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Postby michellelee » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:46 am

i have just looked through a good few pages going back a good few months - i find it a bit weird how all this is being brought up when there have been all the terrorism acts recently - are you trying to justify or recruit?
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:47 am

alexISS wrote:So, since we are capable of sinning, we ARE flawed right? Flawed by design that is, God WANTED us to be capable of sinning. Then he told us not to. Damn, that's not making me want to worship him to be honest.

God seems curious to see if he can win humans over by granting them a brain that can reason and thus make decisions. Why does he do that? Perhaps he is bored.

Since God is omnipotent, can he build a stone so heavy that even he would not be able to lift it?

In a nutshell you’re asking if God can defeat himself! Save your question for when you reach the celestial world because it cannot be answered here.
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Postby alexISS » Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:11 am

Get Real! wrote:God seems curious to see if he can win humans over by granting them a brain that can reason and thus make decisions. Why does he do that? Perhaps he is bored.

God also gave us instincts. The instincts of reproduction and self-preservation are the cause of our sinning. If those instincts were absent we would all be saints. And extinct. Btw, there is boredom in the "celestial world"? Not exactly the afterlife I wish I'll get...

Get Real! wrote:In a nutshell you’re asking if God can defeat himself! Save your question for when you reach the celestial world because it cannot be answered here.

There is no celestial world I'm afraid, my question will never be answered...
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:43 am

alexISS wrote:
Get Real! wrote:God seems curious to see if he can win humans over by granting them a brain that can reason and thus make decisions. Why does he do that? Perhaps he is bored.

God also gave us instincts. The instincts of reproduction and self-preservation are the cause of our sinning. If those instincts were absent we would all be saints. And extinct. Btw, there is boredom in the "celestial world"? Not exactly the afterlife I wish I'll get...

Get Real! wrote:In a nutshell you’re asking if God can defeat himself! Save your question for when you reach the celestial world because it cannot be answered here.

There is no celestial world I'm afraid, my question will never be answered...

As you mention, our ability to reproduce and built-in self-preservation can only aid in the longevity of humans as a species so I am inclined to suspect that God merely intended to PRESERVE his play-mat a bit longer for his own personal reasons but it appears to have backfired as humans also tend to “sin” by having these properties. Of course, what determines a “sin” is fully configurable by the creator of the play-mat.

With regards to the existence of a celestial world, if God exists then there must be a celestial world even if he is the only entity within it so I guess we would have to prove the first to get the answer to the second.
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Postby alexISS » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:01 am

Get Real! wrote:As you mention, our ability to reproduce and built-in self-preservation can only aid in the longevity of humans as a species so I am inclined to suspect that God merely intended to PRESERVE his play-mat a bit longer for his own personal reasons but it appears to have backfired as humans also tend to “sin” by having these properties.

Ah, so now you see it yourself: God gives us self-preservation instincts to sustain us, then he asks of us to fight those instincts because following them is a sin that will send us straight to hell.

Get Real! wrote:Of course, what determines a “sin” is fully configurable by the creator of the play-mat.

which "creator" is in turn a creation of Man, so in the end it's us who determine what is considered a sin

Get Real! wrote:With regards to the existence of a celestial world, if God exists then there must be a celestial world even if he is the only entity within it so I guess we would have to prove the first to get the answer to the second.

I do not of course doubt the existence of a celestial world while accepting the existence of God. I doubt the existence of both
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Postby rajput49 » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:33 pm

there are things which GOD CANT EVEN do.for example he cant be a man bcoz both have different qualities.GOD CANT TAKE US OUT OF HIS JURISDICTIONS BCOZ EVERYTHING IS IN HIS JURISDICTION.creation of god isnt flawed the way GOD created us is perfect but as i explained b4 we have opted for things which are totaly against our purpose of creation.if GOD wanted he wouldnt have ever created human beings.if GOD wanted he would have made all ppl beleiving in him but then point of test which we r going through will never arise.u have to just concentrate on purpose of ur creation.one ONE MOMENT OF THOUGHT IS BETTER THEN WHOLE NIGHTS WORSHIP AND SUPPLICATIONS bcoz thinking can lead u to ur creator and ur purpose of creation.QURAN IS BOOK OF SIGNS,signs that will take u to ur creator.
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Postby amazed » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:48 pm

rajput49.... Are you a muslim or hindu?
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Postby beverley10 » Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:50 pm

If you all stop replying to these postings,they would soon stop! So just open them and then ignore it!You are just playing into their hands.
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Postby ukman » Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:02 pm

i bet he is a doctor : :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Postby Eliko » Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:46 pm

I find it rather confusing to note that people are so ready and willing to recognize what they consider to be 'EVIL', yet have an extraordinary inability to recognize what others perceive to be 'GOOD'.

Perhaps we are living in the times (foretold in many religious tomes), when the final conflict will take place.

Choose your sides carefully, the devil will take the hindmost, as they say !. :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
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