If anyone is expecting the Turkish government to compromise on Cyprus, they should think again. See how openly the AKP’s election declaration is below on no compromise regarding the Cyprus issue. Isn’t this statement a slap in the face to the EU and the UN who wish to start settlement talks? Is there any wonder why Croatia leaped by Turkey on EU talks?
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AKP’s election declaration on Cyprus issue
29.06.2007
http://www.observercyprus.com/observer/ ... px?id=1853
In the electoral declaration of the Justice and Development Party (AKP), the Cyprus Problem was on the list, “Turkey was under great pressure concerning the Cyprus Problem in 2002, however due to our active policies we have come to a stage that requires no compromise regarding our national interest ridding us from the pressure and gained great manoeuvrability in the international arena. Not a single soldier was recalled from Cyprus and not an inch of land was given to come to this stage.” It was stated in the declaration that in the future the interests in the Eastern Mediterranean and the interests of the Turkish Cypriots will also be strictly defended with strategies based on strong policies and said; “There will be a pro-active diplomacy process concerning the Cyprus Problem.”
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by joe » Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:49 pm
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by cypezokyli » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:25 pm
what do you expect to read in a party declaration, weeks before elections, in a clima of nationalist hysteria ?
if you expect that erdogan (or any other turkish politician) will adapt the gc position then you will have to wait for a while.
if you compare him with the rest of the candidated, then i would for sure prefer erdogan.
he is way more pragmatic..... and sadly for us, a pretty good diplomat.
if you expect that erdogan (or any other turkish politician) will adapt the gc position then you will have to wait for a while.
if you compare him with the rest of the candidated, then i would for sure prefer erdogan.
he is way more pragmatic..... and sadly for us, a pretty good diplomat.
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by humanist » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:21 pm
Turkey is not going to compromise anything on Cyprus, their stupidity so that they would rather miss out on EU membership and allow Turkish speaking Cypriots to live in isolation to meet their own power and political bullying needs.
THe UN and the International arena are to blame for the Cyprus situation. They have decided to apply economic embargo on the occupied areas of Cyprus instead of applying pressure on Turkey to move its occupation regime from the Island. The main issue comes back to profits and oils. They had decided that Iraq needed a democracy so they went in to destroy the country and rebuild it. Yes in the guise of war on terrorism. Bull damgers (where's Soto with his artistic capabilities). They supported Kwait in the 90"s yes you guessed it OIL. Why are they Not intervening in the Cyprus situation if they believe in Justice and Peace. The UN is nothing but a corrupt entity yes you guessed it to meet the American need, (how convenient is it that its headquarters sits in NY).
I do hope there is OIL in Cyprus's waters, because it will be the only thing that will save Cyprus from the barbaric hands of Turks. As soon as that OIL comes out and the US smells it you will see that pressure will be applied to Turkey and Cyprus will be freed.
Having said that stop for a minute and think of the costs to human life and the price Cypriots on both sides of the divide had to ay in the last 33 years.
THe UN and the International arena are to blame for the Cyprus situation. They have decided to apply economic embargo on the occupied areas of Cyprus instead of applying pressure on Turkey to move its occupation regime from the Island. The main issue comes back to profits and oils. They had decided that Iraq needed a democracy so they went in to destroy the country and rebuild it. Yes in the guise of war on terrorism. Bull damgers (where's Soto with his artistic capabilities). They supported Kwait in the 90"s yes you guessed it OIL. Why are they Not intervening in the Cyprus situation if they believe in Justice and Peace. The UN is nothing but a corrupt entity yes you guessed it to meet the American need, (how convenient is it that its headquarters sits in NY).
I do hope there is OIL in Cyprus's waters, because it will be the only thing that will save Cyprus from the barbaric hands of Turks. As soon as that OIL comes out and the US smells it you will see that pressure will be applied to Turkey and Cyprus will be freed.
Having said that stop for a minute and think of the costs to human life and the price Cypriots on both sides of the divide had to ay in the last 33 years.
