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[iceman]

Why would you even want to joke about something as serious as that? A friend of mine had once told me something that I have now come to cherish. He said " a lot of things are often said in gest, but are often meant".

One thing I do agree is that talat is wasting time touring Europe, may be sitting down to discuss July 8th agreement will be more beneficial.

But again with the Cyprus problem solved, he wont be getting tours will he? See personal gain overides community good. His community btw. I have come to accept that Turkish speaking Community sees Greek speaking Community as evil and therefore does not give a toss, but he could at least try and make it better for his community by honouring an agreement instead of blaming the Greek speaking side. Of course the Greek speaking side will do everything in its power to protect the rights of that community. refusing to honour an agreement is right down iresponsible and stupid.

33 Years just that should be enough to say enough is enough lets try something new different we may actually get somwhere. Anyway do these people think they are going to live for ever. The Talats and papadopoulos's of this world will be well and truly gone in another 33 years if that is what they are aiming at. Hell I was 6 year old kid in 74 and am now 39. That is half a lifetime. And I wont even be around to see a unified Cyprus at this rate.

And we calll these politicians stalling and stalling for what. Their big fat pockets to get bigger. Really disappointing at both of them. Papadopoulos needs todo more to show the Turkish speaking Cyp's they will be protected in the south and he needs to make it attractive for them to move to the southto their villages and homes.

He needs to act NOW.

My quote was for Bigoz's last sentence saying talat should be travelling North-East and Eastwards from Turkey, if he is really serious about developing trade realtions with anyone...
Because Turkey treats as us a foreign country (when it suits them thats what they do) Due to the high taxation in Turkey on our products we have no chance of selling to them let alone competing their products in Turkey..
On the other hand,Turkish products enter North Cyprus with either zero or little tax!!

[halil]

[quote="humanist"]

One thing I do agree is that talat is wasting time touring Europe, may be sitting down to discuss July 8th agreement will be more beneficial.

i don't think so that talat is wasting his time.all the years world was listening u and your propanda. we ahve talk as well.let them to listen us well.
I have come to accept that Turkish speaking Community sees Greek speaking Community as evil and therefore does not give a toss,

we don't see u as devil.we except u as equal partners.

[bigOz]

One thing I do agree is that talat is wasting time touring Europe, may be sitting down to discuss July 8th agreement will be more beneficial.

i don't think so that talat is wasting his time.all the years world was listening u and your propanda. we ahve talk as well.let them to listen us well.
I have come to accept that Turkish speaking Community sees Greek speaking Community as evil and therefore does not give a toss,

we don't see u as devil.we except u as equal partners.

Halil! We are Turks and Muslims in the eyes of EU! There is no denying that "Christian Democrat" ruled EU has little or no sympathy for any ethnic origin relating to above.

Look at all the UN resolutions mostly initiated by the strong European leadership, ever since 1963 that had always been one sided. What did the UN ever do to help TCs before 1974? What the European Courts do for war crimes committed by EOKA-B before 1974? Let me assure you they will do just as much to support any TC cause!

There is no legal and moral premise as to why Europe should not allow TCs travel direct to where they live, neither is there one for not allowing direct trade. The whole situation becomes even more comical when at the same time they are giving financial aid to TC side for various developments and/or not stopping tourism or Cyprus Turkish Airlines travelling into their countries (albeit indirectly)! So what is really happening?

They cannot bear the thought of any kind of Muslim state becoming a part of the Christian political and economic union. Turkey will never be a EU member, and the TC part of Cyprus will always be sitting on the fence expecting handouts, because the Greek Orthodox Church is more Turk and Muslim hating than any other Church in Europe. Hence, there will never be a real solution to Cyprus problem that will allow a TC federal state take part.

If this transpires to be the case, than what other alternative is there for a TC economy that really amounts to expenditure equivalent to that of a small town in UK.? All we need is couple of trading partners from Middle East or Asia and that would be more than enough. It's not as if we have an economy so big and strong that we need the whole World, or even the whole of Europe to support it!

For F**ks sake, we are only talking about 180,000 people and their produce! Azerbaijan on its own or Uzbekistan could afford to buy all the fruit and clothing we produce and still need more from the others - so can Kazakhstan! Why doesn't Talat go and start off a trade relations with them and make himself less vulnerable when talking with Europe? We get the oil from those countries in exchange and the North will prosper just as well as the South - maybe then some GCs will stop seeing TCs as gypsies and consider a more sensible approach to a bi-zonal federal solution.

The way I see it, when two parties are involved in talks, where one has a distinct disadvantage in terms of numbers, economy and international recognition, the other side will always try to bank on that and take the advantage to make endless demands, giving you nothing if at all possible. That is exactly what has been happening in Cyprus over the past so many years, and I do not see anything changing in the near future.

SO! Talat IS wasting time having holidays in Europe, nothing will come out of it except few more extra kilos on the belly! Waste of time and resources as far as I am concerned...

[boulio]

Im SORRY TO INFORM t/c IN this forum but you will never get trade regulations,if you could the british and usa would have gotten them already.The sooner you come to the realization the better.

[Pyrpolizer]

Personally I cannot comprehend how someone could let go of their lands and villages and have no attachment to them as TC's have done and accept to take someone elses property instead. At least my heart will not be able to do it.

He,he he. Would you have an attachment to your old Morris if you were given a Ferrari instead humanist?

Those who left Ferraris behind (not the majority anyway) do have attachment with them and they do want them back actually.

[humanist]

Halil said

we don't see u as devil.we except u as equal partners.

Are we on the same forum? Have you seen the stuff that has been said about Greek speaking Cypriots? by some Turkish speaking Cypriots Not all but the majority.

Halil I also wish to say that it has been my observation that Talat has not and made any atempts to move towards unification. His efforts is to get recognition for the trnc and the minute that is done unification is out the window. A man who wishes to advance his peg on the discussion table talking discussing unification. Months ago a proposal was put forth for trnc trade via the RoC ports that was rejected by Talat and his regime. Talat is not approaching the RoC saying hey we got some products that we can export we wish to label them product of Cyprus lets trade them through Lemesos port. This will build confidence and unify the economic domain of our country and assist in unification.

You have made reference to feeding EU with propaganda. I think EU is cleverer than that to listen to propaganda the facts are clear,

there is no such thing as north cyprus
turkey is occupying the north of the Island of Cyprus
rightful owners of property are illegaly forced out and unable to access their property and that part of their country

These three facts have been noted by the ECHR and are recognsed by the international community. This is not propaganda. this is factual information recorded in courts and the UN

[humanist]

bigOz said

maybe then some GCs will stop seeing TCs as gypsies and consider a more sensible approach to a bi-zonal federal solution.

I don't think greek speaking cypriots see you guys as gypsies, they feel it is unfair that they have been ousted from their property and country and you have no right to deny them their rights to their properties. they believe that if you are a turkish speaking cyriot who owns 20 acres of land in Instijio youhave right to that land, if you own 550sqm building block in down town Lemesos that is your property and claim it, so that yiorgo and voula can return to their orchard in morphou. it really is that simple.