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In what way is Greece interfering to Cyprus's affairs?

alexISS I like the way you dissapear and then miraculously re-appear as soon as Greece is mentioned

He does the "trojan horse"...

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And i bow before the victims of the Greek atrocities commited in Cyprus between 63-74.

Don't forget TC atrocities committed against GC's and TC's my good man...

[Piratis]

1.Yes,that is exactly what i am saying.Why should Greece be legally obligated to military intervention in Cyprus?That only deepens the divitions that is caused to the Greek Cypriot society.

I might accept help on humanitarian bases(food,medical help etc) considering Cyprus is an ally in the EU and NATO.That is all Greece should be eligible to offer.The same off course goes for Turkey.

But the main issue for me personally is not Cyprus but Greece.I dont see why a Greek citizen should be obligated to offer assistance to an independend sovereign country???Why should i be obligated to go to war protecting something that has nothing to do with the sovereign interests of Greece???I mean give me a credible reason....just one.What do I have to do with Cyprus?Or what does a Turkish citizen have to do with Cyprus???

Thanks for making that clear, because for a moment some people here thought what you were are interested in the good of Cyprus.

2. RoC needs Greece.It is only normal a small country to be politically dependant on its ''protector''.So yes,the Cypriots might have a saying on whom they elect but i doubt it that they have a saying on what is really going on in RoC.Greece does,it is my firm belief that if Greece doesnt abandon its colonialism pocilies then the Cypriots would continue to suffer and live in a divided island.

SN, telling us about your feelings is fine. But you are obviously clueless regarding political issues so leave that to others. You even said that Cyprus is a member of NATO...

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SN, telling us about your feelings is fine. But you are obviously clueless regarding political issues so leave that to others. You even said that Cyprus is a member of NATO...

Who was it that said the "TRNC" is a member of NAFTA? Was that you Murataga by any chance?

[SN]

SN, telling us about your feelings is fine. But you are obviously clueless regarding political issues so leave that to others. You even said that Cyprus is a member of NATO...

It is not a matter of feelings.It is a matter of the political existance and piece in the region.Clearly i want piece for the Cypriots,without undermining piece in Greece.As you see Cyprus and Greece are linked military and politically.
Regarding NATO, i was under that impression.It is not that i think about Cyprus everyday.So it is ok for you to share your feelings as well but save your arbitrary characterisms about my knowledge of politics.


In case your people dont know what Greece is all about,let me enlighten you.Bsc i take it that most of the GC regard Greece as a panacia.

Greece is a country that constantly violates humans rights.It has the strongest policy of ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.Turkey is an angel compared to Greece in this respect.Even Serbia(our dear ally) is an angel compared to Greece.We go around accusing Turkey of non existant human rights,while Greece has done ten times worst things to Bulgarians and Macedonians(SlavMacedonians)and Turks offcourse.
Take Macedonia for example.During the civil war we exterminated and exciled thousand of Slavophone Greeks(as we so dearly wanna call them) that did not have an ethnic Greek consiousness.After the Balkan wars we tripled in size.....Oh hang on...i know Macedonia is Greek.....That is only a fairytale....Macedonia was a gift given to Greece after the Balkan wars.How come Greece is the only country in the Balkans not having an ethnic minority???I mean how come????Simply bsc Greece has an iron fist against all non Greek-consiousness ppl.That is exactly why today we have another country bordering Greece named Macedonia.This country is a constant reminder to Greece's iron fist policies of the Slavophone populations and minorities in general.While the Slavophones didnt manage to create an independent Macedonia inside Greece,after being expelled from Greece to Yugoslavia during the civil war,Tito recognized their ''sensetivities'' that Greece failed to recognize.He enhanced their national consiousness and after the collapse of communism a new country proudly borders Greece with the name Macedonia.....That is the ultimate proof of how democratic Greece was or has been....

Greece directly plans and have been planning for years to geopolically control Cyprus.You see in Cyprus the Greek propaganda of hellenism is working just fine....So as long as we have you believing that you are a part of hellenism our task is easier.Ultimately Greece aims to annex Cyprus.The same goes for Turkey as well.What do you thing the ENOSIS issue was all about.?...The bottom line is that Hellinsm is bad for our health....Very very bad.We had thousands of bilingual Greeks suffering in Greece in the name of hellenism....