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by zan » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:44 pm
humanist wrote:Turkey is not going to compromise anything on Cyprus, their stupidity so that they would rather miss out on EU membership and allow Turkish speaking Cypriots to live in isolation to meet their own power and political bullying needs.
THe UN and the International arena are to blame for the Cyprus situation. They have decided to apply economic embargo on the occupied areas of Cyprus instead of applying pressure on Turkey to move its occupation regime from the Island. The main issue comes back to profits and oils. They had decided that Iraq needed a democracy so they went in to destroy the country and rebuild it. Yes in the guise of war on terrorism. Bull damgers (where's Soto with his artistic capabilities). They supported Kwait in the 90"s yes you guessed it OIL. Why are they Not intervening in the Cyprus situation if they believe in Justice and Peace. The UN is nothing but a corrupt entity yes you guessed it to meet the American need, (how convenient is it that its headquarters sits in NY).
I do hope there is OIL in Cyprus's waters, because it will be the only thing that will save Cyprus from the barbaric hands of Turks. As soon as that OIL comes out and the US smells it you will see that pressure will be applied to Turkey and Cyprus will be freed.
Having said that stop for a minute and think of the costs to human life and the price Cypriots on both sides of the divide had to ay in the last 33 years.
The only barbarian is you that all of a sudden thinks he understands the whole situation. Keep reading my friend and your barbaric brain might just transform into something that is usable. I am still waiting for an appology for your false accussations against me.
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by joe » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:34 am
from cypezokyli
I will tell you what I would expect from an EU candidate nation. All EU member States have normalized relations with fellow EU member States. I mean, there is, for example, no hostility between Bulgaria and Romania. Turkey is seeking EU membership and is being told as part of its criteria that it must normalize relations with fellow EU members, is it not? It is not a "gc position" its an EU criteria that would-be members must fulfill. If the Greek government were to openly say that “there will be no compromise regarding our national interests in Cyprus” come election time or when ever, what would the EU reaction be? What would the Turkish reaction be? Even Cypriot politicians would balk at such a statement. Maybe you are just used to such statements coming out of Ankara. We certainly dont have an interest in seeing Turkey looking eastward but the year is 2007 not 1955. The Turkish Prime minister is openly telling us and the people of Turkey that there will be no compromise regarding Turkey's national interest with regard to Cyprus. Election or no election--When the pragmatic Turkish PM tells you his position on Cyprus, you listen and listen carefully as he is revealing his hand on how he plans to proceed with future Cypriot developments. Let us go back last year when it wasn’t election time in Turkey and we had no idea that Turkey was heading for early elections this year because of certain events that have transpired. Turkey was asked by the EU to open its ports to Cyprus. The Turkish Prime Minister stated sure but only if the isolation of the TRNC ends. He further went on to say if the EU negotiations halt because of this stance well “then let them halt.” In fact, he held on to this position till the very end. This is the same position he has today, no deviation what so ever. A pragmatic PM he may very well be but his position vis-a-vis Cyprus is one that is in line with traditional Turkish perspectives.
what do you expect to read in a party declaration, weeks before elections, in a clima of nationalist hysteria ?
if you expect that erdogan (or any other turkish politician) will adapt the gc position then you will have to wait for a while.
if you compare him with the rest of the candidated, then i would for sure prefer erdogan.
he is way more pragmatic..... and sadly for us, a pretty good diplomat.
