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[zan]

Murataga, you unashamedly keep posting a Security Council resolution containing…

“…such a settlement must exclude union in whole or in part with any other country or any form of partition or secession"

…which clearly shoots you in the foot every time and yet your compatriots, Zan, BigOz, LondonBoy, and VP, see fit to applaud you! Is this an indication that the five of you have the combined IQ of an Albino Octopus on heat or is it a classic case of the infamous “TRNC” standards which you must be use to by now and assume the same for us? In case you’re wondering we are NOT amused Murataga!

On top of that you have been in violation of dozens of UN resolutions for more than three decades and yet here you are today making this laughably petty attempt to take advantage of a single unexplained phrase in a single (SC) resolution! How did you ever become so shameless???

SINCE WHEN HAVE YOU ACQUIRED ANY UN/SC RESOLUTION RIGHTS GIVEN THAT YOU ARE THE WORLD’S WORST OFFENDER OF THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS???

Are your parents/guardians aware that you have fallen so low Murataga???

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Then my dear friend Zan posts this little gem…

“You seem to believe that you are the owners of Cyprus when it is clear that you simply do not.”

Think about this people…a remnant of a Turkish invasion dares tell an INDIGINOUS CYPRIOT that he is NOT the owner of Cyprus, and that HE the foreigner is!!!

Did you think long and hard before posting this Zan? Are you applying common sense here or just responding with pretty much anything because nobody else will? I can only conclude that you forgot to discharge the static electricity from your body after work!

Regards, GR.

I don't really understand what exactly you are celebrating here my giddy friend.

Is it your IQ that you and Kifeas seem to be obsessed with that fails you over and over again?


or.....

The fact that you have gained resolutions by deceit? The fact that you guys have not honoured a single resolution or constitution since the republic was formed does not play heavy on your consciences does not ring bells in your head as to why we do not give a shit what resolution you conned out of the EU or the UN. I think you had better re-sit your IQ test because I hear the rules have changed. You might even get to see that albino octopus that sat next to you the first time round, again.


or....

The fact that you have shown us the real side of unification. I think you have got Kifeas breaking a few pencils with this outburst. : lol: We have had this indigenous thing out before but it seems you learned nothing from it. You can sit in the south and think you are the bees knees all you like but after hundreds of years and god knows how many that have fallen to your treachery we have earned the right to be Cypriots in the fullest sense and that you should perhaps check your ancestry as to who or what you are. The fact still remains that you cannot define what a Cypriot is without my people sitting in on the vote with their veto intact within the framework of the Zurich agreement....or...would you like to pick option two as Piratis has. There you go funny guy. Chew on that for a while and then go out into the night and see the lights that the other Cypriot community have put up for your pleasure. Enjoy!!!

[boulio]

well i've given up on murat about implementing a german model for cyprus considering it would give them political equality and a zone which they would control(as per UN resolutions that murat loves pointing out)so i would like to know the opinion of other t/c concerning this proposal.

[Pyrpolizer]

The standing fact is that there is a problem in Cyprus and the world points to the solution of this problem as RoC becoming a federated state with TWO communities in separate zones with equal political status. Now here is the core of the matter: the U.N. (along with the rest of the world) has trapped itself and locked any foreseeable solution within this framework they have given something to ONE of the communities that doesn`t belong to them in the first place and now they want it back and call this the solution of the Cyprus Problem. Where the U.N. has trapped itself is that it gave ONE of the communities, the GC community, the right to become the RoC thus granting them the status of being a nation within the RoC and synthetically elevating their status from being ONE of the TWO communities as she is foreseen in a solution of the problem. The GC community has believed, acted and educated its youth that they are a nation of the RoC and they have been treated as a nation of the RoC.

And then you say everybody is cussing you! Do you realise what you are saying my friend? You are saying the Cyprus problem is the Republic of Cyprus itself!!!!
Not the fact that part of the Republic of Cyprus (a 37% ACTUALLY) has been invaded and still be occupied by Turkey, not the fact that 180,000 GC were ethnically cleansed AND BECAME REFUGEES IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY.

perhaps the only cure is to go back and read each and every UN resolution to understand what the Cyprus problem is.

