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[zan]

By the way....Were Halil and Iceman the only ones that made an effort to turn up looking clean shaved and well dressed

AWWW! Come on guys..I was only joking.

[Get Real!]

Piratis you are tainting a happy thread. Give it a rest.

And you are tainting many happy threads with your sign.

[iceman]

Piratis you are tainting a happy thread. Give it a rest.

And you are tainting many happy threads with your sign.

I second that....Enough is enough Zan...please do us all a favour and remove it in your future posts.

[Niki]

The thing about discussions face to face is that facial expressions and mannerisms add hugely to someones point of view when they're explaining how they feel. This is why smileys are useful but of course can't compare with the real thing.

Much better to get together to talk about things (hey maybe QAMERSLAND was right! )

Facial expressions and mannerisms are great when dealing with a personal problem between two people or a small group at work etc but the Cyprus problem is different as it's a string of many technical problems where facial expressions don't really help.

Of course I can't begin to offer opinions about the 'Cyprus Problem' but I still don't agree! Person to person meeting gives a respect that cannot be gained out of words alone no matter what the subject. Why do Country leaders meet to discuss world issues if it could all be done through a forum?

I was pointing out the fact that the people who have met today will give each other's opinions more respect to as you can now picture each other.

[Piratis]

DT, I joined this forum long time ago. When I did I was with the (apparently wrong) impression TCs didn't really want the occupation and they were oppressed by the Turkish army. I was very disappointed when I realized that in fact the majority of TCs support the actions of the Turkish army in Cyprus. Soon I realized that people will put their interests above everything else. And lets face it, if the 18% keeps 36% of land and they are promised that will be able to keep that just for themselves, then of course they will believe partition is in their interests.

This is not just about TCs. This is about human nature. Take those that profited from the stock market scandal and they got rich on the expense of others. Do you see those people voluntarily giving back the richness they gained? They can have friends and aquitances among those that were cheated, but still that would not change a thing.

I see myself as a realist (but not as a defeatist). I know we are the weak side, but at the same time I know what are the only ways we can have a possibility to gain our land back. Unfortunately making friendships is not one of them. It can be great from every other respect, and it can not harm, but it will not give us our land back. I believe Get Real was already aware of this fact even before he proposed the meeting.

And about the "hard line" part I will agree with you. It is not as if we decided on something that suits us and only us and we keep a hard line about it. What we want is universally accepted principles like those of human rights and democracy, like they exist in all other modern democracies in the world. Keeping a "hard line" on such principles is not wrong. What is wrong is the contrary: making compromises and discounts on things such as human rights and democracy.

never said this was about solving the bloody thing either...The cyprus issue however is not just land, refugees and safeguards. Its also about knowing yourself, and in country that we want to unite, to know yourself is also to know your compatriots. In all your posts you alsways talk of re-unification...if this re-unification happened tomorrow as you want it we might as well have re-unified with Martians.

Very sensible post DT...How can one talk about reunification when one refuses to even talk to the people this reunification will be with..
We have more in common that we think we do and the only way to proper reunification will be through learning/understanding each others position & needs...This can only be achieved through contact.

First of all the only kind of people I don't like to meet are those that show disrespect towards me.
Secondly I don't even know the people that live in the next apartment block, yet we can all live together peacefully in the same country simply because we respect the laws and each other. Thats all that is needed.

Anyways, if you want to prove me wrong, then have several meetings and then come and tell us what changed. Then we will see what the changes have been and if you were right. If after the meetings you withdraw your support for the "trnc" and demands for TCs keeping disproportionately large parts of lands and power, then I will publicly apologize and admit that I was wrong about this issue, and I would be extremely glad about it.

[zan]

Piratis you are tainting a happy thread. Give it a rest.

And you are tainting many happy threads with your sign.

You want to ignore the fact we are there GR then I will not disappoint you. The picture has been removed but not without protest.

[DT.]

DT, I joined this forum long time ago. When I did I was with the (apparently wrong) impression TCs didn't really want the occupation and they were oppressed by the Turkish army. I was very disappointed when I realized that in fact the majority of TCs support the actions of the Turkish army in Cyprus. Soon I realized that people will put their interests above everything else. And lets face it, if the 18% keeps 36% of land and they are promised that will be able to keep that just for themselves, then of course they will believe partition is in their interests.

This is not just about TCs. This is about human nature. Take those that profited from the stock market scandal and they got rich on the expense of others. Do you see those people voluntarily giving back the richness they gained? They can have friends and aquitances among those that were cheated, but still that would not change a thing.

I see myself as a realist (but not as a defeatist). I know we are the weak side, but at the same time I know what are the only ways we can have a possibility to gain our land back. Unfortunately making friendships is not one of them. It can be great from every other respect, and it can not harm, but it will not give us our land back. I believe Get Real was already aware of this fact even before he proposed the meeting.

And about the "hard line" part I will agree with you. It is not as if we decided on something that suits us and only us and we keep a hard line about it. What we want is universally accepted principles like those of human rights and democracy, like they exist in all other modern democracies in the world. Keeping a "hard line" on such principles is not wrong. What is wrong is the contrary: making compromises and discounts on things such as human rights and democracy.

never said this was about solving the bloody thing either...The cyprus issue however is not just land, refugees and safeguards. Its also about knowing yourself, and in country that we want to unite, to know yourself is also to know your compatriots. In all your posts you alsways talk of re-unification...if this re-unification happened tomorrow as you want it we might as well have re-unified with Martians.

