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[bigOz]

Get real!

Why don't you explain to all us Mongoloids, the meaning of what you call an "INDIGINOUS CYPRIOT".

The world is made up of a big mass of land that belong to all HUMANS. The law of the land had been for thousands of years "He who is strong conquers and rules - reigns". True for all Empires and conquerors of the world (not just Ottomans).

In today's world, every one has the right, or at least should have the right, to live anywhere on this planet irrespective of their origin, colour or race. By definition a national of any country is "the status of belonging to a particular nation, whether by birth or naturalization". Cyprus is a country and people living on it are all its nationals.

The sooner you understand that the racist views you and your likes possess have no room in today's world and definitely none in EU, the better for your blood pressure! Which part of it is it you do not understand that; the day you joined EU, you practically accepted there will be no fucking "INDIGINOUS CYPRIOT" left in Cyprus in another 20 years time! So all this talk about what race is the rightful owner of the island (???) will not change a thing now. Why the other TCs get wound up I have no idea - but I personally find you extremely amusing!

[Murataga]

Murataga, you unashamedly keep posting a Security Council resolution containing…

“…such a settlement must exclude union in whole or in part with any other country or any form of partition or secession"

…which clearly shoots you in the foot every time

Temper, temper... I wish you could argue without cussing and swearing as in the part of your post I had to crop for the sake of manners. But given that you are repeating a question that has been time and time answered in another thread it is perhaps a bit too much to ask:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... n&start=60

The answer to your inquiry is simple and requires no more than a question that you should have been able to ask your self already, which I`ll repeat again, hopefully for the last time: Is there a settlement that grants us our rights as ONE of the TWO communities in a separate zone where we are political equals, and the GC side is nothing more than a community as foreseen by the U.N. and according to this solution? In other words:

How can we according to this Resolution, as a community, be in secession/partition of an RoC that does not exist according to the definition of this Resolution to begin with?

If there is such an RoC and in that event we chose partition/secession than you are right, I shot myself in the foot, because instead of becoming a part of this specific RoC which grants us these specific rights we have chosen partition/secession. However, if there isn’t, I think you just shot yourself in the mouth

But I’m going to help you save face here: This discussion isn’t about what happened in the Cyprus conflict, how it evolved or even the legality of the current illegitimate RoC. It is about the fact that the GC side will never accept a solution to the Cyprus Problem within the legal framework of the U.N. because this framework specifically reduces them from their illegitimate nation status to a community status in the RoC that they currently navigate all by themselves. And you have generously confirmed be on that and I thank you once more:

Come to mention it God forbid if 800,000 people reduce themselves to a community...

[Pyrpolizer]

Now please explicitly state whether or not you accept that in the solution of the Cyprus Problem according to the U.N. principles in an RoC: GCs are nothing more than ONE of the TWO communities that have politically equal status to their TC partners in their seperate zone in a federated state called RoC. Do you defy the U.N. and the world on what RoC should be and what your status is in Cyprus?

ALL THESE ARE THE PRODUCTS OF YOUR USUAL SOPHISTRIES, TO WHICH YOU GOT SO MUCH STUCK THAT YOU BECAME A FANATIC. EACH AND EVERY STATEMENT ABOVE IS AT LEAST PARTIALLY WRONG.

a)The solution to the Cyprus Problem (btw what is the Cyprus Problem ) according to the UN, do you happen to have an idea-is it perhaps a problem of invasion/occupation/ethnic cleansing/stealing of properties etc?) has NOTHING to do with the UN principles! It was just a OUR vague agreement dating back from 1976 the details of which were never agreed by anyone.

b)Whether the GCs are nothing more than one of the 2 communities, it’s like telling me 82 million pounds is nothing more than 18 million pounds, they are both numbers.

c)Political equality. Finally you accepted this rhetoric term as per UN clarification to mean all those things we quoted before. Now should we jump into another rhetoric as to the REAL application of that "equality" and start pointing to the in-equalities involved? Would that make you happy to realize this "partnership" as you call it contains a lot of in-equalities that when the time comes and they finally strike you in the face, you will be mumbling like an old lady?

d)The Federal structure TO BE will not be the 1960 Constitution therefore it will not be called RoC…

e)I deny and I already explained you hundreds of times, that our acceptance to negotiate a Federal type of state structure, does not mean the present structure of the RoC is not what it should be. And neither the UN says so. The equivalent in real life would be: If you got stuck with a wife that wanted to sleep with other men, and you had no other option but to accept and sign this fullishness for your economic interests" then the lunatic wife could turn back to you and say "see this is how this marriage should have been. What we had before was illegal. !!!"

[Get Real!]

