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[Viewpoint]

GCs do not really desire a compromised solution they want everything hteir own way because they are comfortbale with fact that they represent the numerical majority which makes us uneasy due to their past track record of dealing with equality and human rights.

In the past I said that I would even consider partition if you accepted an 18%-82% split. You did not. This revealed beyond any doubt that the only thing that you want is to use the big guns of Turkey to gain on our loss. Everything else are lame excuses.

I think you have forgotten my vew that I would accept 18% on the understanding that all land claims are settled by an independent court and that we agree that no Gcs will be allowed any rights or claims within the 18% eg like any other country.

Even with BBF I have clearly stated that a level playing field shoudl be achieved allowing everyone to decide where they wish to settle and property will be returned where possible, why do you not register this issue our main concern is not land but political equality where we not be pushed to one side ever again and we have a say in our own future. We do not want to be ruled purely by GCs why do you have people have a problem with this and is it becuase you have other plans in store for us?

[Bananiot]

My God Lena, do I look like a teacher too? It is bad enough (in the eyes of kids) being one!

Like everybody else I also had a good time despite the terrible (westernised) food. I'd much rather be at Bizim Ahir eating kkele from Kemal's oven. As soon as I stepped into the cafe I walked straight away to the group of forum people and Halil said to me "but, I know you". I took a long look at him and said to him "refresh my memeory". He told me that we came across each other at Kaplica (Davlos) last year! Such memory is normally a prerogative of camels but then his small, sparkling eyes point out to a highly intelligent man who obviously has a memory stick of many megabytes.

I would also like to say that I agree (as usually) with Birkibrisli, but I also accept that meetings such as these will not solve the Cyprus issue. It would be childish to expect different. Yet, if we were to built a pyramid with solution at its tip, meetings like ours will form the basis of the pyramid. I also understand the general mistrust (expressed in this forum too) because of the criminal behaviour of certain members of each community over a number of years, but this is something we need to live with and try to minimise or even eradicate. On the contrary, the bigots from both communities will do anything to spoil the broth in order to prolong the partition and eventually make it permanent. Piratis's partition also stinks, by the way, like any form of partition.

[miltiades]

turkishcypriot wrote :
"""TCs will not accept anything that even MIGHT end us up like the British Indians in the UK. Theres human rights and democracy there also and look how some minorities get treated...add to that our track record...thats a HUGE gamble TCs are expected to take and we will not except anything unless it guarantees our safety in our own country for ETERNITY!

I agree with most of your sentiments and you are one of the most respected members on the forum , however let me disagree with your perception of the Indians of the UK who are treated a billion percent better that they were treated by their own kind in India. Here in the UK they are not classed as untouchables neither are they required to kiss the hand of their employer as they are required to do in India . People refer to India as the worlds largest democracy , that is true but it is also the worlds largest corrupt and racist society. The Indians in the UK have never had it so good.

[LENA]

GCs main problem is with Turkey, TCs main problem is with YOU! Massive difference right there....

So true T_C....

Bananoit...I am a teacher and is not bad not for me or to children!! But you do look like my teacher so much!!!

[Get Real!]

We do not want to be ruled purely by GCs why do you have people have a problem with this and is it becuase you have other plans in store for us?

What if we were to promise you exactly the same treatment Cypriots received from the Ottomans for 320 years? Would that entice you to accept being ruled by the GC's?

[Piratis]

Piratis mate back in the day GCs were OK when it was them forcing TCs out of their homes while looting them etc...and that was something YOU STARTED FIRST

How did we start it first? You are the ones that came to this island uninvited, enslaved us and oppressed us for centuries. If you didn't do that, then there would be a Cyprus Problem today.
Our only fault is that at some point we tried to take the decisions for our own island, and as the great majority of this island we had every right to do so. The conflict started because you again tried to stop us from exercising our rights.

About your other comments see my reply to VP.

Your problem Piratis is that you don’t trust them…and you don’t trust them because they are TC…why is that Piratis? I s it because the way you grow up?