As for the UN resolution you so many times repeated, I already told you this was THE UN REPLY to Denktash. Denktash started saying the solution was found in 1974 with the Turkish Invasion, all is missing is global exchange of properties and compensations. The UN was actually replying to Denktash telling him, "hey listen you already agreed in 1976 on this and that, this is what the solution should be not what you are saying".

[Pyrpolizer]

The U.N. first gives them the right to be the owner of the RoC, makes them a nation of the RoC, treats them as the nation of the RoC, and than points out that there is a problem in the RoC and that it is to be solved by this nation becoming a community. Even more paradoxically, although acknowledging that in the solution pointed to the Cyprus Problem the GCs are to be reduced from the nation of the RoC to a community in the RoC, the U.N. puts a prerequisite that it should be asked if the GCs would accept giving up being the nation of the RoC and becoming a community of the RoC

I am really trying to understand you believe me. In fact in this part you are not totally wrong.

No state ever gets disolved or stops funcioning or becomes illegal just because some MPs and some Ministers withdraw from the Government. The State continues to function. People may come and go, die and others get born, but the State is eternal it never disolves. If the purpose of your withdrawal was not really to do something more illegal, i.e to set the grounds for a State within a State and prepare for Cyprus’ split, then your leadership in cooperation with Turkey should have gone to the UN and secure a resolution. THEY NEVER DID.

So the RoC continued to function without the TCs and you are right the GCs started thinking the RoC is great, and as you said they started thinking they are the RoC nation.

The truth is the RoC would not really be that great and GC dominated, and hence caring for only the GCs if you had fought for your own rights in it. You can DO IT EVEN NOW!

The other truth is you know damn well the extend of your rights in the RoC -which is not little at all- but you are so greedy you want more. The way we are moving is obvious that no other solution will be found. EVER. And that your only REAL option is to claim back the rights you have in the RoC.
Do it the soonest possible. You are wasting your time in waiting for anything better.
Look at it this way: You can teach the GCs what the RoC REALLY is. And believe me a lot of GCs will get a heart attack.

[Pyrpolizer]

Call it the Annan Plan, Zimbabwe Plan, the Makarios Plan or whatever you like… Although the U.N.`s solution to settling the Cyprus Problem is by converting the current, illegitimate as far as universal principles are concerned but legal according to the EU and the UN, RoC in to a federated state with TWO politically equivalent communities in their separate zones, this solution will never ever be accepted by the GCs, ever. Because it is asking ONE of those (to become in the settlement) communities whether she will give up her extremely privileged status as a nation and become a community in the RoC. Who would say "Ne!" especially when they hold the tools with them to refuse this: an RoC already recognized by the world where they are the nation that gets to decide solely on their own on how that RoC is going to be navigated. Why become a community when you are the nation in the RoC? Why share policy/decision making of the RoC with another? Why give up living under a government of GCs to a one shared with another? And especially if that "another" is the long-time perceived "Satan" for which the RoC "nation" still carries with herself a heavy bag load of resentment?

I ll tell you why. Because 99.9% of the GCs are NOT POLITICIANS and they care less for all these. Those 99.9% of the GCs who voted OXI voted so for other reasons, that have nothing to do with what you said.Those 0.1% who are politicians voted OXI for the reasons you said. So here you go.

[Simon]

What is your IQ Zan? Just wondering, as I keep seeing it being referred to....

[Pyrpolizer]

That of Poppi who tried to play Hamlet at the Royal Shakespeare Theatre

[Simon]

[zan]

What is your IQ Zan? Just wondering, as I keep seeing it being referred to....

You can make your own mind up Simon as you probably already have...Oh no wait you wait for other twit with the deduction skills of a lab rat to tell you. And then they laughed!!!!

[boulio]

Still no comments about the proposal???