I will tell you what I would expect from an EU candidate nation. All EU member States have normalized relations with fellow EU member States. I mean, there is, for example, no hostility between Bulgaria and Romania. Turkey is seeking EU membership and is being told as part of its criteria that it must normalize relations with fellow EU members, is it not? It is not a "gc position" its an EU criteria that would-be members must fulfill. If the Greek government were to openly say that “there will be no compromise regarding our national interests in Cyprus” come election time or when ever, what would the EU reaction be? What would the Turkish reaction be? Even Cypriot politicians would balk at such a statement. Maybe you are just used to such statements coming out of Ankara. We certainly dont have an interest in seeing Turkey looking eastward but the year is 2007 not 1955. The Turkish Prime minister is openly telling us and the people of Turkey that there will be no compromise regarding Turkey's national interest with regard to Cyprus. Election or no election--When the pragmatic Turkish PM tells you his position on Cyprus, you listen and listen carefully as he is revealing his hand on how he plans to proceed with future Cypriot developments. Let us go back last year when it wasn’t election time in Turkey and we had no idea that Turkey was heading for early elections this year because of certain events that have transpired. Turkey was asked by the EU to open its ports to Cyprus. The Turkish Prime Minister stated sure but only if the isolation of the TRNC ends. He further went on to say if the EU negotiations halt because of this stance well “then let them halt.” In fact, he held on to this position till the very end. This is the same position he has today, no deviation what so ever. A pragmatic PM he may very well be but his position vis-a-vis Cyprus is one that is in line with traditional Turkish perspectives.
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by cypezokyli » Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:01 am
you believe too much in politicians. you want me to remind you what our politicians say before elections ?
say that to the EU
they say it almost every single day.
the EU doesnt need to react ....
he is telling them, what they want to listen
just like our politicians do.... and thats why we like them
on the rest tomorrow....
It is not a "gc position" its an EU criteria that would-be members must fulfill.
say that to the EU
If the Greek government were to openly say that “there will be no compromise regarding our national interests in Cyprus” come election time or when ever, what would the EU reaction be? What would the Turkish reaction be?
they say it almost every single day.
the EU doesnt need to react ....
The Turkish Prime minister is openly telling us and the people of Turkey that there will be no compromise regarding Turkey's national interest with regard to Cyprus.
he is telling them, what they want to listen
just like our politicians do.... and thats why we like them
on the rest tomorrow....
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by humanist » Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:20 am
I will tell you what I would expect from an EU candidate nation. All EU member States have normalized relations with fellow EU member States. I mean, there is, for example, no hostility between Bulgaria and Romania. Turkey is seeking EU membership and is being told as part of its criteria that it must normalize relations with fellow EU members, is it not? It is not a "gc position" its an EU criteria that would-be members must fulfill. If the Greek government were to openly say that “there will be no compromise regarding our national interests in Cyprus” come election time or when ever, what would the EU reaction be? What would the Turkish reaction be? Even Cypriot politicians would balk at such a statement. Maybe you are just used to such statements coming out of Ankara. We certainly dont have an interest in seeing Turkey looking eastward but the year is 2007 not 1955. The Turkish Prime minister is openly telling us and the people of Turkey that there will be no compromise regarding Turkey's national interest with regard to Cyprus. Election or no election--When the pragmatic Turkish PM tells you his position on Cyprus, you listen and listen carefully as he is revealing his hand on how he plans to proceed with future Cypriot developments. Let us go back last year when it wasn’t election time in Turkey and we had no idea that Turkey was heading for early elections this year because of certain events that have transpired. Turkey was asked by the EU to open its ports to Cyprus. The Turkish Prime Minister stated sure but only if the isolation of the TRNC ends. He further went on to say if the EU negotiations halt because of this stance well “then let them halt.” In fact, he held on to this position till the very end. This is the same position he has today, no deviation what so ever. A pragmatic PM he may very well be but his position vis-a-vis Cyprus is one that is in line with traditional Turkish perspectives.
So his position will not change, that is okay. If he believes that the INTERNATIONALLY recognised illegal occupation of Cyprus by Turkey and the INTERNATIONALLY recognised violation of Human Rights in Cyprus is worth delays in entering the EU and gaining INTERNATIONAL respect and building a viable economy then that is entirely his choice also, I am no politician but even I can see that the cost is paid by the majority of lay Turks and as far as the Turkish Cypriots are concerned they have been paying the price for the last 33 years and will continue to do so until there is recognition of Cyprus as an EU state and a solution to the situation in Cyprus.
