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[Piratis]

Piratis, in view of the fact that a large proportion of TCs that currently hold a RoC citizenship (and also via it an EU citizenship) will most likely opt to retain their status and remain within the boundaries of the area under the RoC, and because no EU country has the right to eradicate such citizenship status to anyone of its people without their personal consent; would you agree that depending on the proportion of such TCs choosing to hold on to their current RoC status, there should be a further equivalent proportional reduction in the area that will be partitioned for the TCs? What I mean by that is that if let's say 50% of TCs will choose to retain their RoC and EU status, then the area of the partitioned state will have to come down to 9% of the area of Cyprus, etc.

An easier way would be to first have a referendum just among TCs to ask them if they want to return to RoC. If they reject this, then after a few days the second (above) referendum can follow for both GCs and TCs.

The Annan plan has shown that it is not really a problem for the UN to make a plan that goes against some of its own principles, and the EU had also accepted to close its eyes to this in case the majorities of people on both sides accepted it. So I don't think it will be a problem for them.

Of course your proposal could also be an option (different than this one) where they would ask each Turkish Cypriot if they want to be part of RoC or part of a separate TC state. Then they will count how many TCs want a separate state and give to them a part of land proportionately based on how many they are. This sounds fair also, but now lets see how many would accept what I proposed.

So what would you vote in case the above was in a referendum approved by UN and EU?

[Piratis]

Even if we all agreed on partition it would take us another 40 years to agree on percentages and another 40 years to decide what part of the land goes to whom.

Not really. We will not agree on partition unless you agree on the fair land and coastline distribution of 18%-82%. So those two parts can be resolved very quickly.
Then I believe 1 year max of negotiations will be enough to determine which 18% TCs will keep and which 82% GCs will keep.

[Murataga]

Piratis, in view of the fact that a large proportion of TCs that currently hold a RoC citizenship (and also via it an EU citizenship) will most likely opt to retain their status and remain within the boundaries of the area under the RoC, and because no EU country has the right to eradicate such citizenship status to anyone of its people without their personal consent; would you agree that depending on the proportion of such TCs choosing to hold on to their current RoC status, there should be a further equivalent proportional reduction in the area that will be partitioned for the TCs? What I mean by that is that if let's say 50% of TCs will choose to retain their RoC and EU status, then the area of the partitioned state will have to come down to 9% of the area of Cyprus, etc.

An easier way would be to first have a referendum just among TCs to ask them if they want to return to RoC. If they reject this, then after a few days the second (above) referendum can follow for both GCs and TCs.

The Annan plan has shown that it is not really a problem for the UN to make a plan that goes against some of its own principles, and the EU had also accepted to close its eyes to this in case the majorities of people on both sides accepted it. So I don't think it will be a problem for them.

Of course your proposal could also be an option (different than this one) where they would ask each Turkish Cypriot if they want to be part of RoC or part of a separate TC state. Then they will count how many TCs want a separate state and give to them a part of land proportionately based on how many they are. This sounds fair also, but now lets see how many would accept what I proposed.

So what would you vote in case the above was in a referendum approved by UN and EU?

Wait just one darn minute... I think you forgot to mention one thing in your proposal items. You think according to this scheme the Greek community, ONE of the TWO communities of Cyprus, gets away with the title/privelages/rights of the ROC. How convenient... You concluded from my assertion above a "No" answer. It wasnt exactly a "No", but was just pointing out some reasonable explanation to you which as usual was fruitless. But if in your solution you are getting away with your theft of usurpation of the title RoC: you can put my vote under "HELL NO!".

[DT.]

Piratis, in view of the fact that a large proportion of TCs that currently hold a RoC citizenship (and also via it an EU citizenship) will most likely opt to retain their status and remain within the boundaries of the area under the RoC, and because no EU country has the right to eradicate such citizenship status to anyone of its people without their personal consent; would you agree that depending on the proportion of such TCs choosing to hold on to their current RoC status, there should be a further equivalent proportional reduction in the area that will be partitioned for the TCs? What I mean by that is that if let's say 50% of TCs will choose to retain their RoC and EU status, then the area of the partitioned state will have to come down to 9% of the area of Cyprus, etc.

An easier way would be to first have a referendum just among TCs to ask them if they want to return to RoC. If they reject this, then after a few days the second (above) referendum can follow for both GCs and TCs.

The Annan plan has shown that it is not really a problem for the UN to make a plan that goes against some of its own principles, and the EU had also accepted to close its eyes to this in case the majorities of people on both sides accepted it. So I don't think it will be a problem for them.

Of course your proposal could also be an option (different than this one) where they would ask each Turkish Cypriot if they want to be part of RoC or part of a separate TC state. Then they will count how many TCs want a separate state and give to them a part of land proportionately based on how many they are. This sounds fair also, but now lets see how many would accept what I proposed.

So what would you vote in case the above was in a referendum approved by UN and EU?

Wait just one darn minute... I think you forgot to mention one thing in your proposal items. You think according to this scheme the Greek community, ONE of the TWO communities of Cyprus, gets away with the title/privelages/rights of the ROC. How convenient... You concluded from my assertion above a "No" answer. It wasnt exactly a "No", but was just pointing out some reasonable explanation to you which as usual was fruitless. But if in your solution you are getting away with your theft of usurpation of the title RoC: you can put my vote under "HELL NO!".

he's took the land he wanted and now he's back for the name as well.

