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[humanist]

I don't know how many times you can second a statement but I also second that too.

[Jerry]

Nice pictures but whay I find sad is that without any prior knowledge you cannot tell who is GC and who is TC. Cypriots are the same people with shared genetics pulled apart by religion and nationalism.

[LENA]

T_C thank you for letting me know about this thread … it took some of my valuable time to read all this pages…not that I went through very very carefully (especially the last few pages) but I manage to pick up some points to comment.

First of all…Zan yes are the real person…I guaranty Halil and T_C (I know you was only kidding but I thought to say it again in case you were moody again :wink). By the way T_C are you messing around with my nerves? You look more dark…are you having great time in Cyprus… Kidding

Anyway I forgive you if you keep your promise for the tall guys

Piratis…I don’t understand you anymore…I used to agree with you at some point at the beginning…but now you are worst than VP…I said that VP can not see beyond his nose…meaning that he doesn’t accept our side of the issue…but you became worst. I am not saying that you don’t accept that we had made mistakes in the past like VP does, but you sound like an old man who moan all the time. My advice to you… try and be part of those meetings, it will be good for you, trust me. Discussing face to face those things will make you see things which can not be said in this forum but can be seen in their eyes. Try to do it once…I am not saying that you will solve the Cyprus problem by that or you will get Papadopoulos or Talat or anybody else in your table but at least you might get some more TC toward unification, so you will earn something apart from some friends if you don’t insult anybody…by the way if you are going to attend in a meeting like this one in the future, get VP with you…he needs that too.

Iceman said something that earn my respect…that you “earn respect”…is not given to anybody…and I am sorry for you Piratis but as far as I notice you lose respect lately and not earn any with your post. You turned a lovely thread into an argument whether this kind of meetings are good or not.

By the way guy made up your mind about the meal. DT said it was crap…iceman said it was great…so did you had the same meal or what???

Andrea I was excited (and a bit jealous as well) with the meeting, all this lovely guys all together, sitting and drinking or better listening Halil but don’t show your excitement so much…:wink: kidding…by the way guys why no women were invited???

As for the photos looks really nice…thanks guys…by the way I was expecting Get Real more good looking since he mention all this ladies around him…DT…as I imagine him …Bananiot looks like one of my teachers in school…are you a teacher by any chance??? ….Iceman classic Cypriot block…and I must admit that I need to pay more attention to his post from now on….and as far for the last two gentlemen…I already know them …but happy to see their faces again. By the way Halil what is going on with your trip…are you going or not? I didn’t have much chance to talk to you lately…sorry I was soooooo busy….


Thanks again bebegim for the link

[T_C]

Yes Lena, I am dark but peeling like an onion .

I will see what I can do about the ''tall ones'' for you

Give me some more time, I will send some photo evidence to your Email inbox in the next few days...

Bye for now I will email you again!

BTW: Right now I wish I was in London coz its hot but NOT in a good way AT ALL. This is what HELL must be like....

[humanist]

Lena your back< yeaeeeeeee ............ so what the deal between you and young T-C and the tall guys? No!! really? am I thinking what am thinking?

Are you guys winging for 40C, gee wiz, I grew up with 45C ..... 40C is a breeze :0 Poor Trodos though ........ Just out of curiosity did the "trnc" send fire brigates to assist in fighting the blaze?

[Piratis]

Lena, I never said that the meetings can be bad or harmful. On the contrary I said that for many things they can be good, having good fun for example.
What I said is that I don't see what TCs support (which is based on their interests) changing due to friendships or anything else. I will go one step further and say that they might even change their opinion on things, but still when the time comes to vote or take a decision they will still do whats for their own interest and our human rights and land will not be a factor for them.

Prove me wrong on that and I will be very very glad you did and I will accept that my judgment was wrong. On the other hand if you prove me right then I will be sad, but at least I will know that for once more my judgment was correct.

[Viewpoint]

Lena, I never said that the meetings can be bad or harmful. On the contrary I said that for many things they can be good, having good fun for example.
What I said is that I don't see what TCs support (which is based on their interests) changing due to friendships or anything else. I will go one step further and say that they might even change their opinion on things, but still when the time comes to vote or take a decision they will still do whats for their own interest and our human rights and land will not be a factor for them.

Prove me wrong on that and I will be very very glad you did and I will accept that my judgment was wrong. On the other hand if you prove me right then I will be sad, but at least I will know that for once more my judgment was correct.

Your logic is correct and for once I agree but of course it cuts both ways the GCs do not really desire a compromised solution they want everything hteir own way because they are comfortbale with fact that they represent the numerical majority which makes us uneasy due to their past track record of dealing with equality and human rights. People from both sides have been meeting regualrly for 4 years now and you can see GCs and many family funstions in the north but as Piratis says it doesnt change a thing in relation to solving the Cyprus problem, Id even go as far to say that now people can see exactly what the other side are like and can decide whether they wish to unite the TCs even have the option of moving to the GC south which to date they have refused to do..do GCs ask themselves why? or are they so thicked skinned they they still have the belief that the TRNC is making them stay against their own free will.

[Piratis]

GCs do not really desire a compromised solution they want everything hteir own way because they are comfortbale with fact that they represent the numerical majority which makes us uneasy due to their past track record of dealing with equality and human rights.

In the past I said that I would even consider partition if you accepted an 18%-82% split. You did not. This revealed beyond any doubt that the only thing that you want is to use the big guns of Turkey to gain on our loss. Everything else are lame excuses.

[LENA]

@T_C
I like to clean the skin when you burn from the sun…can I do that??? Pleaseeee!!!