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by joe » Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:38 am
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Being skeptical about politicians has nothing to do with it. Who isn’t skeptical about politicians? I am, that is why I am not affiliated with any political party. And how do you compare Cyprus with Turkey? It is well known that Turkey has the 2nd largest standing force in NATO so it can pretty much do what ever it pleases.
Explain.
Uhh, this is Joe on the one and two. This goes out to all the EU members, please tell Turkey to respect the EU acquis fully!?
I didn’t realize that Nicosia was taking orders from Athens??
Obviously. But just for fun, please give me an example of where Prime Minister Erdogan declared a specific position on Cyprus and then reversed himself on said issue? Erdogan was elected back in 2003 and when he talked and continues to talk about direct trade, direct flights, not a single soldier recalled, etc—these are all positions that he has, as of yet, not veered off course. But I do note your optimism; it is good to be optimistic.
I do note a bit of sarcasm there Cypezokyli; I take it you don’t approve of the current leadership in Nicosia. If so, then perhaps in the next Cypriot election, someone more closer to your political views will come along. I don’t particularly follow Cypriot politics but I do follow world event. What I have a problem with is when other countries don’t respect Cypriot democracy as if they really don’t consider Cyprus a country, get what I am saying? Cypriots voted for the current leadership, this must be respected. An overwhelming number of Cypriots rejected the Annan plan, this must be respected.
Very good. I may reply next week.
you believe too much in politicians. you want me to remind you what our politicians say before elections ?
Being skeptical about politicians has nothing to do with it. Who isn’t skeptical about politicians? I am, that is why I am not affiliated with any political party. And how do you compare Cyprus with Turkey? It is well known that Turkey has the 2nd largest standing force in NATO so it can pretty much do what ever it pleases.
say that to the EU
Explain.
Uhh, this is Joe on the one and two. This goes out to all the EU members, please tell Turkey to respect the EU acquis fully!?
they say it almost every single day.
the EU doesnt need to react ....
I didn’t realize that Nicosia was taking orders from Athens??
he is telling them, what they want to listen
Obviously. But just for fun, please give me an example of where Prime Minister Erdogan declared a specific position on Cyprus and then reversed himself on said issue? Erdogan was elected back in 2003 and when he talked and continues to talk about direct trade, direct flights, not a single soldier recalled, etc—these are all positions that he has, as of yet, not veered off course. But I do note your optimism; it is good to be optimistic.
just like our politicians do.... and thats why we like them
I do note a bit of sarcasm there Cypezokyli; I take it you don’t approve of the current leadership in Nicosia. If so, then perhaps in the next Cypriot election, someone more closer to your political views will come along. I don’t particularly follow Cypriot politics but I do follow world event. What I have a problem with is when other countries don’t respect Cypriot democracy as if they really don’t consider Cyprus a country, get what I am saying? Cypriots voted for the current leadership, this must be respected. An overwhelming number of Cypriots rejected the Annan plan, this must be respected.
on the rest tomorrow....
Very good. I may reply next week.
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by cypezokyli » Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:42 pm
erdogan is different. not only he is different from the army, but also from most turkish PMs of the past.
not so much on the targets, but on the tactics, and on the way he view(ed) the cyppro. here is where you might misunderstand me. erdogan will represent the interests of his country, and he will do it the best way he can.
if you expect "different = removal of turkish army" then ofcource he will not be different for you. again, one needs to define "difference" .
erdogan, is a PM that controlled the whole parliament. he was in no coalition goverment, and turkey was pretty stable during his time. most of the time between 74-2003, turkey was either in military rule, or unstable coalitions. neither of the two situations can seriously discuss the cyppro.
imo he also realised that an unresolved cyppro is a burden for turkey, and that a negotiated solution does not necessarily hurt the interests of turkey.
bc of that, he also helped to remove denktash (especially in NY), and he played a huge diplomatic game, that brought us into a very difficult position.
after the referendums, he has the "yes-card", (plus the significance of turkey that was always there) which he can use. concequently , he has no reason to make concessions. so he doesnt. its as simple as that.
but from the other populist politicians that exist currently in turkey, he is the only one who can seriously negotiate a settlement.
besides, we also have to view the alternatives. baykal (the "leftist") or the nationalists, are for me way worse.... why dont you visit the websites of the opposition in turkey ? dont be shocked if you find in CHP site things like "erdogan betrayed cyprus - he made too many concessions"....
