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[Jerry]

I think the most telling point in this report is the fact that the interests of the Turkish Cypriots are mentioned after "..in the future the interests in the Eastern Mediterranean..."

Looks like the AKP are thinking about Cypriot oil perhaps

Quote:-
It was stated in the declaration that in the future the interests in the Eastern Mediterranean and the interests of the Turkish Cypriots will also be strictly defended with strategies based on strong policies

[cypezokyli]

Αν, όμως, ο Ερντογάν δεν τα καταφέρει, τότε στο Κυπριακό θα υπάρξει οπισθοδρόμηση.

http://news.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_art ... 007_234462

interview of christofias in kathimerini. (this is what they chose as the central title btw)

he does NOT say that with erdogan the problem will be solved.
what he sais is that without erdogan it will be worse.

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its so refreshing that in the last weeks, christofias finally speaks !!
not on only on this subject, but in many others as well.
no reason to loose time anymore arguing (alone) . one can only say : "look what the partner of the president said"

[joe]

Cypezokyli

Αν, όμως, ο Ερντογάν δεν τα καταφέρει, τότε στο Κυπριακό θα υπάρξει οπισθοδρόμηση.


http://news.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_art ... 007_234462

interview of christofias in kathimerini. (this is what they chose as the central title btw)

he does NOT say that with erdogan the problem will be solved.
what he sais is that without erdogan it will be worse.

............

its so refreshing that in the last weeks, christofias finally speaks !!
not on only on this subject, but in many others as well.
no reason to loose time anymore arguing (alone) . one can only say : "look what the partner of the president said"

I am going to go out on a limb and will take a wild guess on your political perspective. You are an AKEL supporter. gee, i have no idea what gave me that impression.

[cypezokyli]

Cypezokyli

Αν, όμως, ο Ερντογάν δεν τα καταφέρει, τότε στο Κυπριακό θα υπάρξει οπισθοδρόμηση.


http://news.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_art ... 007_234462

interview of christofias in kathimerini. (this is what they chose as the central title btw)

he does NOT say that with erdogan the problem will be solved.
what he sais is that without erdogan it will be worse.

............

its so refreshing that in the last weeks, christofias finally speaks !!
not on only on this subject, but in many others as well.
no reason to loose time anymore arguing (alone) . one can only say : "look what the partner of the president said"

I am going to go out on a limb and will take a wild guess on your political perspective. You are an AKEL supporter. gee, i have no idea what gave me that impression.

wild predictions, usually are terribly wrong .

so was this one

and it was only obvious from the above.

[joe]

Cypezokyli:

wild predictions, usually are terribly wrong .

When I stated I was taking a “wild guess”, I was being sarcastic. I can see you posting more Christofias statements as the elections near. The candidates will inevitably try to differentiate between their policies and those of their opponents. By all means comrade cypezokyli, post all Christofia’s manifesto you want. I will however, like to go back to Erdogan’s own election declaration. Snippet below:

“…we have come to a stage that requires no compromise regarding our national interest ridding us from the pressure and gained great maneuverability in the international arena. Not a single soldier was recalled from Cyprus and not an inch of land was given to come to this stage.”

A snippet of your reply to Erdogan's statement:
Cypezokyli:

what do you expect to read in a party declaration, weeks before elections, in a clima of nationalist hysteria ?

A snippet of my reply to you:

When the pragmatic Turkish PM tells you his position on Cyprus, you listen and listen carefully as he is revealing his hand on how he plans to proceed with future Cypriot developments.

You reply again, a snippet of that reply:

he is telling them, what they want to listen
just like our politicians do.... and thats why we like them

A snippet of my second reply to you:

Obviously. But just for fun, please give me an example of where Prime Minister Erdogan declared a specific position on Cyprus and then reversed himself on said issue? Erdogan was elected back in 2003 and when he talked and continues to talk about direct trade, direct flights, not a single soldier recalled, etc—these are all positions that he has, as of yet, not veered off course.

You reply once more, a snippet of that reply:

if you expect "different = removal of turkish army" then ofcource he will not be different for you. again, one needs to define "difference" .

And that is when I thought to myself—what?

So, go ahead, give us another reply…add five or six smiley faces to the end of your statement and maybe we will do it again in some other thread. Ok, take care.