I am like a baby remember…promise is a promise and I want my tall ones

I can not wait for that email…

As for the hot well is better to wish to rain because is sunny and hot than wish to rain because is cloudy and hot…Bloody UK I hate the heather…the last few days is driving me crazy with an hour the weather change 5 times…rain, sunny, hot, rain, cold, cloudy…. Hell is in UK…paradise is in Cyprus…if you are lost I can give directions :p

@Humanist
Humanist my dear…I am sorry that I will let you down … but no I am not back yet…is just that I got the link from T_C and couldn’t resist…I will be back soon…but not now. As for the tall guys I guess you and T_C will have a fight on that…lucky me all the tall ones for me

@Piratis
Piratis really I don’t have time to debate now or argue with you…but you said that meetings like this one can not give anything to Cyprus problem …. Well you are wrong…they can. How? Well in my view and putting my self in your place…since you thing they will change their opinion on things why you don’t trust them that might change their views permanently and you thing that they will change to please you? Your problem Piratis is that you don’t trust them…and you don’t trust them because they are TC…why is that Piratis? I s it because the way you grow up? The things you have been learning from years? You claim that you don’t accept things that others gives you but you are selective according to you judgment. What you prove with your words is what you said earlier … somewhere to others (sorry but I don’t have time to find your words now)…you have nothing to offer to Cyprus problem. Why are you here claiming that you have? You don’t even accept that personal dialogue might change things for our island but the only product you see from this kind of meetings is the entertainment of your self.

Why human rights and land are not factors for them? They are not humans? They haven’t lost properties? They didn’t suffer? Piratis I am sorry for your views. Why people change through the forum? I used to read your views and be proud to be your compatriot.

By the way if I am right VP accept partition on a small rate and I think is the 18%-82%...but I am not sure!


@VP
As for you VP I will not comment much on your post because for me is ridiculous…I will say only couple of things to you…what you see in the north the last few years are people/families visiting their land and having fun (not that I agree completely but it is their right), doesn’t mean that all of them they went there to visit TC and via versa. Yes we have TC families/people visiting GC families/people and the opposite, but that is not something that the majority does. Especially after the Anan plan TC lost their trust and they cut some of their connections because of the bitterness taste that the OXI left them. I have seen people changing views the last six months, I have seen TC views and GC views really close and what you say about GC want a solution that will suit them is not true. They are willing to accept things because they saw that they can not earn many things by not stepping back. On the other hand I saw TC wanting partition or at the worst option keep the current situation.

But all this are a bit meaningless to me. To tell you the truth if I can do something on my own without having the rest of the GC following me I will do it…that is our difference VP. You are scared to do something on your own…you are scared to be judge…I don’t blame you for that, but is not my way. You don’t even want to meet other members of the forum or any GC!

[T_C]

Piratis mate back in the day GCs were OK when it was them forcing TCs out of their homes while looting them etc...and that was something YOU STARTED FIRST . And since its ok for you to mention the Ottomans all the time to try elevate your suffering, well I hope you will take some of your own medicine and accept that this was something YOU started.

I don't doubt that you've been through the same things but its your approach thats just wrong!

The same reason you're angry is the same reason we're angry. These people arent sticking with the TRNC because of how much land they have but because they really don't feel as though they can live peacefully with you for the same reasons you don't think you can live with them while they administrate themselves in the North. I really don't think you know the conditions TCs have had to endure in the TRNC during the years...these people have prefered to not even get paid properly at times than live with you!!!

You must come to realise and accept the only reason TCs dont want to live with you is because of what they went through! This is why these people have a problem living with you NOT because of how much land they have . If they were guilty fair enough but they were INNOCENT! I accept the same happened to you but you will hardly find ANY TC who will want to move to the RoC to live with you at this present time and BELIEVE YOU ME A LOT of them are in a much worse situation than they ever were while living with GCs back in those days yet they when I ask them what they think of a unitary state they say: ''Allah korusun'' which basically means ''God forbid''.

The same way you lost out to TCs, many TCs lost out to GCs too...the same way alot of GCs were ousted from their homes by Turkey so were TCs and long before any GCs were, and worse they were ousted BY GCs!!!!

You expect everything to be handed back to you but thats like TCs asking for Larnaca airport to be demolished and new homes erected for them to live in. It might be the ideal thing but is it realistic?

Im not even going to bother because you will only see things in a way that suits you. You have the wrong end of the stick but would rather stick to your theory than actually accept that a great deal of the blame lies on your side. And no matter what you say I KNOW you dont accept because everytime you claim to its ALWAYS followed up with ''but you started it when Ottomans invaded'' its just lame man! Who do you know from 500 years ago to tell you what they went through?

I would be more sympathetic towards your views since I believe that you have valid points but you try to sweep everything under the carpet to convince YOURSELF its mainly us in the wrong and then lick your wounds by bringing up the Ottomans, THEN you complain about TCs for not thinking about GCs.

Well my friend you HAVE to realise that we were not obliged to pay for Turkeys sins yet thats exactly what we did all those years ago and A LOT of people over here are still VERY MUCH angry. I accept fully that our people should consider the refugees plight more and I accept that they dont as much as they should...

TCs will not accept anything that even MIGHT end us up like the British Indians in the UK. Theres human rights and democracy there also and look how some minorities get treated...add to that our track record...thats a HUGE gamble TCs are expected to take and we will not except anything unless it guarantees our safety in our own country for ETERNITY!

When Cyprus is unified your worst nightmare will up and leave, unfortunately TCs are going to have to try to live with theirs.....

GCs main problem is with Turkey, TCs main problem is with YOU! Massive difference right there....

But anyways I dont know why I'm bothering, Im sure some Ottomans cousins, best friends, grans, mums, associate once threw your family friends, cousins, best friends daughter out of her home 400 years ago so you are clear of all blame...