Very sensible post DT...How can one talk about reunification when one refuses to even talk to the people this reunification will be with..
We have more in common that we think we do and the only way to proper reunification will be through learning/understanding each others position & needs...This can only be achieved through contact.

First of all the only kind of people I don't like to meet are those that show disrespect towards me.
Secondly I don't even know the people that live in the next apartment block, yet we can all live together peacefully in the same country simply because we respect the laws and each other. Thats all that is needed.

Anyways, if you want to prove me wrong, then have several meetings and then come and tell us what changed. Then we will see what the changes have been and if you were right. If after the meetings you withdraw your support for the "trnc" and demands for TCs keeping disproportionately large parts of lands and power, then I will publicly apologize and admit that I was wrong about this issue, and I would be extremely glad about it.

i'll ask again then Piratis. Whats the point of being on this forum and posting on a folder called cyprus problem?

[Get Real!]

The thing about discussions face to face is that facial expressions and mannerisms add hugely to someones point of view when they're explaining how they feel. This is why smileys are useful but of course can't compare with the real thing.

Much better to get together to talk about things (hey maybe QAMERSLAND was right! )

Facial expressions and mannerisms are great when dealing with a personal problem between two people or a small group at work etc but the Cyprus problem is different as it's a string of many technical problems where facial expressions don't really help.

Of course I can't begin to offer opinions about the 'Cyprus Problem' but I still don't agree! Person to person meeting gives a respect that cannot be gained out of words alone no matter what the subject. Why do Country leaders meet to discuss world issues if it could all be done through a forum?

I think they would've been more effective if they used a dedicated forum because then all the dirty laundry would be out in the open as it should. The Cyprus problem is now too complicated to be solved by an hour of formalities each month or whatever the frequency is.

I was pointing out the fact that the people who have met today will give each other's opinions more respect to as you can now picture each other.

Yeah, I can see Hallil dismissing Piratis' gripe and switching over to the water shortage!

[iceman]

DT, I joined this forum long time ago. When I did I was with the (apparently wrong) impression TCs didn't really want the occupation and they were oppressed by the Turkish army. I was very disappointed when I realized that in fact the majority of TCs support the actions of the Turkish army in Cyprus. Soon I realized that people will put their interests above everything else. And lets face it, if the 18% keeps 36% of land and they are promised that will be able to keep that just for themselves, then of course they will believe partition is in their interests.

This is not just about TCs. This is about human nature. Take those that profited from the stock market scandal and they got rich on the expense of others. Do you see those people voluntarily giving back the richness they gained? They can have friends and aquitances among those that were cheated, but still that would not change a thing.

I see myself as a realist (but not as a defeatist). I know we are the weak side, but at the same time I know what are the only ways we can have a possibility to gain our land back. Unfortunately making friendships is not one of them. It can be great from every other respect, and it can not harm, but it will not give us our land back. I believe Get Real was already aware of this fact even before he proposed the meeting.

And about the "hard line" part I will agree with you. It is not as if we decided on something that suits us and only us and we keep a hard line about it. What we want is universally accepted principles like those of human rights and democracy, like they exist in all other modern democracies in the world. Keeping a "hard line" on such principles is not wrong. What is wrong is the contrary: making compromises and discounts on things such as human rights and democracy.

never said this was about solving the bloody thing either...The cyprus issue however is not just land, refugees and safeguards. Its also about knowing yourself, and in country that we want to unite, to know yourself is also to know your compatriots. In all your posts you alsways talk of re-unification...if this re-unification happened tomorrow as you want it we might as well have re-unified with Martians.

Very sensible post DT...How can one talk about reunification when one refuses to even talk to the people this reunification will be with..
We have more in common that we think we do and the only way to proper reunification will be through learning/understanding each others position & needs...This can only be achieved through contact.

First of all the only kind of people I don't like to meet are those that show disrespect towards me.
Secondly I don't even know the people that live in the next apartment block, yet we can all live together peacefully in the same country simply because we respect the laws and each other. Thats all that is needed.

Anyways, if you want to prove me wrong, then have several meetings and then come and tell us what changed. Then we will see what the changes have been and if you were right. If after the meetings you withdraw your support for the "trnc" and demands for TCs keeping disproportionately large parts of lands and power, then I will publicly apologize and admit that I was wrong about this issue, and I would be extremely glad about it.

I am one of those old fashion people that believe respect is not given but only earned..
Personally i have a different positive opinion about DT & Get Real now that i met them,which i did not have yesterday..
I dont know my neighbours either but i dont have a dispute with them.If i did,that would be a very good reason for getting to know them.
How do you know what i support or dont support?
With this attitude you are no different than VP which you accuse of being a partitionist..

[Piratis]

i'll ask again then Piratis. Whats the point of being on this forum and posting on a folder called cyprus problem?

I post much less now than I used to. Usually I post when somebody writes something grossly inaccurate or false and I can't keep myself from replying to correct him.

After some point I realized that there is no possibility for an agreed solution that would truly unify our island. I hope I am wrong about this but I doubt.