Murataga,

You seem to be under the impression that you can avoid complying with age-old UN resolutions in favor of Cyprus and take bits and pieces of what suits your needs and “argue” your case? Think again!

Hence my conclusion…

SINCE WHEN HAVE YOU ACQUIRED ANY UN/SC RESOLUTION RIGHTS GIVEN THAT YOU ARE THE WORLD’S WORST OFFENDER OF THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS???

A thief cannot cry “foul” unless he wants to make a dork of himself and unfortunately you don't seem to mind because you are... SHAMELESS!

[bigOz]

I wish you would leave wives and relatives out of your arguments Pyrpolizer. I am sure no one is amused or enjoy reading such examples - although used as an imaginary scenario it is offending and very insulting.

In fact if you care to read what you just wrote, even you wouldn't understand what on earth you were trying to say! If you explained that in plain English rather than an exaggerated example, I am sure we would all have got your point easier. Nevertheless I am non the wiser on this occasion!

[Pyrpolizer]

In the absence of our rights being granted, which is politically equal partnerhip as ONE of the TWO communities with a seperate zone, no one has the right to tell us what we are supposed to be doing.

YOUR RIGHTS??? This is the biggest joke I ever heard from you sophistry man. You rights huh?

Listen man for the last time. We accepted a Federal structure in 1976. The details were never agreed. You jump into conclussions and you claim you know the details, and even tell us those are your rights??? No man, we accepted to give you those priviledges (not rights) so that We get our inherited/universally accepted/ UN accredited/ HUMAN RIGHTS back!!! You know which are those human rights we want back? It is our properties back, our ancestral homes back, our part of country back, your settlers out. So far we got nothing therefore you are also getting any priviledges either.

So SophistryMan you are once again confusing priviledges you may be getting in a future TOTAL agreement as if they are your UNCONDITIONAL rights.

Once again a real life example might help you.
A Banker agreed with Murataga that if he deposits 1 million pounds he will in one year take 40,000 pounds interest (4%).
Lunatic Murataga (without even installing 1 penny at the bank) is on 4/7/2008 sitting outside the Bank screaming and shouting because the bank has stolen his 40,000 pounds RIGHTS

[Murataga]

I wish you would leave wives and relatives out of your arguments Pyrpolizer. I am sure no one is amused or enjoy reading such examples - although used as an imaginary scenario it is offending and very insulting.

In fact if you care to read what you just wrote, even you wouldn't understand what on earth you were trying to say! If you explained that in plain English rather than an exaggerated example, I am sure we would all have got your point easier. Nevertheless I am non the wiser on this occasion!

bigOz- Never mind for I`ve stopped counting long ago the threats, insults and cussing I`ve received for my opinions... You know the old saying: "A person is how he speaks".

I`ve explained all the points Pyrpolizer made many times in the past. Unfortunately, it is no different than talking to a brick wall, and frankly I have no intention of responding again. Pyrpolizer is a genuine guy that has my respect and I`m sure he didn`t mean any harm but I have had enough with replying to egoistic posts, so I`m just going to let it go.

[Pyrpolizer]

I wish you would leave wives and relatives out of your arguments Pyrpolizer. I am sure no one is amused or enjoy reading such examples - although used as an imaginary scenario it is offending and very insulting.

In fact if you care to read what you just wrote, even you wouldn't understand what on earth you were trying to say! If you explained that in plain English rather than an exaggerated example, I am sure we would all have got your point easier. Nevertheless I am non the wiser on this occasion!

"You" here is plural or impersonal my friend. No insult meant. In fact "you" there could be me or even Hocas wife.Anyway I my next real life example I used a Banker

Hope you understand that one better.

[Pyrpolizer]

Murataga,

I am sorry but you never answered my points (remember the UN resolutions, the political equality stuff which you always avoided saying what exactly the UN said etc etc?) Even the part in this thread about the political equalityis a copy paste FROM MY OWN HAND TYPING. (Because old UN documents do not appear as text anymore)

The one and only time you responded to my posts you wrote a long novel, that indeed silenced me up. You know why?











































I fell asleep while reading it

[Get Real!]

The sooner you understand that the racist views you and your likes possess have no room in today's world and definitely none in EU, the better for your blood pressure!

Racism is when you ethnically cleanse 200,000 GS’s from the northern part of Cyprus and create a Turkic canton and that should never be confused with when a indigenous Cypriot reminds you of your Ottoman origins which can be easily verified with a good History reference.

Read about the history of the indiginous Cypriot and show the appropriate respect if you are to be ever accepted here.

http://www.mcw.gov.cy/mcw/da/da.nsf/DML ... enDocument