How did you grow up? I grew up to respect everybody and also demand respect from everybody and fight for my rights. Do you see anything wrong with that? If it was Americans, Chinese, Brazilians or Martians occupying my country I would react in the same exact way. And if other GCs disrespect me or violate my rights be sure I react in the exact same way as well.

I think you have forgotten my view that I would accept 18% on the understanding that all land claims are settled by an independent court and that we agree that no Gcs will be allowed any rights or claims within the 18% eg like any other country.

Your position is contradictory. You first say you would accept 18% if GCs would not have any claims in that 18%, and at the same time you talk about an independent court that will settle the land claims.

So, 18% yours, 82% ours, no claims whatsoever. The percentage of coast line should also be like that. Agreed?
With my proposal I prove that all of your claims that we want to rule TCs and make Cyprus a pure Hellenic state etc are totally false.
So, do we agree 18%-82%, or you will prove for once more what I have always said that what you want is to simply gain on our loss by using the big guns of Turkey?

[Viewpoint]

We do not want to be ruled purely by GCs why do you have people have a problem with this and is it becuase you have other plans in store for us?

What if we were to promise you exactly the same treatment Cypriots received from the Ottomans for 320 years? Would that entice you to accept being ruled by the GC's?

My community and I are not Ottomans but your father discriminated and reduced my my father into a second class citizen only 40 years ago. With this track record I will not accept you being the ruling British and me being the Indian living in the UK.

[Viewpoint]

turkishcypriot wrote :
"""TCs will not accept anything that even MIGHT end us up like the British Indians in the UK. Theres human rights and democracy there also and look how some minorities get treated...add to that our track record...thats a HUGE gamble TCs are expected to take and we will not except anything unless it guarantees our safety in our own country for ETERNITY!

I agree with most of your sentiments and you are one of the most respected members on the forum , however let me disagree with your perception of the Indians of the UK who are treated a billion percent better that they were treated by their own kind in India. Here in the UK they are not classed as untouchables neither are they required to kiss the hand of their employer as they are required to do in India . People refer to India as the worlds largest democracy , that is true but it is also the worlds largest corrupt and racist society. The Indians in the UK have never had it so good.

Ask the Indians how they are treated you cannot understand the problems they face and TCs will never be put in the same position we are on a par with the Brits not the Indians who live in the UK.

[T_C]

turkishcypriot wrote :
"""TCs will not accept anything that even MIGHT end us up like the British Indians in the UK. Theres human rights and democracy there also and look how some minorities get treated...add to that our track record...thats a HUGE gamble TCs are expected to take and we will not except anything unless it guarantees our safety in our own country for ETERNITY!

I agree with most of your sentiments and you are one of the most respected members on the forum , however let me disagree with your perception of the Indians of the UK who are treated a billion percent better that they were treated by their own kind in India. Here in the UK they are not classed as untouchables neither are they required to kiss the hand of their employer as they are required to do in India . People refer to India as the worlds largest democracy , that is true but it is also the worlds largest corrupt and racist society. The Indians in the UK have never had it so good.

Thanks miltiades, I may be wrong about Indians but I just used that as an example as to what the TCs are frightened of when it comes to living with GCs.

The truth is the dust has NEVER settled and is still very much in the air on both parts of the island. This alone is enough to make people feel uneasy...

I think GCs have moved on alot more than what TCs have, but I dont think some of the GCs understand, perhaps because they themselves have moved on and the only outstanding issue is land...I dont know I could be wrong.

People need to realise that the passion with which they defend what happened to the refugees is the same passion in which TCs argue about what happened to them in the hands of EOKA. Same pain, same frustration yet some of these people cant understand eachother. I dont get it....

[Piratis]

turkish_cypriot, some TCs have not moved on because it doesn't suit them to move on.
I am still waiting for VP to clearly answer to my question, but I can tell you from now that the majority of TCs would not accept an 18%-82% partition. Why is that? In that case they wouldn't have to trust us, live with us or even see us. So why the would not accept it? The answer is simple: Because they believe they won the war and for this they have to gain land on our loss. Thats it. everything else is just lame excuses to cover this simple truth.