country that i can feel proud of???

I grew up here and i thought that we were a fair player....Once i left Greece,i saw what Greece is all about...

My critisism is an act of awakening primararly the Greek citizens....

We are not to be compared with Turkey.COME ON WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LIGHT YEARS AHEAD TURKEY...BUT ARE WE???....At the end of the day i dont live in Turkey,i live in Greece.I want my country to be trully democratic and multicultural...
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Postby miltiades » Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:58 pm

SN wrote:Also as i said Zelidis has also ridiculed Greece very recently....He was a Greek citizen....


Are you a Communist ?
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Postby SN » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:03 am

miltiades wrote:
SN wrote:Also as i said Zelidis has also ridiculed Greece very recently....He was a Greek citizen....


Are you a Communist ?



NO.I have already said three times i am neither a commie nor an anarchist.

I am merely critical on Greece.We the Greek citizens have no other option as to get more and more critical towards Greece if we want,true progress in this country....
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