I say block Greece from Cyprus in any way form and shape and i say block Turkey from Cyprus the same way.Leave Cyprus to Cypriots.

[Kifeas]

SN, telling us about your feelings is fine. But you are obviously clueless regarding political issues so leave that to others. You even said that Cyprus is a member of NATO...

It is not a matter of feelings.It is a matter of the political existance and piece in the region.Clearly i want piece for the Cypriots,without undermining piece in Greece.As you see Cyprus and Greece are linked military and politically.
Regarding NATO, i was under that impression.It is not that i think about Cyprus everyday.So it is ok for you to share your feelings as well but save your arbitrary characterisms about my knowledge of politics.


In case your people dont know what Greece is all about,let me enlighten you.Bsc i take it that most of the GC regard Greece as a panacia.

Greece is a country that constantly violates humans rights.It has the strongest policy of ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.Turkey is an angel compared to Greece in this respect.Even Serbia(our dear ally) is an angel compared to Greece.We go around accusing Turkey of non existant human rights,while Greece has done ten times worst things to Bulgarians and Macedonians(SlavMacedonians)and Turks offcourse.
Take Macedonia for example.During the civil war we exterminated and exciled thousand of Slavophone Greeks(as we so dearly wanna call them) that did not have an ethnic Greek consiousness.After the Balkan wars we tripled in size.....Oh hang on...i know Macedonia is Greek.....That is only a fairytale....Macedonia was a gift given to Greece after the Balkan wars.How come Greece is the only country in the Balkans not having an ethnic minority???I mean how come????Simply bsc Greece has an iron fist against all non Greek-consiousness ppl.That is exactly why today we have another country bordering Greece named Macedonia.This country is a constant reminder to Greece's iron fist policies of the Slavophone populations and minorities in general.While the Slavophones didnt manage to create an independent Macedonia inside Greece,after being expelled from Greece to Yugoslavia during the civil war,Tito recognized their ''sensetivities'' that Greece failed to recognize.He enhanced their national consiousness and after the collapse of communism a new country proudly borders Greece with the name Macedonia.....That is the ultimate proof of how democratic Greece was or has been....

Greece directly plans and have been planning for years to geopolically control Cyprus.You see in Cyprus the Greek propaganda of hellenism is working just fine....So as long as we have you believing that you are a part of hellenism our task is easier.Ultimately Greece aims to annex Cyprus.The same goes for Turkey as well.What do you thing the ENOSIS issue was all about.?...The bottom line is that Hellinsm is bad for our health....Very very bad.We had thousands of bilingual Greeks suffering in Greece in the name of hellenism....

I say block Greece from Cyprus in any way form and shape and i say block Turkey from Cyprus the same way.Leave Cyprus to Cypriots.

SN, RoC is an independed and sovereign state, a member of the UN, the CoE and now a separate member of the EU! The RoC is run by the elected president and his government. It has its own laws, its own economu, its own currency and its own self sufficient institutions.

The president is elected by the people of the RoC, at least those living in the southern free part of it. The president of Cyprus is neither accountable, nor he receives orders or directives from Greece, or anybody else. He is only accountable to the people that elect him, i.e. the citizens of the RoC.

What you are saying about Greece dictating or directing the RoC is pure nonsense!

As a proof, the most of Greece was in favor of the Annan plan, including the government and Karamanlis himself. The president of Cyprus was against it, as well as the GC society. The result was that a decision was taken according to what the president of the RoC and the majority of the GC society wanted, contrary to what the Greek government advised or would have wanted.

Now, regarding your claims that Greece wants to annex Cyprus, this is rubbish! It is just science fiction!

One can claim that perhaps this was the case at some time in the distant past, but not any more than the GCs themselves have wanted enosis with Greece; however, to claim that this issue is still alive and valid, what can I say? Have a good wake up from the deep sleep you have been enjoying all these years!

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SN,

Excellent post and welcome to the forum. The hyena's will attack you now, kifeas is the dominant alpha male followed by Piratis. Be ready, take cover my friend.

[SN]

Kifeas i am decribing the Greek mentanility.Not the actual politics.As long as Cyprus needs Greece to protect it against Turkey,Greece has a saying.

The thing is that Greece must be quiet about these issues.We are supposed to be in the EU.We must have a democratic facade....That is not the case at all...