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ofcource there is the gc theory that sais, it is in our interest that nationalists or the army govern, bc then the blame will be again shifted to turkey.
not so much on the targets, but on the tactics, and on the way he view(ed) the cyppro. here is where you might misunderstand me. erdogan will represent the interests of his country, and he will do it the best way he can.
if you expect "different = removal of turkish army" then ofcource he will not be different for you. again, one needs to define "difference" .
erdogan, is a PM that controlled the whole parliament. he was in no coalition goverment, and turkey was pretty stable during his time. most of the time between 74-2003, turkey was either in military rule, or unstable coalitions. neither of the two situations can seriously discuss the cyppro.
imo he also realised that an unresolved cyppro is a burden for turkey, and that a negotiated solution does not necessarily hurt the interests of turkey.
bc of that, he also helped to remove denktash (especially in NY), and he played a huge diplomatic game, that brought us into a very difficult position.
after the referendums, he has the "yes-card", (plus the significance of turkey that was always there) which he can use. concequently , he has no reason to make concessions. so he doesnt. its as simple as that.
but from the other populist politicians that exist currently in turkey, he is the only one who can seriously negotiate a settlement.
besides, we also have to view the alternatives. baykal (the "leftist") or the nationalists, are for me way worse.... why dont you visit the websites of the opposition in turkey ? dont be shocked if you find in CHP site things like "erdogan betrayed cyprus - he made too many concessions"....
........
ofcource there is the gc theory that sais, it is in our interest that nationalists or the army govern, bc then the blame will be again shifted to turkey.
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by joe » Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:47 pm
bewildered ramblings from Cypezokyli
It feels like i have just read a political advertising for Erdogan. Before i respond to these statements of yours that are spread out irrelevantly in various directions, i would like to first ask if this post of yours is a response to my post? Wow, because if it is...
erdogan is different. not only he is different from the army, but also from most turkish PMs of the past.
not so much on the targets, but on the tactics, and on the way he view(ed) the cyppro. here is where you might misunderstand me. erdogan will represent the interests of his country, and he will do it the best way he can.
if you expect "different = removal of turkish army" then ofcource he will not be different for you. again, one needs to define "difference" .
erdogan, is a PM that controlled the whole parliament. he was in no coalition goverment, and turkey was pretty stable during his time. most of the time between 74-2003, turkey was either in military rule, or unstable coalitions. neither of the two situations can seriously discuss the cyppro.
imo he also realised that an unresolved cyppro is a burden for turkey, and that a negotiated solution does not necessarily hurt the interests of turkey.
bc of that, he also helped to remove denktash (especially in NY), and he played a huge diplomatic game, that brought us into a very difficult position.
after the referendums, he has the "yes-card", (plus the significance of turkey that was always there) which he can use. concequently , he has no reason to make concessions. so he doesnt. its as simple as that.
but from the other populist politicians that exist currently in turkey, he is the only one who can seriously negotiate a settlement.
besides, we also have to view the alternatives. baykal (the "leftist") or the nationalists, are for me way worse.... why dont you visit the websites of the opposition in turkey ? dont be shocked if you find in CHP site things like "erdogan betrayed cyprus - he made too many concessions"....
It feels like i have just read a political advertising for Erdogan. Before i respond to these statements of yours that are spread out irrelevantly in various directions, i would like to first ask if this post of yours is a response to my post? Wow, because if it is...
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