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[Piratis]

DT, I joined this forum long time ago. When I did I was with the (apparently wrong) impression TCs didn't really want the occupation and they were oppressed by the Turkish army. I was very disappointed when I realized that in fact the majority of TCs support the actions of the Turkish army in Cyprus. Soon I realized that people will put their interests above everything else. And lets face it, if the 18% keeps 36% of land and they are promised that will be able to keep that just for themselves, then of course they will believe partition is in their interests.

This is not just about TCs. This is about human nature. Take those that profited from the stock market scandal and they got rich on the expense of others. Do you see those people voluntarily giving back the richness they gained? They can have friends and aquitances among those that were cheated, but still that would not change a thing.

I see myself as a realist (but not as a defeatist). I know we are the weak side, but at the same time I know what are the only ways we can have a possibility to gain our land back. Unfortunately making friendships is not one of them. It can be great from every other respect, and it can not harm, but it will not give us our land back. I believe Get Real was already aware of this fact even before he proposed the meeting.

And about the "hard line" part I will agree with you. It is not as if we decided on something that suits us and only us and we keep a hard line about it. What we want is universally accepted principles like those of human rights and democracy, like they exist in all other modern democracies in the world. Keeping a "hard line" on such principles is not wrong. What is wrong is the contrary: making compromises and discounts on things such as human rights and democracy.

[DT.]

I will ignore Piratis on this thread so as not to spoil the party but.... come on guys....Post the real photos. Those are just some guys you plucked off the street.




Why is it that people never look as you imagined them to be. I am glad that you had a great time and are planning to do it again. I ahd planned to meet mrfromng today but we BOTH had to cancell for different reasons. His is a much happier reason than mine and I hope he is enjoying his visiters.

you mean you didn't expect me to be so dashing?

Now I know who you are How is Spider man

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/251 ... =nm0000547

I still don't know how to save pictures with my Mac

crap...oh well, beard gone.

[Niki]

The thing about discussions face to face is that facial expressions and mannerisms add hugely to someones point of view when they're explaining how they feel. This is why smileys are useful but of course can't compare with the real thing.

Much better to get together to talk about things (hey maybe QAMERSLAND was right! )

[halil]

İ don't care what's the others thinks.i know my rights ...... i have respect to others..... rest of it bullshit !!!!!!

İ would take your attention to water problem. forget about the cracks.......

DROP BY DROP İT DİSAPPEARS !!!!!!!!!!!!

Our water is precious and scarce.for our kids and our future save the water.take some small changes in your life how we use our water.Taking one simple step each day to save water .it all begins with us !
SAVE WATER WİTH MAİNTENANCE !!!!
Grab a wrench and fix your leaky taps.....
Check the automatic shutoff valve on your water thank works properly.to prevent overflows and save water.
İnstall a low-flow showerhead.they might be expensive but we can save water......we can save a family of 4 more than 7 tones of ware a month.......
İnstall an aerator on your water tap.this water saving device will help save tons of water a month.

SAVE WATER İNDOORS !!!!
Limit your shower time.Every 5 munites in the shower uses over 1 ton of water a month.
(Bath together....... haaa haaaa u like it .......may be our population will increased too )
Run your washing machine and dishwaser only when full or match the water level to the load size.We can save nearly 4 tons of water a month.
Turn off the water while u brush your teeth.A family of 4 will save over 3 tons of water a month.
Turning off the tap while u shave u will save almost 1600 liters of water a month.
Get the shower water in a bucket as it warms.u can use it to flush toilets or water plants.
Wash your vatables in a basin or bucket rather than using running water.

SAVE WATER OUTDOORS !!!!
Use a broom instead of a hose to clean your driveway or sidewalk.u can save over 300 liters of water every time.
Use a hose nozzle or turn off the wter while u wash your car.u can save more than 370 liters per wash.
Water trees,shrubs and flowers at the root and less frequently to create a healthier landscapes.
Water your garden in the early morning.eveporation is less when the temperatures are low.that time ground is cooler and winds are lighter.

[DT.]