[bigOz]

Cypezokyli

Αν, όμως, ο Ερντογάν δεν τα καταφέρει, τότε στο Κυπριακό θα υπάρξει οπισθοδρόμηση.


http://news.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_art ... 007_234462

interview of christofias in kathimerini. (this is what they chose as the central title btw)

he does NOT say that with erdogan the problem will be solved.
what he sais is that without erdogan it will be worse.

............

its so refreshing that in the last weeks, christofias finally speaks !!
not on only on this subject, but in many others as well.
no reason to loose time anymore arguing (alone) . one can only say : "look what the partner of the president said"

I am going to go out on a limb and will take a wild guess on your political perspective. You are an AKEL supporter. gee, i have no idea what gave me that impression.

And what is it you find offensive in AKEL policies? Sorry but as a TC I am just asking for enlightment, no motives here!

what do you expect to read in a party declaration, weeks before elections, in a clima of nationalist hysteria ?

if you expect that erdogan (or any other turkish politician) will adapt the gc position then you will have to wait for a while.

if you compare him with the rest of the candidated, then i would for sure prefer erdogan.
he is way more pragmatic..... and sadly for us, a pretty good diplomat.

The above really sums it up for me - well said!

As for the Cyprus oil everyone keep going on about, it really makes me laugh how some of you are really getting carried away! What oil? Where? Do any of you have any idea for how many decades both Greece and Turkey had been searching for oil in the AEGEAN? They will find exactly the same in the waters around Cyprus - sweet fuck all!

And even if they do find something they will probably think it is not economically worth drilling for! Somehow, I feel this is another plot by the expired North Sea Oil platform owners, trying to create a market where they can flog their idle equipment...

This forum never seems to amaze me!

[denizaksulu]

[quote="joe"]from cypezokyli
[quote]what do you expect to read in a party declaration, weeks before elections, in a clima of nationalist hysteria ?


I will tell you what I would expect from an EU candidate nation. All EU member States have normalized relations with fellow EU member States. I mean, there is, for example, no hostility between Bulgaria and Romania. Turkey is seeking EU membership and is being told as part of its criteria that it must normalize relations with fellow EU members, is it not?

What do you mean by 'normalise relations?' According to some - GR- Turkey and Cyprus have been at war since 1571. Whats changed. Nothing. Accordingly that is normal. Normal state of affairs.

[cypezokyli]

I can see you posting more Christofias statements as the elections near.

bc you are not too long in the forum.
i have numerous times critised christofias for his support of tpap.

the main one, is bc AKEL should have stood up to its history and protect dysi, from the mud throwing that was going on around.

you can not imagine how much i enjoyed, the article in Paron newspaper, which claimed that AKEL is playing the game of the americans. AKEL deserved such an article, just to realise with what kind of people it has been coopearating.


lastly, "comrade" Joe, why do you think christofias made such a statement ?

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as for the rest it is pretty simple.

if you are in a position to compare AKP, CHP and the clown of grey wolves, then you might wake up. we cannot expect a "good" (good according to us) turkish president. the best we can hope for is the less evil one. and thats undoubtetly erdogan. compare....thats the key word

and you havent been doing that up to now

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i ve told you before. Dont read party declarations. especially when it comes to national targets. Our parties official declarations for years were "all armies go, all settlers go, all refuggees return" , while they knew that this was not possible. they sold it to us and we believed them.

[joe]

bigOz:

And what is it you find offensive in AKEL policies?

Is there a language barrier here? Where did i state that i find AKEL policies offensive? I am not a communist but i never stated that i find AKEL's policies offensive. In fact, i have never criticized any Cypriot political party, quite frankly...i do not follow Cypriot politics.

As for the Cyprus oil

Who is talking about oil? Maybe you should start a new thread about Cyprus oil. The subject here is Erdogan's electoral declaration on no compromise on Cyprus.

Have a good one.

[Christine Toskos]

Turkish people are not allow to speak their minds. They themselves know that Cyprus is a Greek island and they have no legal rights on the Greek island of Cyprus. They don't even have legal rights in Greek Asia Minor. Why the Turks so stubborn? They are barbarians and they hate what they cannot have. They want to be Greek but can a cat be a dog? No! Turks are uneducated and murderers. Greeks are educated and civilized. Turks have a right to return to their homeland of Turkmenistan. I believe the best thing for the world is for all Turks including the Turkish Cypriots return to their homeland of Turkmenistan. Good -Bye Turks and don't let the door slam your ass on the way out of GREECE: CYPRUS, SYMRNA, PONTIA, CONSTANTINOPLE AND ALL OF ASIA MINOR!!!!!!