This guy is priceless

[Kifeas]

Wait just one darn minute... I think you forgot to mention one thing in your proposal items. You think according to this scheme the Greek community, ONE of the TWO communities of Cyprus, gets away with the title/privelages/rights of the ROC. How convenient... You concluded from my assertion above a "No" answer. It wasnt exactly a "No", but was just pointing out some reasonable explanation to you which as usual was fruitless. But if in your solution you are getting away with your theft of usurpation of the title RoC: you can put my vote under "HELL NO!".

Moutarga, I am afraid you continue to talk crap!

1.) It is not us that want the partition from the RoC, but it is you!
2.) It is not us that do not recognise the RoC, but it is you! How on earth do you want part of the status and title of something you anyway do not recognise its existence!
3.) Piratis said that once the splitting is agreed, you will become a recognised separate entity, just like the RoC currently is, therefore, where is your problem?

[Get Real!]

For as long as the indigenous Cypriots are blackmailed and/or forced by an outside power into accepting one political and/or territorial arrangement or another then I can never give my blessing to it.

I have a very strong sense of my Cypriot indigenousness; not just that of the last 3-4 centuries but that of the many millenniums it spans for so to me the Ottoman invasion of 1571 is a very recent event in the history of my country and one of many of the dark events of this island’s turbulent history.

I never allow myself to just concentrate on the contemporary history of Cyprus because I am very much aware that I am merely passing through in life, just as millions of Cypriots have done so before me, so I therefore acknowledge that I HAVE NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER TO DONATE ANY PART OF THE COUNTRY I HAVE INHERITTED TO ANY FOREIGNER regardless of the pressure I am under.

I refuse to be part of any scheme that literally hands out a portion of my sacred land to any foreigner as I do not wish to be remembered by my Cypriot successors as one of the foolish generation that crumbled under petty pressure without the slightest fight and embarked on a carving up campaign!

How dare you Cypriots of today think you have the right to carve up that country, with the 10,000 year old history, which you have been entrusted with so that you may pass it on in good health to the next generations?

If you, the indigenous Cypriot have no respect for your motherland Cyprus, how can you expect any of these foreigners to respect you or what you call your country?

[humanist]

1) Agree on partition based on a fair land (and coast) distribution of 18% for TCs -82% for GCs

No way am I giving my country away. If TC's don't want Unification too bad. So long as my family do not have the right of return to my grandmother's property and the freedom to choose what we do with it I am not in my lifetime going to agree to partition of any kind, my friend.

This is not about TC"s as we have seen many times before, this is about Ankaras aspirations.

[Kifeas]

“Get Real,” relax! Do not get overexcited! We are only doing an exercise here!

As you can see, the proposed by Piratis way of splitting is not accepted by the Turks, anyway!

According to Moutarga’s “1960 50:50 partnership theory,” we still “owe” them the “return” of an additional 13% more of what they now occupy!

[zan]

For as long as the indigenous Cypriots are blackmailed and/or forced by an outside power into accepting one political and/or territorial arrangement or another then I can never give my blessing to it.

I have a very strong sense of my Cypriot indigenousness; not just that of the last 3-4 centuries but that of the many millenniums it spans for so to me the Ottoman invasion of 1571 is a very recent event in the history of my country and one of many of the dark events of this island’s turbulent history.

I never allow myself to just concentrate on the contemporary history of Cyprus because I am very much aware that I am merely passing through in life, just as millions of Cypriots have done so before me, so I therefore acknowledge that I HAVE NO AUTHORITY WHATSOEVER TO DONATE ANY PART OF THE COUNTRY I HAVE INHERITTED TO ANY FOREIGNER regardless of the pressure I am under.

I refuse to be part of any scheme that literally hands out a portion of my sacred land to any foreigner as I do not wish to be remembered by my Cypriot successors as one of the foolish generation that crumbled under petty pressure without the slightest fight and embarked on a carving up campaign!

How dare you Cypriots of today think you have the right to carve up that country, with the 10,000 year old history, which you have been entrusted with so that you may pass it on in good health to the next generations?

If you, the indigenous Cypriot have no respect for your motherland Cyprus, how can you expect any of these foreigners to respect you or what you call your country?

At least you and Humanist are showing a bit of integrity even if it is a misplaced one. Thank you. As usual those two hyenas, Kifeas and Piratis seem to have a price and as long as they think they have got a better deal than we are prepared to accept then they will sell part of Cyprus to whoever wants it. The colour of those two is plain for all to see and it is just the colour of treason to the Cypriot people in total. The island is not yours to play with you pair of vultures it belongs to all Cypriots.


As for You GR and Humanist you make claim to the island in a completely different way in trying to go over our heads and blame Turkey. What do you say to real Turkish Cypriots that say to you that it is time to split even if we are to carry on talking about reunification? The fact of the matter is that the power sharing for the time being at least has to be implemented until we can be sure that the island is in the hands of Cypriots from both sides and not in the hands of those like Kifeas and Piratis. We, Turkish Cypriots want and demand our share. How dare you tell us no. Who the hell are you.

[MR-from-NG]

The future of Cyprus is entirely in the GCs hands but nothing can be achieved as long as Papadopulos is in power. You get rid of him you get rid of the Cyprob.