DT, I joined this forum long time ago. When I did I was with the (apparently wrong) impression TCs didn't really want the occupation and they were oppressed by the Turkish army. I was very disappointed when I realized that in fact the majority of TCs support the actions of the Turkish army in Cyprus. Soon I realized that people will put their interests above everything else. And lets face it, if the 18% keeps 36% of land and they are promised that will be able to keep that just for themselves, then of course they will believe partition is in their interests.

This is not just about TCs. This is about human nature. Take those that profited from the stock market scandal and they got rich on the expense of others. Do you see those people voluntarily giving back the richness they gained? They can have friends and aquitances among those that were cheated, but still that would not change a thing.

I see myself as a realist (but not as a defeatist). I know we are the weak side, but at the same time I know what are the only ways we can have a possibility to gain our land back. Unfortunately making friendships is not one of them. It can be great from every other respect, and it can not harm, but it will not give us our land back. I believe Get Real was already aware of this fact even before he proposed the meeting.

And about the "hard line" part I will agree with you. It is not as if we decided on something that suits us and only us and we keep a hard line about it. What we want is universally accepted principles like those of human rights and democracy, like they exist in all other modern democracies in the world. Keeping a "hard line" on such principles is not wrong. What is wrong is the contrary: making compromises and discounts on things such as human rights and democracy.

never said this was about solving the bloody thing either...The cyprus issue however is not just land, refugees and safeguards. Its also about knowing yourself, and in country that we want to unite, to know yourself is also to know your compatriots. In all your posts you alsways talk of re-unification...if this re-unification happened tomorrow as you want it we might as well have re-unified with Martians.

[Get Real!]

The thing about discussions face to face is that facial expressions and mannerisms add hugely to someones point of view when they're explaining how they feel. This is why smileys are useful but of course can't compare with the real thing.

Much better to get together to talk about things (hey maybe QAMERSLAND was right! )

Facial expressions and mannerisms are great when dealing with a personal problem between two people or a small group at work etc but the Cyprus problem is different as it's a string of many technical problems where facial expressions don't really help.

[zan]

When will you guys get it into your heads that it is not the guys that are in that picture, and thousands more like them that are the problem. Piratis you are tainting a happy thread. Give it a rest.

[zan]

By the way....Were Halil and Iceman the only ones that made an effort to turn up looking clean shaved and well dressed

[boulio]

Thats Bananiot in the picture ive seen his picture in the forum at the t/c and g/c meetings.So i can say that is for sure Bananiot.

[iceman]

DT, I joined this forum long time ago. When I did I was with the (apparently wrong) impression TCs didn't really want the occupation and they were oppressed by the Turkish army. I was very disappointed when I realized that in fact the majority of TCs support the actions of the Turkish army in Cyprus. Soon I realized that people will put their interests above everything else. And lets face it, if the 18% keeps 36% of land and they are promised that will be able to keep that just for themselves, then of course they will believe partition is in their interests.

This is not just about TCs. This is about human nature. Take those that profited from the stock market scandal and they got rich on the expense of others. Do you see those people voluntarily giving back the richness they gained? They can have friends and aquitances among those that were cheated, but still that would not change a thing.

I see myself as a realist (but not as a defeatist). I know we are the weak side, but at the same time I know what are the only ways we can have a possibility to gain our land back. Unfortunately making friendships is not one of them. It can be great from every other respect, and it can not harm, but it will not give us our land back. I believe Get Real was already aware of this fact even before he proposed the meeting.

And about the "hard line" part I will agree with you. It is not as if we decided on something that suits us and only us and we keep a hard line about it. What we want is universally accepted principles like those of human rights and democracy, like they exist in all other modern democracies in the world. Keeping a "hard line" on such principles is not wrong. What is wrong is the contrary: making compromises and discounts on things such as human rights and democracy.

never said this was about solving the bloody thing either...The cyprus issue however is not just land, refugees and safeguards. Its also about knowing yourself, and in country that we want to unite, to know yourself is also to know your compatriots. In all your posts you alsways talk of re-unification...if this re-unification happened tomorrow as you want it we might as well have re-unified with Martians.

Very sensible post DT...How can one talk about reunification when one refuses to even talk to the people this reunification will be with..
We have more in common that we think we do and the only way to proper reunification will be through learning/understanding each others position & needs...This can only be achieved through contact.