Greece aims directly to geopolitically control Cyprus. Turkey as well aaims the same.Off course i know that Cyprus in sovereign nation.But as long as you fall victims of the hellenism propaganda,your people will suffer more and more.Already the GC community is divided on its relations towards Greece.

Btw-Greece never said actually directly YES to the Annan Plan.We said that we agree but the ultimate choice is up to the Greek-Cypriots to decide.

The only dream that i have is that i am Hellene.Bsc it is only a dream.The same way you dont have anything Hellenic on you....Hellenism is bad,both for Cyprus and Greece.I think it is time for Cyprus to wake up.Greece had a lions share on the Balkans,dont let Cyprus be a part of its Hellenistic dreams...

The same off course always apply for Turkey....

Wake up....the Iranians are more Hellenic than the modern Greeks or GreekCypriots!Dont make me laugh and read a book on Greece Foreign policy.

[alexISS]

SN, telling us about your feelings is fine. But you are obviously clueless regarding political issues so leave that to others. You even said that Cyprus is a member of NATO...

It is not a matter of feelings.It is a matter of the political existance and piece in the region.Clearly i want piece for the Cypriots,without undermining piece in Greece.As you see Cyprus and Greece are linked military and politically.
Regarding NATO, i was under that impression.It is not that i think about Cyprus everyday.So it is ok for you to share your feelings as well but save your arbitrary characterisms about my knowledge of politics.


In case your people dont know what Greece is all about,let me enlighten you.Bsc i take it that most of the GC regard Greece as a panacia.

Greece is a country that constantly violates humans rights.It has the strongest policy of ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.Turkey is an angel compared to Greece in this respect.Even Serbia(our dear ally) is an angel compared to Greece.We go around accusing Turkey of non existant human rights,while Greece has done ten times worst things to Bulgarians and Macedonians(SlavMacedonians)and Turks offcourse.
Take Macedonia for example.During the civil war we exterminated and exciled thousand of Slavophone Greeks(as we so dearly wanna call them) that did not have an ethnic Greek consiousness.After the Balkan wars we tripled in size.....Oh hang on...i know Macedonia is Greek.....That is only a fairytale....Macedonia was a gift given to Greece after the Balkan wars.How come Greece is the only country in the Balkans not having an ethnic minority???I mean how come????Simply bsc Greece has an iron fist against all non Greek-consiousness ppl.That is exactly why today we have another country bordering Greece named Macedonia.This country is a constant reminder to Greece's iron fist policies of the Slavophone populations and minorities in general.While the Slavophones didnt manage to create an independent Macedonia inside Greece,after being expelled from Greece to Yugoslavia during the civil war,Tito recognized their ''sensetivities'' that Greece failed to recognize.He enhanced their national consiousness and after the collapse of communism a new country proudly borders Greece with the name Macedonia.....That is the ultimate proof of how democratic Greece was or has been....

Greece directly plans and have been planning for years to geopolically control Cyprus.You see in Cyprus the Greek propaganda of hellenism is working just fine....So as long as we have you believing that you are a part of hellenism our task is easier.Ultimately Greece aims to annex Cyprus.The same goes for Turkey as well.What do you thing the ENOSIS issue was all about.?...The bottom line is that Hellinsm is bad for our health....Very very bad.We had thousands of bilingual Greeks suffering in Greece in the name of hellenism....

I say block Greece from Cyprus in any way form and shape and i say block Turkey from Cyprus the same way.Leave Cyprus to Cypriots.

I was just about to seriously answer to your previous post but you just discredited yourself with this one. There are some Greeks that have anarchistic views towards the Greek state, but none of them claim at the same time that Turkey is an "angel". You may be a Greek citizen, but you are obviously not a Greek. It's a shame of course that you feel the way you do, because your people (whoever they are) that live in Greece lead a much better life than their countrymen back home, and you should be grateful, as most of them are.

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Greece probably told Papadopulous to do everything in his power to reject it while they opted to accept it so as not to seem like they had any influence over the plan or Cyprus!

Even if the above is totally untrue the funny thing is GCs would say be the first to make statements like the above about Turkey but they would NEVER consider that similar tactics may be used on themselves by Greece...they tell us we're brainwashed but would they EVER even consider let alone think they are in the exact same boat as the TCs? The only difference is that they're in the blue boat while we in the red